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When's the last time a Tea Partier pulled a Plaxico Burress at a rally?
I don't fear them: most of them are just blowhards - psychotic Barney Fifes, if you will, who would crumble if challenged. Even if it did come to violence, they'd probably kill more of their own ranks than anyone else.
I guess we'll just have to wait until tomorrow to see what the true nature of Wisconsin is - and a few days after that to see what sort of nonsense the Republicans pull when it comes to election fraud.
Get back to me when you a guy brandishing a weapon and talking about shooting liberals in the head. Then you'll have something. Until then I will stick my original statement:
"I don't understand the freakout over RESPONSIBLE open carry."
@3, What? Shot themselves in the thigh?
@8, There's something clearly political about wearing guns to a rally, as in "advocating the overthrow of the government."
I can't help comparing the treatment of left-wing protesters with that of right-wing protesters. E.g. Kent State University, May 4, 1970 -- National Guardsmen, feeling threatened by completely unarmed antiwar demonstrators, open fire, killing participants and bystanders alike. Now, right-wingers rally, brandishing and/or displaying weapons, with violent rhetoric against the government and/or its elected leaders, and this is just free speech? WTF?
Somebody tell me why I shouldn't think that fascism is just around the corner.
One of the best lectures I ever had in law school was about how to present evidence at trial. The professor addressed us as if we were a jury in a murder trial, then suddenly whipped out a pistol with an evidence tag on it from behind the podium and started gesturing around with it. The sharp intake of breath from two hundred people was remarkable. "Right, you see what you all did there? How you reacted? Most people are very, very uncomfortable around guns. You need to take care in how you present it to the jury, don't just spring it on them."
It's the same on the street. It may be your right to open carry. Just as it's your right to wear offensive clothing or shout inanities about the 2nd amendment. But like all public fashion statements open carry is done with an audience in mind. "Look, I'm bravely exercising my precious and allegedly threatened rights!" or "I'm a MAN! See? See? Look how big my gun is!" But the majority of the audience doesn't like guns, is very uncomfortable around them, and don't want to see them. It's provoking people for no real reason, and that's called being a Troll In Real Life.
There's a time and a place for everything. You want to wear it at an NRA rally? Fine. After a hurricane with the power out and roving bands of looters? Been there. Out hiking in the backwoods? Perfect. At a heated public rally over a contentious issue? On the bus? At a county fair filled with families? This is where your common sense should be tingling. Life is about making these sorts of intuitive decisions about what is appropriate where and when.
I don't really care if people want to carry, nobody can really stop you. Just get a concealed carry permit. Because nobody else wants to see your gun.
Why don't you ask Gabrielle Giffords about the last time a tea partier pulled a gun at a rally? Hopefully your compatriot didn't blow out the part of her brain related to memory.
@14 & @15, I agree that Open Carry is as much about making a statement as it is personal protection, if not more, however I don't see Free Speech as threatening. I'd also say that I don't see their actions as threats to overthrow the government via violence, but instead statements on the 2nd. As long as they are doing it legally and responsibly, I have no problem with it. Then again, I have no problem with guns in general. Growing up in S. Alabama and then joining the Infantry, I've pretty much spent my whole life around them. *shrug*
And Jared Lee Loughner was a insane conspiracy theorist, not a Tea Partier. If you have some evidence to the contrary, I'm sure there are a lot of people on the left that would love to see it.
Is slaughtering 900,000 babies a year "genocide"?
How many Jews did Hitler average killing a year?
Are US Liberals as bad as Hitler?
You have to wear your penis on your belt to prove you have one. Nice.
right wingers who are more interested in demagoguery than history like to claim the Nazis were a bunch of left-wingers because they had 'socialist' in their name. (By the same logic, North Korea must be a democracy. It's in their name, after all!)
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126…
Witnesses describe mobs, some people claim racially-charged attacks
By Jay Sorgi and the WTMJ News Team
CREATED 5:21 AM - UPDATED: 9:32 AM
WEST ALLIS - Witnesses tell Newsradio 620 WTMJ and TODAY'S TMJ4 of a mob of young people attacking innocent fair-goers at the end of the opening night of State Fair, with some callers claiming a racially-charged scene.
Milwaukee Police confirmed there were assaults outside the fair.
Witnesses' accounts claim everything from dozens to hundreds of young black people beating white people as they left State Fair Thursday night.
Authorities have not given official estimates of the number of people involved in the attacks.
"It looked like they were just going after white guys, white people," said Norb Roffers of Wind Lake in an interview with Newsradio 620 WTMJ. He left the State Fair Entrance near the corner of South 84th Street and West Schlinger Avenue in West Allis.
"They were attacking everybody for no reason whatsoever."
"It was 100% racial," claimed Eric, an Iraq war veteran from St. Francis who says young people beat on his car.
"I had a black couple on my right side, and these black kids were running in between all the cars, and they were pounding on my doors and trying to open up doors on my car, and they didn't do one thing to this black couple that was in this car next to us. They just kept walking right past their car. They were looking in everybody's windshield as they were running by, seeing who was white and who was black. Guarantee it."
Eric, a war veteran, said that the scene he saw Thursday outside State Fair compares to what he saw in combat.
"That rated right up there with it. When I saw the amount of kids coming down the road, all I kept thinking was, 'There's not enough cops to handle this.' There's no way. It would have taken the National Guard to control the number of kids that were coming off the road. They were knocking people off their motorcycles."
Another witness, who asked to remain anonymous, said, "it was like a scene you needed the National Guard to control."
"To me, it looked like a scene out of a movie," claimed the anonymous witness.
"I have not seen anything like this in my life. It was a huge mob, and it was a fight that maybe lasted one to two minutes."
Roffers claimed that as he left the state fair with his wife, crowds near that entrance were large, and someone in that crowd .
"As we got closer to the street, we looked up the road, and we saw a quite a bit of commotion going on and there was a guy laying in the road, and nobody was even laying there. He wasn't even moving. Finally a car pulled up. They stopped right next to the guy, and it looked like someone was going to help him. We were kind of stuck, because we couldn't cross. Traffic was going through. Young black men running around, beating on people, and we were like 'Let's get the heck out of here.' The light turned, and I got attacked from behind. I just got hit in the back of the head real hard. I'm like, 'What the heck is going on here?' I heard my bell ring."
Roffers further described what witnesses said happened to the man who was lying in the street.
"People were saying he was on a bike. They tore him off his bike and beat on him. We were walking to the west on Schlinger. I was watching behind me a lot more diligently, making sure there wasn't anybody coming to get us anymore."
One person claimed that someone was knocked off a motorcycle.
TODAY'S TMJ4 video shows West Allis police handcuffing at least one person, but they won't say how many people they took into custody.
Some witnesses described attacks on the State Fair Grounds as well.
Milwaukee Police said that their officers were sent to State Fair Park for "complaints of battery, fighting and property damage due to a large, unruly crowd."
A police sergeant told TODAY'S TMJ4's Melissa McCrady that the number of calls describing injuries are still coming in, so they could not give an accurate number of people who were injured.
That sergeant explained that some injuries were serious, and local hospitals were attending to the injured.
As of early Friday morning, Milwaukee Police said they had no one in custody.
One woman told police that she was sitting in her car with a window down when some teenagers reached through her window and started attacking her.
"I think once we get all the info in it'll be just like that, like what happened in Riverwest," said the police sergeant.
West Allis Police ask you to call them at 414-302-8000 if you have any information.
Eric: "I feared for my life"
Eric, who asked Newsradio 620 WTMJ not to use his last name, talked about the incidents that happened as he, his wife and a neighbor left the fair Thursday.
"We exited at the Schlinger and 84th exit, and we walked south about a block, and then went up and got our car, came back up and around down Schlinger. When we made a left hand turn, we were stopped in traffic. I looked toward the bridge, right before you get on the freeway, and all I saw was a road full of black kids, jumping over people's cars, jumping on people's hoods, running over the top of them."
Eric then claimed that he saw hundreds of young black people coming down a sidewalk.
"I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face."
Then, Eric talked about trying to get out of the car to help the victim.
"My wife pulled me back in because she didn't want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn't see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage."
Eric claimed that the victim in that beating was by himself, and that there was a split of white people on one sidewalk and black people on the other.
"There was nobody else around to help him. There were no other white people, period, on that side of the street. They were going in the opposite direction because, those people who were coming out of the fair that saw these people coming, they either went back into the fair or took off running south on 84th Street."
Eric expressed anger at the State Fair Police for what he considered a lack of response.
"The thing that irritated me, the State Fair Police, the State Police, were down by the Pettit entrance to get in there," said Eric. "There was probably 5 or 6 officers down there. That's where all these kids came from. They came out of the Midway, across the front of the Pettit. They were still filing out of there. The State Fair Police, they knew this was going on. They knew these kids were beating these guys in between that exit and Schlinger at the next gate."
"They were stopping traffic, and I said 'What in the hell,' excuse my language, 'what are you guys doing directing traffic when there are 300, 400 black kids up the road beating the hell out of everybody, pushing people off of motorcycles?' I was livid. I could not believe they were directing traffic."
Fair worker: attacks not limited to outside fairgrounds
A witness told WTMJ that as he worked in a kiosk at the State Fair Midway, he saw what he described as "a Riverwest type mob. Easily between 50 - 100 kids all under 18 and all African American. They were running around knocking people over (young kids and adults), looting the Midway games (stealing the prizes), starting fights."
The witness, who asked not to be identified, couldn't say for certain if only white people were being attacked.
"It was just complete chaos. There were police on horses, lots of security guards, and EMT's on the scene. They never got control of the area."
A State Fair spokeswoman said that there were arrests made involving the incidents on the grounds.
He said that as the violence happened, he was "getting ready to grab my cash register and run."
"Not to mention this type of behavior started around 7pm and forced me to close down my stand at 9pm. It scared the paying customers out of the midway."
The man said hoping to bring family on Friday, but has decided not to.
"I was planning on bringing my two kids to the fair tonight. I won't be. We'll go to the zoo instead."
Woman: Teenagers in mob didn't attend rap concert
One woman who asked not to be identified tells us that contrary to some belief, the young people involved in the mob did not go to the rap concert that night.
"The mob of black teenagers involved in the beatings and damage outside of State Fair last night were not there for the MC Hammer concert," said the woman.
"I attended that concert with three of my friends last night and the crowd was mostly white and adult (as are my friends and I). Any kids there seemed to be with parents."
She described what she saw as she left the fair.
"As we came through the exit we saw a white boy lying in the street, in the fetal position right by the traffic light, and coming towards us was tons and tons and black teens – there had to have been over a hundred – in the middle of 84th Street and on the sidewalk headed south," she said.
"Some who stopped to kick or punch him - or in the case of one girl drop kick him in the head - as they walked past. My friends and I started towards him to help him up and a black girl walked past telling us 'ya’ll gonna get your ***** kicked' repeatedly. As my friend stood in front of the boy trying to get him up one of the teens picked up a traffic cone, hit her in the back of the head and ran off. A car stopped, a white woman got out to try and help. Teens jumped onto the hood of the car and ran over it. She just kept saying 'What is wrong with you!?' "
The witness also told us that not every African-American teenager outside the fair grounds acted violent.
"We continued to move towards the parking lot, through even more black teenagers. Thankfully this part of the crowd was not violent."
Roffers: "What in the hell's going on there?"
Roffers described his emotions and reactions to the attacks outside the park.
"I turned around and looked, there was this black kid standing there laughing, thinking it's funny. My wife's like, 'Let's get out of here.' It's one of those things, you don't expect it. Your reaction to it is, first of all, quite surprised, then you get so angry, it's like, 'What in the hell's going on there? Why are these guys acting like such hoodlums? What are they picking on anybody for?' We were just like cattle being herded out of the park, and they were picking and choosing who they wanted to beat on."
He said his injuries were limited to a headache.
Roffers said the attack wouldn't stop him from attending the State Fair.
"We will be going back," said Roffers.
"It's a family event for us. We get together with our family and we do stuff at the park to enjoy the fair. My biggest concern is that the State Fair Park Police and West Allis get their heads out of their butts and figure out how to do some security over there. This isn't the first year State Fair has been going on. They should know what the heck they've got to do and where they've got to have people in place by now."
He said that the fear spread beyond those who he believed were the target.
"There were a lot of people scared," claimed Roffers.
"There were even some young black girls. They were screaming. They were running across the road. This one girl was like, 'I don't know how I'm going to get out of here. I'm all by myself.' My wife heard her saying that. She said, 'Walk with us. Stay with us and you'll be OK.' We told her we were going down the street. If she needed any assistance, we were just going down to our car. She needed to go quite a way."
"There was this terror going on when you leave the place, you just wonder. Luckily, all the violence that was happening stayed right close by the park entrance. As we got a block away from the park, that's when the cops started showing up."
He said the lack of police and security presence will bring about his complaint up the various channels of State Fair and local police.
"They should be able to provide safety and traffic control," said Roffers. "I've never worried about it before."
He said he would give a written complaint to the State Fair and put in a call to West Allis Police, but that's not all.
"I will be contacting the State Fair Park Board and I'm going to chew on their butts a little bit about what happened."
State Fair spokeswoman: "Unfortunate situation, hopefully an isolated situation."
State Fair Director of Marketing and Communication Kathleen O'Leary told Newsradio 620 WTMJ's "Wisconsin's Morning News" that the incidents should not stop people from coming to the fair.
"Certainly, don't change your plans," said O'Leary. "Please understand that this is an unfortunate situation, hopefully an isolated situation."
Though witnesses had reported incidents inside the fair, she said the problems were mainly outside the fairgrounds.
"Not so much inside," claimed O'Leary.
"We had complete control inside of what was happening inside of our gates. It's what what spread into the neighborhoods."
O'Leary also pointed out that the fair has "taken measures already with the bag checks, when you come into the fair," but will increase authorities' presence for the remaining days at the fair.
"We will be taking severe measures, significant measures. We are in task force already, circling back around, doing everything that we can to make sure the experience is enjoyable and that the safety is insured," said O'Leary.
"They see the yellow security shirts. We have mounted police. We have bike police. We have our patrolling police. We have undercover police. That's all because that's exactly what we want. We want the safety measures intact at every turn."
usually in response to monotheism being blamed for violence.
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You're next. Better hook up with the jerk wearing his penis in a holster....y'all will make a pretty pair.
I see that you are impotent in the face of actual facts and can only make the lamest "snark" imaginable! Ha ha ha ha Rujax is IMPOTENT!!!
BTW, that's sarcasm people.
Oh. You don't "carry" in the US. Unless it's your little Walther. Cute name, Walther.
As to the name, it's German, and old. First subcompact semi-auto ever actually. Walther is short for it's designer Carl Walther Waffenfabrik, and the PPK stands for Polizeipistole Kriminalmodell (Police Pistol Detective Model).
Great little pistol.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/1…
Violence at State Fair forces questions about race
Aug. 6, 2011
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"Large groups of young African-Americans engaged in widespread fighting at the fair midway, and then attacked white fairgoers as they headed home for the night. More than 30 were arrested, and seven officers were injured.
Would that many violent people coincidentally show up at one place at the same time, or are mobs like this forming with the help of social networking sites? We asked that question about the melee at Mayfair in January, and now we're left to wonder again. These incidents are not isolated if they keep happening.
The black kids at the fair started by beating up each other, police said, and at closing time they turned that rage on whites outside the gates. This newspaper normally avoids mentioning the race of people involved in crime, unless it's part of a description to help apprehend someone at large.
But this incident, along with the looting and racially motivated beatings in Riverwest last month, has forced the issue. Similar wilding forced the Greek festival to move out of its northwest side neighborhood, the late Riversplash was hobbled by violence, and Summerfest this year had trouble at a hip-hop show.
Forget about blaming society, though I suspect plenty of these kids grew up with poverty, violence, unsafe neighborhoods, lousy parents or other challenges. The responsibility for this thuggery lies with the perpetrators. And they may not realize that the damage they're causing may be inflicted mostly on them in the long run as doors close and attitudes harden."
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OH! No OPEN carry! Well that's DIFFERENT then isn't it? You got that thing in Church...at your kid's SCHOOL? PTA meetings? A bar?????
You still carry a GUN. A weapon. A killing machine. If you're not a Police Officer. You don't need one.
So that "thing" under your arm...on your hip. You feel that extra "extra" carrying something lethal that no one can see? Like a little fucking kid...oooooo I got a secret....wanna seeeee???
Jesussssssssss, man...use it on the range.
Paranoid motherfucker.
I carry concealed b/c it is no ones business but my own if I am carrying or not. Not to mention I am not one to cause a scene and Open Carry IMO is more about making a statement than personal protection.
As to why I carry, yeah, it is nice to know that if all hell breaks loose I am not completely at the mercy of criminals.
WATCH IT: Citizen Stops Shooting Suspect
A witness to a shooting in Skyway captured a suspect, handcuffed him and made him sit on the ground until deputies arrived.
Posted: 10:22 am PDT August 7, 2011
SKYWAY, Wash. -- A witness to a shooting in Skyway captured a suspect, handcuffed him and made him sit on the ground until deputies arrived on Saturday night, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported.The King County Sheriff's Office said there was an argument between two men over a drug deal. Both were carrying guns."One guy was apparently quicker on the draw because the other guy got shot," said Sgt. John Urquhart of the Sheriff's Office.The shooting was in the parking lot of a U.S. Bank at South 126th Street and 76th Avenue South.Urquhart said it was witnessed by a man who was there to use the ATM. He, too, had a gun -- and a pair of handcuffs."When we got here, the shooter was searched, in handcuffs and sitting down on the curb," Urquhart said.The passerby told investigators he did not fire his gun. It's not clear how he was able to take the man into custody."This guy did a great job but we don't recommend doing that. You certainly do so at your own risk," said Urquhart.The suspect in custody is 27 years old.The victim was taken to Harborview in stable condition.Investigators hope the bank's surveillance camera recorded what happened.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/28792794/deta…
You don't see speech you agree with frightening. I guarantee that you'd find it frightening if I a dude wearing blue jeans halfway down his ass and an oversized jersey decided to open carry while demanding that his minority get to dictate the policy of the entire nation or else.
So impressive.
Also, just to clarify that is not analogous to what the guy pictured was doing, unless you have evidence to the contrary..? B/c to me it looks like he is just standing there. Notice above where I pointed out the picture isn't even from the same rally that the quotes in the blog post come from.
I'll believe in your passionate fear of verbal imagery when you attack your fellow political travellers as well for intemperate speech.
I hear the left saying that those who think just maybe paying our bills is, ya know, a good idea are terrorists, wanting to destroy the country and all sorts of other paranoic nonsense. From the left, do we get a single caveat, a bare request to keep the discourse political? Not bloody likely.
So I won't hold my breath on the left having any shred of intellectual honesty, particularly blowhard hacks like Goldstein.
(Here's a free tip, Goldstein. If you want to write convincing political diatribes, try to stay within the bounds of reality. Open lies only work with folks like Original Andrew and Rujax and the rest of the usual suspects here. Those who understand that truth has some value in the world see you as what you are, a moron.)
...get your fucking head out of your ass. The air is better.
...speaking of hacks and blowhards...@45 was a fine specimen.
That's sad.
The guy is at a Tea Party rally, right? And he's far from the only person to combine "statement making open carry" (what's the statement? Something about shooting people and politics...) at these Teabag events.
It's sort of like those stickers on houses that say "Protected by Smith and Wesson." From what I've seen, those stickers also say "There is a trove of valuable weapons waiting inside for you if you point a shotgun in the face of the first person who answers the door."
That's how it works, people.
And do you know what his statement is, or are you just putting words in his mouth?
@50, agreed.
I too have my CWL, and in Washington state it is illegal to carry in a bar, or a school or a government building of any kind, so you can set aside your hysterical use of ALL CAPS BOLD and excessive punctuation.
Personally I don’t carry all the time, but as a small boned middle aged lady there are times when I feel it prudent to do so. For example, when I was working late on a show at The Empty Space costume shop which was located in Pioneer Square, you can bet your sweet bippy I had my SP101 under my sweater.
That being said, the practice of open carry, in my opinion, is mostly about being provocative. The guys who do it are, in my experience, pretty much pompous douche bags who are just dying for somebody to raise an objection so they can bloviate and thump their chests. They always remind me of Randy Marsh from South Park when ever he got a political bee in his bonnet.
Or Seattleblues.
Oh, and @ Anc, I must agree the Walther certainly is a sweet little gun.
Every Tea Partier I have met - and they are legion here in Solid Red California is an insane conspiracy theorist. Tea Party is just a name for the club they made themselves.
You are going to need way way more than that to prove Jared Loughner is not Tea party material, especially when you have essentially insisted he has the prime feature already.
"Every Tea Partier I have met - and they are legion here in Solid Red California is an insane conspiracy theorist."
Solid Red California? From the state that inflicted Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman, Linda Sanchez and Maxine Waters on an unsuspecting nation? Okay then.
Nah, I'm sure it's just a quirk!
I call friends by nicknames. The chances that any kind of rapport could ever exist between the insane and vulgar Goldstein and myself is negligible, hence Goldstein rather than Goldy.
But nice try with the anti-semitic inuendo. It's almost as clever as saying that anyone who thinks maybe that gay people ought to accept the consequences of their choices MUST be gaaaay. (Or bigoted, or KKK or some other over the top slander. Actually, my particular favorite is 'haters' since it so clearly the essentialy childish nature of the gay 'rights' movement.)
@58
To be helpful, those who earn a paycheck from providing a service to the government on a legally binding contract aren't 'sucking off the government teat.' Those who think that their poor choices entitle them to the product of another mans labor using the government as mugger are. Is that sufficiently clear?
@57: Ah yes California that gave us Prop 13 and Ronald Reagan. There is a pretty substantial conservative population in that state. Orange County, for example, as Mrs. Vel-Duray so rightly points out, is full of just the sort of people you aspire to be.
@59: Yeah some one needs to tell Seattleblues his sheet is showing.
But do be careful dear. I'm sure you don't believe in Karma, being Christianish and all, but in my experience, the people who complain the most about others "living off the government" are the ones who end up needing government assistance the most. Oh, I know - you are superman: a financial wizard, perfect health, unusually bright children etc, etc, etc. But life has a way of throwing things at a person.
You poor, poor man. You are so transparent.
A) You're really good at not saying you're afraid of poor black people, but it's obvious to any outside observer that you're scared of poor black people.
B) I've never been troubled by a person dressed "like a hoodlum." I've been physically assaulted by preppies and rednecks. Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's just that to police arrest "hoodlums" for crimes they let frat boys walk away from.
@55/61- I'm wearing nearly identical manpris right now, combined with a t-shirt, ankle high socks and a pair of hiking shoes. But I don't have a firearm on me. I think I'm better dressed.
@56, No evidence has surfaced that he was a Tea Partier. If you have any, feel free to post it. As for me 'proving he was not a Tea Partier' have you never heard of trying to prove a negative?
@65, Maybe I'm good at not saying it because it's all in your head. Just like you tried to put words in the mouth of the guy standing there in the original photo, now you are trying to put words in my mouth. Well, if it makes it easier to dismiss what I'm saying, have at it.
Coming from a state where "everything is illegal", I'd rather see a responsible open carry (who would have to be licensed) than anyone texting while driving.
Again, just my opinion, I think part of the reason for the resentment and hatred of Obama is because he is disproving all the old prejudices. I suspect that having to live with the refutation of ancestral beliefs, ie all the nonsense about racial capabilities and characteristics, is intolerable to these people. Of course they don't stop at race and include sexual preference as well. In a rational world a good fear would be a dead one; it's a sad mark to see how far we are from burying the needless garbage from the past that continues to drag on us.
Peace.
I realized while previewing that post that some people might not grasp from the ;) on the end that I was being sarcastic.... SO I ADDED A LINE EXPLICITLY STATING I WAS BEING SARCASTIC!
What part of:
"BTW, that's sarcasm people."
Are you not not able to wrap your head around? Do I need to use smaller words next time? Maybe there is a series of grunts I could try and type out phonetically for you?
Thank you...and that WAS my point as well.
I found/and find our troll a little dumbass who should probably not be within 50 yards of a firearm.
Your example about personal safety represents a legitimate use of a weapon. If I were considering a move to Pioneer Square (which I was at one time) I would have soberly assessed my own options vis a vis personal safety.
Remember the violent and disgusting demonstrations over Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker doing away with the collective bargaining for teacher's unions? The results are in. Some school districts went from a $400,000 deficit to a $1,500,000 surplus as a result. Why? It seems that the insurance company that provided all the "so-called" benefits to the teachers, was an insurance company owned and operated by the teacher's union. Since they were guaranteed to get the insurance business from the teachers and the State had to pay for it, and not the teachers, they were increasing the annual costs every single year to become the most expensive insurance company in the state. Then the insurance company was donating millions and millions of dollars to their favorite democrat politicians, who when they got elected, guaranteed to keep funding the unions outrageous costs. In other words, the insurance company was a "pass through" for Wisconsin taxpayer money directly to the democrat politicians.
Nice racket, and this is the racket that is going on in every single State that allows collective bargaining. No wonder the States are taking it away. Now that the State of Wisconsin is free to put the insurance contract out for bid, and lo and behold, they have saved so much money it has turned deficits into surplus amounts. As a result, none of the teachers had to be laid off, everyone got a raise, etc., etc., and the taxpayers of Wisconsin don't have to pay more taxes to fund the union's political ambitions.
There's a nice unpacking and debunking of its claims right here.
Bullshit.
YW...same with you.
U.S. Border Patrol Weekly Blotter
August 4 - August 10
(08/10/2011)Border Patrol agents seized over 15,244 pounds of marijuana and 12 pounds of cocaine. Agents arrested nine criminal aliens and eight gang members. There were five rocking incidents.
*This overview is compiled from incidents reported to the Office of Border Patrol and is not intended to reflect all Border Patrol enforcement actions. Most arrests and seizures fail to meet the requirements for mandatory reporting to the Office of Border Patrol.
Reported on August 4, 2011
El Centro Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near El Centro, California. Records checks revealed the subject was a convicted sex offender and had been previously removed from the United States.
El Paso Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near El Paso, Texas. During processing, the subject was identified as a member of the Sureño gang who had been previously removed from the United States.
Miami Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico in Jacksonville, Florida. During processing, the subject was identified as a member of the Latin Kings gang. Records checks revealed the subject had an extensive criminal history and had been previously removed from the United States.
New Orleans Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from El Salvador near New Orleans, Louisiana. During processing, the subject was identified as a member of the Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) gang. Records checks revealed the subject had an active warrant of arrest issued in the commonwealth of Virginia for larceny and probation violations. The subject had also been previously removed from the United States.
Tucson Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Douglas, Arizona. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction in the state of Arizona for negligent homicide and had been previously removed from the United States.
Reported on August 5, 2011
El Centro Sector – Border Patrol agents seized 239 pounds of marijuana and arrested three United States Citizens (USC) near Calexico, California. Agents received a report of an ultralight aircraft (ULA) incursion and responded to the suspected drop zone, where they arrested the subjects and seized the marijuana. The ULA was observed returning to Mexican airspace.
El Centro Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near El Centro, California. Records checks revealed the subject was a convicted sex offender and had been previously removed from the United States.
Rio Grande Valley Sector – Border Patrol agents seized 304 pounds of marijuana and a pickup truck near Los Ebanos, Texas. Agents responded to a report of suspicious activity and encountered the vehicle. As agents approached the area, the driver began throwing homemade tire deflation devices out of the vehicle. The subject then drove to the Rio Grande River and absconded into Mexico. The marijuana was found in the pickup truck.
Reported on August 6, 2011
El Centro Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Calexico, California. The subject claimed to have been robbed in Mexico at gunpoint by two armed bandits. The case was referred to the appropriated authorities for investigation.
Laredo Sector – Border Patrol agents seized 7,235 pounds of marijuana, a tractor-trailer, and arrested two USCs at the traffic checkpoint near Laredo, Texas. A Border Patrol canine alerted to the vehicle and a subsequent search by agents uncovered the marijuana.
Tucson Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Nogales, Arizona. During processing, the subject admitted to being a member of the Sureño gang. Records checks revealed the subject had an extensive criminal history and had been previously removed from the United States.
Yuma Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from El Salvador near Somerton, Arizona. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction in the state of California for lascivious acts with a child under 14 and had been previously removed from the United States.
Reported on August 7, 2011
Marfa Sector – Border Patrol agents seized 1,453 pounds of marijuana, a tractor-trailer, and arrested a USC at the traffic checkpoint near Sierra Blanca, Texas. A Border Patrol canine alerted to the vehicle and a scan utilizing non-intrusive inspection technology revealed anomalies within the trailer. A subsequent search by agents uncovered the marijuana.
Rio Grande Valley Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Edna, Texas. Records checks revealed the subject was a registered sex offender with a prior conviction for aggravated sexual assault of a child. The subject had also been previously removed from the United States.
Rio Grande Valley Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from El Salvador near La Grulla, Texas. During processing, the subject admitted to being a member of the MS-13 gang. Records checks revealed the subject had been previously removed from the United States.
Reported on August 8, 2011
Rio Grande Valley Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Guatemala near Hidalgo, Texas. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction in the state of Texas for solicitation of a minor and had been previously removed from the United States.
Tucson Sector – Border Patrol agents seized 2,961 pounds of marijuana and a Ford truck near Lukeville, Arizona. The vehicle containing the marijuana was found abandoned in the desert.
Reported on August 9, 2011
Blaine Sector – Border Patrol agents seized 12 pounds of cocaine, four handguns, and arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Sumas, Washington.
El Paso Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near El Paso, Texas. During processing, the subject admitted to being a member of the Paisa gang. Records checks revealed the subject had been previously removed from the United States.
Tucson Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Three Points, Arizona. Records checks revealed the subject had prior felony convictions in the state of Kentucky for sodomy and sexual abuse. The subject had also been previously removed from the United States.
Tucson Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from El Salvador near Sasabe, Arizona. During processing, the subject was identified as a member of the MS-13 gang. Records checks revealed the subject had been previously removed from the United States.
Reported on August 10, 2011
El Paso Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near El Paso, Texas. During processing, the subject admitted to being a member of the Sureño gang. Records checks revealed the subject had an extensive criminal history and had been previously removed from the United States.
Rio Grande Valley Sector – Border Patrol agents seized 2,455 pounds of marijuana, three vehicles and a metal boat near Abram, Texas. The vehicles, boat and marijuana were abandoned near the Rio Grande River by unidentified subjects who absconded into Mexico. Records checks revealed one of the vehicles had been reported stolen.
Rio Grande Valley Sector – Border Patrol agents seized 362 pounds of marijuana, a vehicle, and rescued and arrested a USC near Rio Grande City, Texas. The subject fled from the vehicle and attempted to evade arrest by jumping into the Rio Grande River. He soon fell into distress and was rescued by agents and a local law enforcement officer.
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