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We have been indoctrinated with a belief that non-violent patient movements are the only successful tactic for change, fuck patience. Almost every true social movement has used force. These people are risking a arrest to show their frustration, they haven't injured anyone all they have done is destroy some property to make a point. "Power concedes nothing without a demand" - Fredrick Douglas.
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P.S. Wouldn't surprise me these days if Blackwater private army services, now called Academi, didn't provide violent anarchist services as an adjunct to comprehensive public relations campaigns by large corporate industry lobbying groups. The local police probably don't even have to involve themselves directly at all anymore in these large jurisdictions. It would surely give more return per dollar than a large multi-million dollar television campaign trying to tout the public benefits of a vibrant successful Wall Street trading industry.
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We have been indoctrinated with a belief that non-violent patient movements are the only successful tactic for change, fuck patience. Almost every true social movement has used force. These people are risking a arrest to show their frustration, they haven't injured anyone all they have done is destroy some property to make a point. "Power concedes nothing without a demand" - Fredrick Douglas.
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#77 *hands you the 'Worst Simile in the History of Time' award*
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@104 A blanket order giving police discretion to confiscate citizens' private property that in their judgment can be used as a weapon. Yeah, I don't see how anything could possibly go wrong with that. Jackass.
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#108
an arrest. This is slog.
112
My sister works for at the Nordstrom corporate office, and she wrote me that the building was on lockdown because their office doors were smashed. Has anyone else heard or seen this?
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@110 - ah yes, an order to confiscate poles is now an order to confiscate CITIZENS' PRIVATE PROPERTY AAARRRRGH!

Jackass.
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Thereā€™s a group of about 400 marching from Westlake toward the John Williams memorial site at Seattle Center right now, on 4th Avenue. There are 50 at the front of that crowd wearing gas masks, per police radio. They're at 4th and Lenora right now.
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@108: Violent revolutions have a lesser degree of initial success, and a higher degree of counterrevolution then their non-violent counterparts. Besides, you are a dumbass, and need to shower and get that paint and teargas off your body, before your mom notices.
116
I guess this is why that survivalist in North Bend hunkered in his bunker.

Still a poor survival strategy, just judging by results.

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No, idiot. Read the order. It's nowhere near as specific as poles. Is a cane a pole? How about a sign? Anything can be confiscated from anyone without reproach. CAN YOU READ YOU FUCKTARD?
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LET ME KNOW HOW IT TURNS OUT YOU FUCKTARD!

pffffffft
119
Sounds like Phoenix Jones has committed a number of assault-and-batteries. I hope they get him too.
120
Slog says "southbound" but those people appear to be headed north in the photo. So which is it?
121
It's not such a big deal. Those are wealthy businesses. They can afford to have their windows fixed. It merely looks bad and causes a scandal, but the damage is superficial.
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"Almost every true social movement has used force."

"Every true social movement", except for East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bolivia, Argentina, Thailand, Hungary, Bulgaria, Burma, etc. and every other democratizing movement of the last 30 years that has succeeded, not to mention the Women's Rights, Civil Rights, the Prohibition movement (and the movement to repeal it), and the Gay Rights movement in this country. I guess those don't count or something?

You don't upset entrenched power sources by attacking their strengths. You attack their weaknesses and their legitimacy. It's pretty simple.

From Dictatorship to Democracy is available free online; read it. It's led to more successful democratic revolutions than I bet you have IQ points.
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I think all of you are looking at this day, this movement, this moment in history through an embarrassingly reactionary lens. There are many people out there who are completely shut out of the system and the number is growing rapidly. They don't read your comments and they don't share your goals of gentle protest or affecting peaceful change or "fixing the system." It's over. These are the end times and the only thing left to do is FUCK SHIT UP. Deal with it how you must - plant a garden, throw a rock or just keep your head down - but you can't avoid the tide of history by wishing it away.
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@121- How do you know the tourist from Canada who got his windows smashed can afford it? Tell me where you live and I'll smash your shit in protest and then tell me how the damage is superficial. There's a difference between smashing targeted business windows and drunken fratboy car destruction, anarchists should be smart enough to not fall into the latter category. And they should be smart enough to not wear Nikes when they protest Nike and not wear American Apparel when they protest American Apparel. It's really hard to justify or defend being that stupid.
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WAIT! - The Mayor just said police can confiscate anything that can be used as a weapon. What can't be used as a weapon? Can they search people bags and cars? Did we just lose some constitutionally protected rights over a few broken windows? What's going to happen when it's not just some broken windows and spray paint?
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@111 THIS....IS....SPARTA!!!
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@120, Evidently, the reporter meant northbound. Changing it now.
128
Well that makes more sense, thanks!
129
they look like Teenage Mutant Ninja fanclub members...for people interested in some gesture of righting-the-wrong...i'm going to buy a couple of shirts at American Ap tomorrow. Maybe something from Nike too.

I know, it doesnt really make a difference in the big picture, but if a few people did that....hmm.

can the hobo's, i mean, anachists go back to Eugene PUH-LEASE?
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I understand the desire for protest porn, but is it possible to maybe leave that to the mainstream media? Instead maybe you could cover the fact that there was an immigrant rights march to Wells Fargo today, that there were people who gave speeches and not just shouted slogans, and that today is supposed to have something to do with workers' rights?
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I do wish that the decent, right-minded Occupiers would make at least SOME gesture demonstrating the distinction between them and the vandals -- preferably in front of the frothy-mouthed cameras. Would it kill them to take a lesson from the anarchists and understand that what makes the news is the stuff that makes a titillating narrative? How about some citizen's arrests?
132
Being anti-establishment is SO 1999. Now anti-anti-establishment, that's cool!
133
I thought the courthouse at Sixth and Spring wasn't even in use as a courthouse anymore.
134
How many of the protestors were wearing Nikes?
135
@80: I'm with you. I see shit like this, and reactions like this, and I can't help but imagine a fat guy in a top hat and monocle, laughing so hard he almost tips over and rolls down his huge pile of money.
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@123: You know that people have been claiming that it's the endtimes since the beginning of people claiming things at all, right?

@107: Ooo, yay, a conspiracy theorist. How often does *that* ideology pan out for you?

@108: Methinks you're wrong. Gandhi and King taught you nothing, I see. More violence does not beget peace. This vandalism is wrong for the same reason the War on Iraq was wrong. Just casualties... most of whom had nothing to do with anything.
138
Can someone tell me why you would break American Apparel windows? I get Nike but...
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@136 - why are you against people renting out rooms in their homes and cooking them meals?
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@138: Because they make horrible, ugly clothes for horrible, ugly people. Silver lame' leggings are a privilege, not a right.
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ah, so nice and peaceful out here in issaquah. think i'll go crack open a cold one and soak my feet in the creek.
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People running around busting up businesses and cars while terrorizing people just trying to go about their lives are not protesters. They are criminals and vandals who need to be arrested. Please, news people, stop calling them what they aren't and start calling them what they are.

To the protesters (the legit ones who aren't into violence): please separate yourselves from these people. You are being associated with them and whatever point you wanted to make is being muddled by those who would believe that breaking things can solve problems. They're doing it in the name of "stirring up a national discourse" which would be funny if they didn't seriously believe it's true. You don't want to be a part of that kind of sick joke.

To the deluded who think this violence will somehow *not* alienate you from the vast majority of society and instead bring people together to support your cause:
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This is all amazing to me. I'd love to see this crap get attempted over on this coast, maybe Boston or Worcester. About the time they start smashing people's windows, they'd find themselves getting smashed back. What a bunch of ass clowns. Occupy is done. All they're doing is pissing on their own corpse.
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Anyone know if the buses are running through downtown on 3rd and whatnot with any regularity?
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Why American Apparel?
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Time 0:37, smashing the Nike Store... wearing Nikes.
From http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/more-k…
"attack Niketown" video.
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LOLOLOLOL
Time 0:37, smashing the Nike Store... wearing Nikes.
From http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/more-k…
"attack Niketown" video.
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@131: Big, peaceful, rally at Westlake where people are oblivious to the vandalism blocks away isn't enough of a statement for you?
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I for one am glad the Mayor banned all cars. Those things are dangerous!
151
but this does prove what I said about Taggers Being Dangerous Animals ...
152
Stupid protesters...you are NOT supposed to get close to a cop. If they allow it and someone grabs a gun then opens fire stupid protesters you will blame the cops. Get it. They are there to protect public safety. Not get along with your stupid ass. We don't pay them to get along with your stupid ass. Don't protest if you are too dumb to figure this out. Back off or grow up and prepare to be arrested.
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fuck the spd
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Christopher: You changed the headline to say that "violence erupts". That's a bit misleading. Has anyone been harmed? Do count breaking inanimate objects as violence?
156
Pepper spraying a Slog commenter is not illegal, people. This is still America, you know.
157
It's so depressing that cowardly anarchists have hijacked any form of liberal protests. These creeps are an embarrassment and keep people (like me) from taking part in events like this one. Whatever your feelings about cops, they don't deserve a day of violence against them.
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@149 Let's see which makes the evening news, shall we?
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Hahaha, KIRO just broadcast a solid 30 seconds of "Fuck the Police" being chanted.
160
Breaking windows, lobbing rocks, and setting fires outside stores when people are inside is violent. If someone broke out my windows I would consider it an act of violence.
162
These are McGinn's people. What did anyone expect?
164
Somehow, the police never manage to arrest the guys who all arrive dressed in black, wearing hoods, looking completely unlike the protesters. The pepper-spray the crowd behaving themselves appropriately and never catch their agents provocateurs, who are in there only to give the protesters a bad name and the police a rationalization for violence.
165
Quick shambhaladawa and others, quickly answer a few questions for us

1. Who planned and executed 9/11?
2. Do vaccines cause autism?
3. Do you believe in chemtrails?
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164 is missing a word in the second sentence. Correction: The police pepper-spray the crowd ...
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@164 And some how Occupy can't figure out how to stop this shit from happening either. They either want it to happen or are too unimaginative to figure out a solution.

C'mon guys, it's not like this is something new.
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Pepper spraying 156 might not be a crime, but pepper spraying Baconcat is a federal offense. Bacon and all its derivatives have long enjoyed inviolability under federal statutes.
169
Smashing windows ...what a bold statement!
170
What the hell? Why didnt the police arrest people smashing windows right in front of them? Should be 20 people arrested by now.
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Anarchists. They drive cars (supporting the oil industry) on roads (made possible by government), and eat food and wear clothing they didn't produce on their own little co-op farms. What a bunch of whiny-assed cliche punks. Cops should be clubbing them just on priciple.
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I'd be nice if the main crowd stomped those shitstains into the cement. The smashers are deluded fools.
173
"Violence is Erupting!", and only 8 arrests all day? What's missing here?
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This is all so scripted, and so ineffectual. The violent ones, and the peaceful ones -- they all damage their cause. I saw a guy, perfectly peaceable, just ambling down the street with a sign that said "LEGALIZE IT". That sign makes legalizing it LESS likely. The immigration rights people -- I'm a big supporter of immigrant rights -- they're maybe making themselves feel better, but they're doing nothing, nothing for immigration rights. "WE ARE THE 99%" is a message guaranteed to turn the 99% against you.

Clusterfuck. God bless the SPD, and best of luck to you all. The best possible outcome of this is that Phoenix Jones accidentally sets himself on fire and dies in it.
176
It seems to me this would have been a grand opportunity to register new voters. Change from within and all.
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"VIOLENCE ERUPTS!"

...in one or two incidents that lasted a scant few minutes and involved MAYBE a dozen people doing damage to windows!

Oh yah, and then PEACE CARRIED THE REST OF THE DAY for the literally THOUSANDS of other people participating.

But you know, we'll go ahead and run the "VIOLENCE ERUPTS!!!!" headline.

Cuz that's just the kind of honorable, objective, not-at-all-sensationalistic journalism you've come to expect from SLAG!!
178
Just how could Occupy (or anyone) keep the anarchists from showing up? That's a ridiculous claim.
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@124 If you want to smash anything of mine, you would be hard-pressed, as I own little. I don't own a car for instance or a house. So you would have to smash something communal, like a public bus. I dont even own a TV. There is my computer though....:) Frankly, most Canadians hate Americans anyway. I've even talked to one who didn't like Americans moving to Canada to get away from the USA. The tourists come over the border and buy stuff at the American mall, then return home to their universal healthcare and Harper dictatorship.
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Don't all the people remember the elections of '68 and '72? These kinds of protests put their enemies in office and they will again.
181
Fnarf dear, you know I adore you, and I suppose you are right, but I do have to ask: what are people who want to express their dissatisfaction supposed to do? I agree with Our FranFW that voting is the most important thing you can do, but do you think public protest is a lost cause, or is it our particular type of inane/crypto-sociopathic NW protesting?

Don't get tense and brusque, dear. I am both nonplussed, and sincerely interested in your opinion. Also, remember that I am an invalid. At least for the next eleven hours.
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@179, I wouldn't say we hate you, it's just that most of us (Canadians) have our head up our asses and look down at the states while ignoring whats going on in our own country.

Also why can't police come up with tatics to stop this kind of stuff? Same thing happened in toronto and vancouver last year. How hard is it to arrest the people that are smashing shit? I mean I'm glad the police are out there and 90% of the time I'm on their side but you think they could come up with some tatic to stop jackass thugs from smashing shit. I was at westlake park this morning waiting for the bus and about 10 people there looked sketchy with black hoodies hidden behind their jackets and scarfs around their neck. There was about three police officers standing near by and I didn't see one go up and be like so whats going on with that scarf. You think they'd be on the look out for people dressed in black bloc outfits...
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@180 - no, I don't think they remember that.
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@180

It might be a little unreasonable to expect anyone under 45 years old to remember the elections of '68 and '72.
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@182

The whole point of the "tactic that is called black bloc" is to evade the cops. Hence, it shouldn't be entirely surprising that the police have trouble arresting Smashists who use this tactic; who mingle into large crowds, slip on concealing hoods and scarves for their Smashist actions, and then melt back into the crowd.

The police can't arrest someone for wearing a scarf or a hoodie; they have to catch the Smashist in the act to make an arrest.
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@185, it's not that hard to pick out the sketchy people with hoodies hidden under their clothes and ski masks/scars around their neck and keep an eye on them. Like I said, there was about 10 people that the cops could have at least talked to/kept an eye on this morning at westlake, but they seem completely indifferent to them. You don't have to arrest them, but you can walk up and be like hey, I see that ski mask and I've got my eye on you. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the cops are in good spirits/friendly most of the time in seattle, I just would've expected them to be more alert/agressive today considering the noise the mayors office was making.
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And in the video of the people smashing nikie town, you can see the cowardly thugs run in the opposite direction as soon as the bike cops come. Why wasn't there plain clothes officers in that direction ready to intercept them? But my point is bigger, this isn't just an issue with the SPD but with all police forces. It seems they have two responses: a) hands off and b) smash in heads/tear gas everyone. The same thing happened in toronto. There's got to be a much better way of dealing with the trouble makers.
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@182


There was about three police officers standing near by and I didn't see one go up and be like so whats going on with that scarf. You think they'd be on the look out for people dressed in black bloc outfits...


Yes. Also, Muslims.

"Profiling"? What's that?
189

I was going to check out what American Apparel is all about, but I stopped with the slide presentation for "Lola"

http://www.americanapparel.net/

I did see a mention on the site they were "Sweatshop Free".

Seems like a low cost clothing store for hot females.

Why them?

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@189

Because they've got "American" in the name? Because the CEO is a notorious sexist shit? Because they're somehow emblematic of hipsterism? Who knows?

Smashists aren't terribly picky, once they get going.
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Anyone who was a witness to this police action @ http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/confro… - on May Day where the young man was pinned to the ground by several police officers (and was later taken to Harborview Med Center (where he remains @ 9;30 p.m. without contact with his parents...or information about his medical condition - post significant cervical surgery several weeks .))

He is not an anarchist, not a member of a group, but more probably in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am his godmother.

PLEASE email me @ lharris@campicheblue.com and give a description and contact information for follow-up. Did you see or photograph with a smart phone? Please send photos. Did you get/see a badge number? What did you see? What did you hear? Who were you there with?

Trying to figure out the facts here.

Thank you in advance.

lharris@campicheblue.com

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@188, if you think a muslim scarf looks like a black block scarf, you need a reality check. If you think a cop talking to someone who looks sketchy in all black clothing hidden under normal clothing with a mask/scarf around their neck at a place where police suspect black bloc tatics are are going to be used is the same thing as cop harrashing your average muslim person for being a muslim, you're an idiot.
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Jesuz Henry Fucking Christ on a Crutch, does it really only take a few shattered panes of glass to turn SLOG into the Northwest branch of Free Republic?
194
Most of the comments I just read here are inane, insipid, devoid of any historical context, idiotic parroting of the shit forcefed to them by the corporate media, the corporate marketing geniuses, the military industrial complex, etc. What is the cost of a few (insured) broken windows vs the trillions gambled away by wall st on credit default swaps, or by bush on the completely illegiate iraq and afghan wars? We have become orwell's 1984. Big brother is here. Oh well. I support the police state. Just give me my prozac and I'll shut up peacefully.
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Do these people realize that the meaning of thier protest is lost when all control is lost. I believe in everyone's rights to protest all they want but people don't realize that there are alot of people that don't know what the protest is about due to all the other stuff that happens in the protests.
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@194

OK, fair enough, but could you please explain to us sheeples how real work is being done on those real issues when someone breaks a bit of insured plate glass?
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Interesting point, 194. A broken window at a clothing store will show those military industrial complex monsters of depravity who is really in control!
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@164 you are so right. We never see a big arrest of any of these "anarchist" vandal groups followed by a high profile conspiracy trial. Never. It isn't because they are too sophisticated to be busted. It is because their leadership is working with law enforcement. We know that law enforcement infiltrates these groups, but they never go for the big conspiracy to commit terrorism prosecution, because the pro-establishment public relations generated by the violence is too useful.

The people who get prosecuted are almost always truly peaceful protesters who are busted under the most ridiculous circumstances, such a being corralled into an enclosed space, peppers sprayed, and then arrested for resisting arrest
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P.S. Also, these violent "anarchists" (who never get busted under the RICO statutes because they are working for/with law enforcement) help set up and legitimize the use of violent excessive force against PEOPLE by police if protests get big enough to scare the establishment.
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How did jimi hendrix lighting his guitar on fire change anything? Was kurt cobain pragmatic when he blew his head off? Why didn't hemmingway join alcoholics anonymous? Why didn't jesus christ just be a good citizen of the empire? Why was solzhenitsyn in siberia when he could have been a captain in the army of the soviets?
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@187 The don't have a tactic to make arrests against the "black bloc" because they don't want to make arrests. They like the destructive violence against property because it helps them justify all actions they might take in the future against all the other protesters and marchers, like the person put in Harborview by the cops whose godmother was asking about him @191.
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Mayor mcginn is worried about a few insured windows and we're changing the earth's climate with rampant consumerism? We can't change this system with polite objections. The military industrial complex can destroy life on earth, and we're going to treat it respectfully? The wealthy own obscene shares of wealth. Factory farms feed the obese. Euthanasia is outlawed. Contraception is made difficult to obtain in the third world. Prisons overflow in the us with non-violent drug offenders. And we're supposed to believe ther's a chance to changr all this pragmatically and peacefully? Human nature is selfish and destroying the planet as a cancer upon it. Might as well break a couple fucking windows, no?
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@200

OK, I think I get it now. Breaking insured plate-glass windows is like being the Jimi Hendrix of destroying capitalism?

Did you know that "grandiosity" isn't in the dictionary?
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@185 @186

Damn, Zimmerman should use today's shenanigans in his defense. "Well look at those black bloc guys with their hoodies and nikes and whatnot, what was I supposed to do?"
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Phoenix Jones didn't spray anyone in the face directly. A pepper bomb went off. Jones was also a victim of the pepper bomb. They were protecting the courthouse and did a damn fine job if I remember correctly. Your friend at the Slog is either lying or crazy.

Source: I was there.
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@194 I guess all the people whose cars who got trashed and now have to pay insurance deductibles or buy new tires should be thanking you right?
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Mayor mcginn is worried about a few insured windows and we're changing the earth's climate with rampant consumerism? We can't change this system with polite objections. The military industrial complex can destroy life on earth, and we're going to treat it respectfully? The wealthy own obscene shares of wealth. Factory farms feed the obese. Euthanasia is outlawed. Contraception is made difficult to obtain in the third world. Prisons overflow in the us with non-violent drug offenders. And we're supposed to believe ther's a chance to changr all this pragmatically and peacefully? Human nature is selfish and destroying the planet as a cancer upon it. Might as well break a couple fucking windows, no?

Geez, I hope you're at least cute enough to fuck.
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@192

Here is the point that you have dismally failed to comprehend thus far:

A person's appearance nor choice of dress does not provide evidence that they have committed or are about to commit a crime.

When police suspect persons of criminal activity based on appearance or choice of dress they infringe on those persons' civil liberties. Such profiling based on one's appearance poses the danger that citizens may incur police scrutiny and targeting based on subjective interpretations of dress, skin tone, phenotype, etc.

This can have dire consequences. Perhaps you have heard of a young man named Trayvon Martin?

Further, I never suggested nor implied that "a Muslim scarf looks like a black bloc scarf" (which is of course a moronic interpretation of what I said).

But your very suggestion of this reveals the many flaws in your feeble logic:

What is a "black bloc scarf"? What is a "Muslim scarf"? What does "sketchy" look like? Who gets to decide which scarfs are "black bloc scarfs", which are "Muslim scarfs", and which are "normal scarfs" (or even, I dunno, "hipster scarfs")? You? Officer Joe Schmoe?

Starting to get the picture here?

Good. Please do try to put a little more thought into your posts in the future, m'kay?
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According to multiple MSM news sources, including Bloomberg, Seattle's SPD had undercover cops in the Black Bloc group.

Which leads one to ask - were they encouraged to act or not?
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@205 what's a ā€pepper bomb?ā€

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