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If you really want to help this country, stop being so ridiculously partisan all the time and help come up with some real things to be pissed off about and ways to fix them.
For the past week, Iâve been working with the Webmaster for The Stranger / Portland Mercury who is glad to report that âthe glitch that allowed the alternate version of my screen name was a bug in final name matching, that's been corrected and the impostor account has been removed.â
In addition, in an unrelated issue, the Webmaster reported that the âScreen name availabilityâ widget in the Create Account page had some glitches fixed.
The person(s) that did this to me are evil cowards. Imagine, having âyourâ words coming from a rip in the internets. For example, I never said that I approved ex-gay therapies but my imposter did. How evil is that?
The big takeaway from this is that some people are so afraid that gay people could actually vote in significant numbers for Romney this year. It is still Obamaâs to loose, but Romney is closing the gaps quickly. Liberal leftists must eliminate all dissent and keep the minorities in the Democratic Party in line with party orthodoxy. Liberalism is after all, as reflected by so many here, is fundamentally an authoritarian ideology. Whatever happened to the liberal notion of âmarketplace of ideasâ? That hasnât been around since Bill Clintonâs presidency.
Days to election: 161
The impostor's profile only had his comments that Sunday May 20th.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/…
Trump may be an idiot, but can we save "terrible people" for those who deserve it? Continually rattling the birther saber doesn't qualify for me, but killing children and American citizens without due process... that's getting there.
pin the crazy label on Trump. What a rascal. This is a major win for Rmoney
So I clicked on your link and there was this comment about how you do not understand how being a "birther" is racist.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
Why do you need someone to explain to you how being a "birther" is racist?
Actually, Obama does not need the south in order to win. The 2008 election was historic in many ways; one reason was that it was the first election in US history that the Democratic Party won without needing any of the states which had been in the Confederacy.
Take out the three "southern" states that Obama won (FL, VA, NC) and he still would have won the election, with 309 EV's (due to reapportionment, that number is now 301).
Now I'm not saying that Obama is not going to campaign heavily for those southern states. He is (he already has more than thirty offices open in FL alone).
I'm just saying that, technically, Obama can lose the south and still win by a large margin. On the other hand, if Romney loses any of those three states, he's pretty much toast.
That's one of the reasons why Obama is heavily favored to win re-election. The math favors him greatly.
http://www.270towin.com/
The subject of the current thread is about birthers.
You had previously claimed that birthers were not racists.
Want me to link to that comment of yours? Okay. Here it is:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
"It's plausible that some birthers are racists as it is that plausible most are not racist."
So you claim that holding a racist position does not define a person as a racist.
In your mind, a non-racist can hold a racist view point.
What, exactly, does "racist" mean to you?
Did I stutter?
Claiming that the black POTUS was NOT born in Hawaii despite all the available evidence (birth certificate, newspaper announcement, etc) is racist.
Did you get that? Was it too complex for you?
What, exactly, does "racist" mean to you? Since you seem to be claiming that birthers are not racists.
You see, I cannot simply extrapolate racism on a whim. Some do, like you, but I don't.
bullshit is the way to win the election, particularly when McCain had enough character to shut it down.
"And it just could mean that they are kooks who have it in for Obama who have latched on to a conspiracy theory."
So you maintain that "kooks" can hold racist viewpoints but not be racist. Just "kooks".
You do realize that I will bookmark this thread as well.
:)
"You see, I cannot simply extrapolate racism on a whim. Some do, like you, but I don't."
No, that was the point.
Some can see racist comments and racist behavior and understand that such are racist.
Others have to find a way to try to excuse such.
Even to the point of claiming that those people are "kooks" instead of racists.
KooKKs.
But not racists.
"The birther story came about because some think Obama was born in Kenya, and thus would be ineligible for the presidency."
Kenya, in Africa.
But it's not racist because you say it isn't racist.
Just KooKKy.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
"There's nothing racist in that."
So you keep claiming.
Claiming that the black man could NOT have been born in Hawaii despite all the documentation showing he was ... he MUST have been born somewhere in Africa.
Not racist at all.
Just KooKKy.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
"They would do the same if was born in Luxemburg."
So you claim that if he had been born in Luxembourg that those same KooKKs would claim that the black man must have been born in Africa?
How fortunate that you are able to see alternate realities and report on them.
Maybe you can see an alternate reality where cancer has been cured and report on how it was done?
No? You're just making that up?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
"... SIFF, or The Stranger is anyone's guess because unless you do a poll or collect questionnaires you're judging people not by the content of the character but by the color of their skin."
So someone holding up a racist sign needs to be judged on the content of her character via a poll to determine if she is a racist?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
Because holding up a racist sign and making racist statements are not sufficient to determine whether someone is a racist.
But a poll is.
Because they might only be a KooKK who holds up racist signs and makes racist statements.
Bookmarked!
"So now you're tossing in some stock photo of racist. Are you doing that to shore up your eroding arguments?"
Whoa there!
By your claims she is NOT a racist.
Nor do you have any basis for CLAIMING that she is a racist without conducting a poll.
"Are you doing that to shore up your eroding arguments?"
Nope. I'm doing it to illustrate the flaws in your position. There are several.
There is NOTHING in that picture that you have not defended as "not racist".
Yet you now claim that you can tell that she's a racist by a single sign that she's holding.
Seems that your definition is rather flexible.
I'm glad I bookmarked this thread as well.
"Obviously that woman is holding a racist sign, and therefore she is racist."
So you think that she's a racist? Okay.
Because she is holding a sign saying
Obama is African (born in Africa).
Obama is lying.
Obama is in the White House.
"But that photo does not relate to the subject of whether or not ALL birthers are racist, such as Donald Trump."
And Birthers are not racist because all they claim is that:
Obama is African (born in Africa).
Obama is lying (about his place of birth).
Obama is in the White House.
Buy you claim that one is racist while the other is not. Even when they're making the same claims.
:)
Bookmarked.
It's pointless for the left to point it out, becuase the racists just hide under being victims of the "pc-police". It should be the responsiblty of the right to reign these folks in and correct their behavior. It's like a parent at the store letting the kids run around breaking shit. You could get mad at the kid but really you should be upset with the parents for allowing such behavior to continue.
The ball was in Mitt's court to show his maturity and he blew it. Legitimizing Thump is doing more damage to the GOP than any misspelling of America.
"You're the one that's leaping to conclusions about the racism of groups of people, I'm the one that only judges racism individually, on a case-by-case basis."
So you claim that a PERSON who claims that:
Obama is African (born in Africa).
Obama is lying.
Obama is in the White House.
Is a racist.
But a GROUP that claims:
Obama is African (born in Africa).
Obama is lying.
Obama is in the White House.
Is not racist.
Despite having the same claims.
You claim that they may be KooKKs but being a KooKK is not the same as being a racist.
:)
Every conspiracy story needs a seed, and the birth certificate is the seed for the birthers.
@50 Why didn't the left attack McCain for being born in a foreign country? Because, non-lunatics trust the work of our government to find out if a candidate is eligible. The birther movement is still the sour grapes of the tinfoil hat crowd.
Back to Trump though, Mitt is doing the dog-whistle with him. A reasonable and respectful person would stay far far away for that man.
"No, the birther movement seized on a "issue" with Obama's birth certificate and a few other related "issues"."
What other "related 'issues'"?
Be specific.
"And it is plausible to say that a contingent of those are racist if supported by closer examination."
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
You said that that woman was racist because she claimed:
Obama is African (born in Africa).
Obama is lying.
Obama is in the White House.
Is a racist.
But a GROUP that claims:
Obama is African (born in Africa).
Obama is lying.
Obama is in the White House.
Is not racist.
Do you have a pic of multiple birthers holding up similar signs?
Wait, what? What the hell does that statement even mean? Are you referring to Luxembourg, the country in Europe? If he were born there, then you're right, he wouldn't be eligible for the presidency, because he doesn't meet the requirement of being born in the US (or from two US citizens if born abroad). So it wouldn't be an issue in the first place because he clearly wouldn't be eligible. Therefore, this possible meaning makes no sense.
If you're referring to either of the cities in the US (in WI or IA), then it would be the same scenario; people calling into question the eligibility of someone born in the US because they choose to believe something repeatedly proven to be false. This can't be your meaning though, because then you're excusing the behavior of people you've already dismissed as "kooks".
I think you chose Luxemburg at random, to represent any "far away" sounding place that people would be leery of accepting as an origin for the President, even if it were legal. But again, you're wrong. The white candidate in 2008 was born outside the US, and they never questioned his eligibility.
"That woman you keep on showing is showing a racist sign. You haven't provided any details about her."
And without any other details, YOU pronounced her "racist".
Post # 43
"Obviously that woman is holding a racist sign, and therefore she is racist."
Yet YOU are the one who is saying that birthers are not racist even though they claim the same things that are on her sign.
:)
I meant Luxembourg, the country in Europe.
"You still haven't answered my question, is that woman in the picture a birther, or a bither and a racist?"
That is because you answered it yourself.
Post #53
"Is she a birther? We don't know."
Now you going to claim that your rhetorical question was a real question?
But you already answered yourself in your own post.
And just from her holding that sign you were able to pronounce her a racist.
Yet you claim that a group of people who hold the same views as on her sign are not racist.
:)
"Well, we haven't seen crowds like her holding up similar signs, have we?"
Yes we have. At Tea Party and birther rallies.
In fact, the birthers make all the claims that she had on her sign.
That's kind of why they're known as "birthers".
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
You can see that picture and claim that she is a racist.
But you claim that a GROUP that says:
Obama is African (born in Africa).
Obama is lying.
Obama is in the White House.
Is not racist.
:)
"Okay then, find me a picture of a birther rally with multiple racist signs."
Here:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
That is you denying that it is racist.
Now you want pictures.
Okay. That's easy to do.
But FIRST you have to post here EXACTLY what you understand to be the claims of the birther movement and how those claims are not racist.
Their SPECIFIC claims.
And, specifically, how those claims are not racist.
:)
The claims of the birther movement arose from questions as to the legitimacy of Barack Obama's birth certificate in Hawaii, and other issues like where Barack's mother was. Those are the only two tidbits about the birther movement that I have absorbed in the past few years. I don't remember any newscaster or commentator saying it had racist origins. I primarily watch Fox News, ABC news with Diane Sawyer, The Rachel Maddow Show, Meet the Press, This Week, and sometimes Andrea Mitchel Reports, and when I can stomach it, the Ed Schultz Show. In all their segments about the birther movement, discussions of racism rarely, if ever as I recall, entered the picture.
I have no reason to think that Barack Obama was not born in Honolulu, and that the doucmentation is authentic.
So, I've done my part as you requested. So show me the pictures of birther rallies with multiple racisit signs.
'racisit' you've embraced the humor!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=racist+tea+party+si…
"I don't know all that much about the birthers."
Wow. And yet you're willing to expound upon their virtues here. Even without you knowing much about them.
"I'm certainly not going to search ... and required commentary."
And you're not going to educate yourself on the subject.
Yet you'll still disagree with me that their beliefs are the same as written on that woman's sign.
:)
Even though you don't know what those beliefs are. Specifically.
"So, I've done my part as you requested."
Wow. You've just stated that you did not know what their claims were (or how those claims were not racist) and then you claim that you've what I "requested".
No you haven't. What I said was:
But FIRST you have to post here EXACTLY what you understand to be the claims of the birther movement and how those claims are not racist.
Their SPECIFIC claims.
And, specifically, how those claims are not racist.
Go ahead. Their SPECIFIC claims.
Not whether YOU think Obama was born in Hawaii. The claims of the BIRTHERS. Their SPECIFIC claims.
@67: I have graciously accommodated you multiple times, yet you haven't thanked me. Why is that?
"I have graciously accommodated you multiple times, yet you haven't thanked me. Why is that?"
So is your opinion of the Klan that they aren't racist because all you know about them is that they hold church picnics and support local law enforcement?
What was that you said?
"I don't know all that much about the birthers."
Wow. And yet you're willing to expound upon their virtues here. Even without you knowing much about them.
FIRST you have to post here EXACTLY what you understand to be the claims of the birther movement and how those claims are not racist.
Their SPECIFIC claims.
And, specifically, how those claims are not racist.
"Aren't you getting bored with this thread? I am. Let's call it a draw! How about it buddy?"
Yes, let us agree that racism is something that is acceptable because we are bored.
"I don't know all that much about the birthers."
Wow. And yet you're willing to expound upon their virtues here. Even without you knowing much about them.
"Your thoughts are so uncoordinated, you reel-in tangents as if they were key points from the beginning, you don't understand my positions or opinions even though I painstakingly spelled them out multiple times on two similar threads."
Really?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
You claim that the woman in that picture is a racist based solely upon the sign she is carrying.
But you claim that a GROUP that says:
Obama is African (born in Africa).
Obama is lying.
Obama is in the White House.
Is not racist.
"I don't know all that much about the birthers."
And yet you're willing to expound upon their virtues here.
"Aren't you getting bored with this thread? I am."
One day you'll wake up to the problem of racism.
In the meantime you'll just troll here.
"Very telling that you didn't provide commentary on my last sentence in @72. Must have it a little close to home."
Nope. I just don't have the need to comment on every tangent you attempt to bring up.
Like I said, one day you'll wake up to the problem of racism.
In the meantime you'll just troll here.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
That attitude is what you are defending.
That racism is what you are defending.
"Aren't you getting bored with this thread? I am."
So defending racism isn't giving you the thrill it once did?
Too bad.
"If you have surmised that I defend racism from any of my comments, then I really feel sorry for you and hope you get some help."
Here is your post:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
You are defending racism.
You claim you don't see the racism there.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
So defending racism isn't giving you the thrill it once did?
Too bad.
"Either some is a racist or isn't. Some being accused as being a racist is either a racist or not a racist."
Yeah, you might want to work on that.
Or maybe find some hobby other than defending racism.
As to whether or not you think I'm defending racism, I'm not. But you're free to believe it though, as we all have the ability to believe things that aren't true.
"As to whether or not you think I'm defending racism, I'm not."
Yes, you are. Here's your comment on it.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
GDFR, I still find it hard to believe that you don't see how Obama's race plays into the whole birther thing. Why does he merit doubt? Why have all the other presidents gotten a free pass? If it was a legitimate concern, why does it seem only the fringes of the right care?
Donald Trump is anti-Obama, and has given credence to the birthers, but there's nothing to suggest that Donald Trump is a racist. He may hate Obama, but it's because of Obama's policies and not his race.
Given these facts, to say that the birther movement is inherently racist is not accurate. If there were suspicions about the citizenship of any candidate, the other party and his adversaries would try to make the most of it.
Youâre right. Only the fringes on the right see Obamaâs birth as a legitimate concern. Itâs not a legitimate concern. Perhaps by Donald, but not by Mitt.
"He may hate Obama, but it's because of Obama's policies and not his race."
And you know that how?
Seriously, how many non-racists spout KKK slogans?
"If there were suspicions about the citizenship of any candidate, the other party and his adversaries would try to make the most of it."
And what "suspicions" are those? Specifically?
Since his birth certificate pretty clearly shows Hawaii.
Not to mention the newspaper posting.
No, the only people who believe that Obama was born in Africa (despite all the evidence) are the racists in the birther movement.
The racists that you are defending.
"No, you're wrong. I'm not defending racists."
This is what you posted:
"What does questioning Obama's birth in Hawaii (as silly as it is) have to do with racism?"
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
You are defending racists.
And here's a picture.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0F14rJwtJp8/TV…
You claim that it isn't racist to claim that the black POTUS must have been born in Africa despite all the evidence showing he was born in Hawaii.
You are defending racists.
"So which came first, the issues about Obama's birth certificate or racism against Obama?"
So you are admitting that it is racism and that you've been defending racism?
"Don't answer a question by asking another question."
LOL
That is the only thing you ever do.
Are birthers racists or not?
If not, why not?
Because it sure looks like racism to me.
The evidence so far:
Birth certificate - short form
Birth certificate - long form
Birth announcement in Honolulu Advertiser
Birth announcement in Star Bulletin
But the birthers (the people you are defending) are claiming that all of those are inaccurate or whatever. Because the black POTUS was really born in Africa. And they have no evidence of that.
Racism.
And you are defending it.