Time = change. Change = perception. We make time exist. We and everything else that notices change and thus the passing of time. There is no time in a void.

"The fact that the present exists provides evidence for “something”/God to have started/created time."

The fact that this argument exists provides evidence that this is the same old shit, new wrapper.

They were right the first time; they do have weak minds.

Again the idiocy of salvation by faith rather than salvation by deeds. Righteous heathen>wicked believer.

What's their "evidence" that the "nightclub" exists?
Or the "bouncer" for that matter?
They're so full of shit.

Blowing the bouncer is almost always an acceptable -- and often recommended -- course of action.

Oh for fuck's sake. Here's a thought: talk to a few physicists and read a book before you go out in public and embarrass yourself with your moronic ideas about how time can't exist without God.

@8 Facts don't matter. Not to them.

Their explanation for why they believe God exists is very much the Brawndo/electrolytes conversation from Idiocracy.

Praise Him!
http://www.youtube.com/user/lexout#p/u/4…

Is it going to be EXCELLENT and RADICAL and misogynistic like Mars Hill?

1. Argument from Ignorance
2. Incredibly ethically bankrupt conception of morality

"If time doesn’t “start” and has always been, we are left with the problem of an infinite past."

it's a problem because the church says it's a problem. but it's cool! the church knows the answer, so it all works out.

I wonder what the GameChurch thinks about the Shin Megami Tensei series.

Shit, I wonder what mainstream American media thinks about the Shin Megami Tensei series. I'm honestly surprised they've never gone after it.

Unh, God, I couldn't bear to actually talk to these idiots, but could someone point out to them that if they would read their own frigging book, they would know it's not about knowing the bouncer, it's about the bouncer knowing them. In that parable about separating the sheep from the goats, Jesus quite clearly states that some of the people he lets in will not recognize him and be quite surprised that he, a stranger, recognizes them, and that he will have to explain to them then, at Judgment, that they are being let in based on their good deeds.
Their own frigging book...