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We just wanted to make sure people could get home from work and catch the Sounders game in time ...
However, mass action does require mass, and also action - both are conspicuously missing in Seattle's occupational therapy.
@11~ That is really cool! Portland isn't ticketing or arresting people for such petty infractions, either. We had 2 kids arrested during the first campout for tagging OWS shit everywhere. i don't believe anyone should be arrested for that, but they should know better as it gives us all a bad name. Props to San Francisco cops, though, for showing the same decency & respect.
Yes, jaywalking = Gandhi salt walk.
I got stopped by a cop a few weeks ago for "jaywalking" during the flashing "don't walk" sign with 9 seconds left on it. Couldn't fucking believe it. Cop explained that it's officially illegal to cross with a flashing "don't walk" sign in Seattle. Are you fucking kidding me? He decided to be nice and let me go on my egregious offense.
Seattle. You can smoke a fatty joint walking down the street or ride a bicycle naked, but if you cross the street during a flashing "don't walk" or when no cars are coming, you're a criminal.
What the fuck is wrong with this place??
I've never actually followed that in all my 26 years in Seattle. Flashing hand means you have less than 5 seconds to run across.
Sure sounds like the narrator was enjoying the opportunity to deride all that. To each his own.
probably over 90% of car drivers are part of the 99% too!
It's nonsense, and it makes protesters look bad.
I had a discussion on my facebook today about this topic:
Overall, I found the experience thrilling, empowering, and enlightening.
But I came into this a newbie. I came into this looking to throw my body and my voice behind some kind of experienced and capable leadership. And apparently so did nearly everyone else, because what I found was a massive, amorphous blob of well-intentioned folks. And when I looked around, searching for a definitive answer to what, precisely, we were doing, I found too many faces mirroring my own confusion and uncertainty.
And this uncertainty fostered self-consciousness, which in turn yielded hesitation and demureness.
Thankfully, though, there were a few commanding voices leading powerful chants. And I found my own voice by relaying these chants forward along the march.
But the demonstration suffered considerably on the multiple levels of BofA Plaza. We were bisected into two distinct clumps, with no communication between the two. Each produced it's own chants and speeches and our power was halved. (We were even riding BofA's escalators up and down between the two clusters!) People were mumbling in self-conscious confusion all around me.
That was unfortunate, yes, but our verve certainly climaxed on the return.
I'm glad I took I part. I hope this movement continues and takes on a more definite shape.
Second: civil disobedience is about breaking unjust laws and obeying just ones. Jaywalking SHOULD be illegal because people get killed doing it---traffic laws in general are just laws because they avoid deaths.---breaking laws stating that corporations are human beings and allowing corporations unjust power is important to avoiding deaths also---so those laws should be broken.
No, he was not "fucking kidding (you)", and there's a very simple reason why:
When the traffic signal is green and the walk sign is lit, pedestrians have right-of-way through the intersection. But, when the red "Don't Walk" sign starts flashing, right-of-way switches from pedestrians to motor vehicles making right turns. So, legally, what you're doing when you START to cross on a blinking red is impeding traffic; otherwise, pedestrians would just keep pouring into the crosswalk up until the very last second, thus making it impossible for automobiles to make legal right-turns when they have a green light. It's exactly the same as when a traffic light turns from green to yellow: legally, vehicles are not allowed to enter the intersection on a yellow light so that they don't end up stuck there when it turns red, thus impeding cross traffic.
So, maybe there weren't any vehicles wanting to make right turns when you jaywalked. But my guess is you'll probably think twice about it next time, which was undoubtedly the cop's intention when they stopped you in the first place.
I realize that may be too much common sense for you, especially if you're one of those self-absorbed "the world revolves around ME" types, but the law wasn't created in a vacuum, nor without some thought put into it.
Final word of advice: next time you decide to do something even modestly illegal, maybe take a couple of seconds to actually, you know, look around, just to make sure there aren't any cops watching you do it.
Jaywalking can be risky. If you don't know what you're doing then yes, you can get killed. But climbing mountains can be risky. If you don't know what you're doing you can get killed. People get killed climbing mountains. And that's not illegal. Rafting or kayaking on a fast-moving river (or even just swimming) can be risky. If you don't know what you're doing you can get killed. People get killed while rafting or kayaking on fast-moving rivers, or when swimming. And those things aren't illegal. Smoking cigs can be risky. People get lung cancer from smoking cigs and die. And smoking isn't illegal. Those are just three of countless examples.
Things that should be illegal are things someone does that endanger other people, like running a red light, or reckless driving, or driving drunk. It's why people who would never vote to make smoking illegal, voted to make it illegal in bars and restaurants.
Once you get beyond things that endanger someone else, there are two broad camps: the more libertarian camp which believes that people have a right to engage in activities that are dangerous to themselves, and the more nanny-state camp that believes government needs to pass and enforce laws in order to protect people from endangering themselves.