The First Jello Shot Disinhibits, The Sixth Jello Shot Exonerates

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Right on, Dan! Here's to a more sex positive culture! *lifts water bottle*

Erin Daisy on August 23, 2011 at 10:50 AM

Candy's dandy but liquor's quicker!!

Last of the Time Lords on August 23, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Dan, I think you meant absolve, not exonerate.

Absolution is about sins, Exonerate is about crimes.

darkmane on August 23, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Why do I see an new "Absolut" ad campaign coming on?

avast2006 on August 23, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Somebody had to say it. But, if I remember that far back, man it was great to be young, away from home and with so many hot young things. But I worked so much I didn't have a lot of time to get drunk. Maybe that's the key- work hard and stay busy.

Vince on August 23, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Keith Stone!

Keekee on August 23, 2011 at 11:18 AM

I got laid way less in college than I should have because I don't drink. (I don't have anything against drinking, but I just don't like doing it.)

Learned Hand on August 23, 2011 at 11:20 AM

I was quite promiscuous in college and wasn't a big drinker.

AKTheresa on August 23, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Yeah! More like High School.

Keekee on August 23, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Wait... people actually do that? I thought it was one of those things use for plot points on TV and movies.

And here I've been drinking just for the fun of it.

blah on August 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM

I am a 24-year-old Catholic school survivor, liberal as they come, feminist as fuck, self-aware and liberated, and I have never had sex while sober. Nor can I imagine that I ever will. THANKS, JESUS!

Jocelyn on August 23, 2011 at 11:49 AM

I should add that this culture of getting shitfaced, having sex and then "blaming" the drinking for the sex makes life harder for women who get drunk and then get raped. Besides a culture that says that its morally acceptable to feel-up/have sex with a woman who is black-out drunk (and hence whose state of consent is in quesiton) it also leads people to question rape claims if the victim was drunk. Victims may even question themselves in such situations.

Which isn't to say no one should get drunk and that blame for rape is on anyone at all but the rapist. I just think that a culture in which fewer young people felt the need to go overboard in order to get sexual would have the positive side-effect on breaking down one aspect of the culture of rape.

Lynx on August 23, 2011 at 11:51 AM

I think we should take away culturally-based sex shaming as an excuse, so that students can start using the next items on their endlessly renewable lists of excuses to binge. David Mitchell had a great phrase in the Guardian the other day: "like children and chocolate, students and alcohol: they don't know what's good for them, they can't predict when certain behaviour will make them feel sick."

gloomy gus on August 23, 2011 at 12:03 PM

@ 12 - "it also leads people to question rape claims if the victim was drunk"

They already do, so we can just imagine how ugly this is going to get.

Ricardo on August 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Nothing new here; I observed this in college as well (lo these many years ago). And yes, what 12 said. It's all a giant mess.

BEG on August 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Lynx: I agree with a lot of the points in your post (your last sentence in particular), but something rubs me the wrong way about how you've written this:

"Besides a culture that says that its morally acceptable to feel-up/have sex with a woman who is black-out drunk..."

The culture of taking advantage of someone who is blackout drunk, or rape, does not only allow for female victims. I'm not accusing you of believing that, but I felt like it was implied by your word choice.

on August 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Also, lower the drinking age so that the act of drinking itself isn't illicit and young people can drink in public, in bars, at tables, with food.

MichelleZB on August 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM

@17, we tried that once before. It didn't work.

Fifty-Two-Eighty on August 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

My understanding is that alcohol raises the testosterone level in women, boosting their randiness. Something men have subconsciously known for generations.

treacle on August 23, 2011 at 1:15 PM

@16, taking sexual advantage of someone incapable of giving their consent is sexual assault, regardless of the genders involved. I used a woman because rape disproportionately affects them and also because the study discusses the use by young women specifically but I absolutely believe that if a man is taken advantage of in an equivalent situation it's just as grave a crime.

Lynx on August 23, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Interestingly enough, my teenage years took place in the late 1990s (when abstinence-only sex education was gaining ground, but not nearly as bad as it became in the Bush years), and while I was a rigid, preachy straightedge when it came to drugs and alcohol, I was a dedicated hedonist when it came to sex!

Gigolo Asshattin' on August 23, 2011 at 2:09 PM

This points out everything wrong with sex ed in this country but there is a simple solution: full effective sex education should be a mandatory class the first semester of college. Period. They are adults, they need to be informed of their adult responsibilities since they weren't as teenagers.

alisamc on August 23, 2011 at 3:28 PM

I drink because I like the taste.

venomlash on August 23, 2011 at 4:20 PM

@11: I hope you're not serious... that scared me.

BlackRose on August 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Spread the gospel, Dan! My husband and I have raised our current college student daughter not to associate sex with shame. We've talked to her about good and bad reasons to have sex. We've discussed the language of shame used by both males and females to "keep girls in their place." She has a healthy attitude toward sex and no interest in getting shit-faced.

snoozn on August 23, 2011 at 7:07 PM

I got drunk in college because booze was cheap, and feeling drunk was great. No hangovers for the first couple years of drinking. And dancing was only fun when I didn't care what people thought I looked like. Never had drunk sex.

But then, I was an atheist. Unlike Christians, I had morals.

Mrs. DePointe on August 23, 2011 at 8:32 PM

P.S. @16, blackout drunk guys are physically incapable of getting boners. Unless you're worried a chick is going to strap on a dildo and rape your ass, there's nothing to worry about.

Mrs. DePointe on August 23, 2011 at 8:36 PM

@27 Not having had blackout sex, I can't speak from personal experience, but I don't see any definitive evidence backing up what you're saying. Plenty out there about whiskey dick, but to say that every black out drunk guy is physically incapable of getting an erection is a stretch.

It also seems clear to me that a man could be raped (or at least sexually assaulted) without an erection and without getting his ass raped. I'm not worried, but then again, that's not anywhere near the point of my post.

Feel free to prove me wrong on any of that.

on August 23, 2011 at 9:26 PM

@28 - exactly.

@27 - men can be raped by men. And as Thompson20 points out, women can molest a unconscious or barely conscious guy in a variety of ways. When you make fun of those male victims by saying "hey, don't worry, no chick is going to strap on a dildo and rape your ass" -- that's not hilarious to me.

EricaP on August 23, 2011 at 9:59 PM

"You can go out, get drunk, have sex and the next day say, 'I'm still a good girl.'"

If that doesn't wash the shame away, you can blame your equally drunk boyfriend a la Bristol Palin.

debug on August 23, 2011 at 11:53 PM

@ 29 - In the immortal words of Meat Loaf (sorry, I just like the absurdity of that phrase), you took the words right out of my mouth in your answer to 27.

But hey, everyone, why all the hate on getting shit-faced drunk? It's a great thing to do among friends (and I do mean "friends", not "would-be rapists pretending to be friendly") when you're young and the negative effects of alcohol on your body aren't that strong. I so miss those days...

Ricardo on August 24, 2011 at 7:02 AM

@ 28 - In my experience, most 15 to 25 year old guys can get boners in any condition.

Ricardo on August 24, 2011 at 7:03 AM

@32 Mmm... that's an image to wake up to :-)

EricaP on August 24, 2011 at 9:03 AM

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