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And about fucking time....
This is utterly predictable, and one could take in real honesty only a couple of positions on it: either that this is the inevitable price of civil disobedience, or that precautions should have been taken involving lawyers, prior contact with police departments, and negotiations.
Not that I don't feel bad for that guy or angry at those cops; I do. This shit has got to stop.
Unfortunately, both videos look "faked" somehow to me. I hate to say that, but unless I saw another video that clearly illustrates how the guy ended up on the ground and that his leg really is UNDER the tire...I dunno.
I really hope someone else has a better video.
That said, if you watch the second video, you can see that the cop on the scooter must have been trying to get through the crowd quickly (watch how quickly he pulls up) so I wouldn't be surprised if he knocked the guy over.
Nothing the victim did deserved the response he got from the donut devils. Oooh. You knocked the wittle bike over, aawww.
Fuck the NYPD.
Not proud of my current city and our cops right now.
That's right, someone with no skin in the game, just there as a witness.
So sociopath conspiracy theorists, your blame the victim strategy was that much more shameless.
The happy irony is: I smell a lawsuit. Yeah, sociopath cop, hope you enjoyed your little "accident," because it's going to cost you -- and the City of New York -- a bundle.
I could be wrong about this, but my feeling is the police department may not care if cops rough up citizens, but they probably dump the copss who get caught doing it (on camera!) to anyone who has access to big time money lawyers.
"sociopath conspiracy theorists" ?
anyway, the new york times blog:
currently cites multiple independent witnesses who say that the 'legal observer' deliberately shoved his feet under the immobile scooter in an attempt to make it look like he had been 'run over,' which he had not been.
which is what the two videos already posted above also appear to show.
stunts like this are either silly and misguided attempts to manipulate the public, or deliberate and cynical efforts by people opposed to the occupy wall street movement to discredit them.
shame on the slog for posting this with such inflammatory window dressing.
and judy, you do not know me. let's stick to what we can actually see in the video, and other sources from the scene, rather than going all ad hominem on each other.
2) The guy doesn't look like he got run over, and looks like he was pretty much faking the whole situation. I call bullshit on all that screeching. Nobody does that when they are in any kind of legitimate pain, and a scooter/small motorbike of that size is not heavy enough to do very serious damage to a person even if the cop did run over his ankle/foot.
3) NYPD still douchebags.
1) The guy falls after the scooters approach. Whether or not this is the result of getting hit or not is not clear, but he was not just lying in the road as one commenter suggested.
2) His foot gets under or beside the tire as he is writhing and flailing in seeming pain. He is not looking at the motorcycle as this happens. Whether or not he is faking or not can not be discerned, but for anyone to claim he "obviously" put it there on purpose and was faking it seems ridiculous to me.
3) I'm inclined to doubt what witnesses said at the scene when it seems to contradict filmed evidence. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and as someone who works with ambiguous crisis situations frequently, I'm often surprised by how much different individuals accounts of an incident will differ with both each other, and with the video.
4) To dismiss this as a stunt, while quite possible, seems to be reading way more into the evidence than is merited. And to cry "shame" to the poster for posting it is unmerited as well.
i called shame on slog not for posting this video--which i am glad they did--but for doing so with such inflammatory and unwarranted framing, which remains shameful for any organization connected to 'news' even tenuously.
In the seconds immediately after that, it appears to me that nobody is quite sure why the guy is on the ground. Their body language suggests that they are a bit confused about what is going on. It is only a few seconds later when people start saying "He's having a seizure", which would be the logical assumption if someone suddenly dropped to the ground and started flailing around like that.
Here's some other videos of the incident:
Still looks like the scooter was basically at a standstill when he was there. Off chance, maybe his foot got trapped, but it really doesn't look like that either.
He starts off screaming about his foot. His left foot is what is sortof near/under the front wheel, but then seconds later after moving his legs around (putting his *right* foot near the back wheel), he kicks the motorcycle over with that same ostensibly broken left foot. Adrenaline rush, who knows. But broken leg?
Not defending the cops here, and maybe somehow he got hurt, but I don't really buy it.