These buy/bust sweeps are not just ineffective, they're unConstitutional. They also allow SPD's undercover officers to act like street thugs while protected by a badge.
I don't think this will be enough McGinn. I am just going to have to wait for Operation the Last Starfighter to completely eliminate drugs in this city.
@8, it depends on the definition of 'problem' you are employing. Since local news doesn't bother with anything more than video editors, they'll just play the video of police with guns and report the mayor is doing something about street crime.
You lose to the troll, trollstocker: "There is no basis to believe that this approach to street-level drug activity will result in any reduction in the overall level of problematic street crime downtown," says Lisa Daugaard, deputy director of the Defender Association, a public defense firm.
Dedicating police resources to bust dime bag dealers would have prevented the shootings last week? It's a waste of the police's time, it will have them doing paperwork and sitting in crowded coutrooms waiting to testify in cases with the defense of entrapment. The people busted won't spend more than a night in jail and the charges will go no where. And tomorrow, you trolls will be on here complaining about the cost and the DOJ cracking down on the department.
Well thank god. Taxpayer money well spent. I'm infinitely more afraid of an innocuous marijuana deal over by Pike Place Market than the ever-increasing prospect of accidentally getting shot in the fucking head by some unchecked mental case.
Really enjoyed the public defender's quote in this post. Awesome journalism by The Stranger. Maybe next when you're writing a story about what Boeing should be doing you can quote a bunch of Airbus execs.
@16 I'm not sure what "entrapment" is, but you can prove an infringement of rights protected by the 4th Amendment (assuming you can afford the legal fees).
The drug warriors are not 100% wrong. Street drug dealing is associated with more serious, non-victimless street crime. A coordinated crackdown on street drug dealing has been shown to not just move it to another street, but move it off the street entirely, into houses and apartments. That's a much better place for it, because it reduces or eliminates turf battles. The problem with the drug warriors is that they aren't smart enough at that point to just declare victory and enjoy the benefits of safer streets.
If you're going to claim that these drug dealers shouldn't be arrested because of how much $ it costs the system you'd better take a stand against all governed society in general. Can you name a mechanism of local government that moves quickly, efficiently, and is definitely worth its cost?
If you think SPD is arresting dudes selling dimebags of weed, you should go hang out downtown more often. These are hardcore street drugs - dirty, life-trashing narcotics.
The critics are right of course, fixing the roots of the problem should be where the resources go. But what type of downtown do you want to walk through at night? One with dealers on the corners and people pissing in doorways, or one where you'd want your kids to play?
Well this sort of thing might clean up Pike/3rd a bit for the durration of tourist season. Which I'm sure was the only meaningful goal, here. Anyone who thinks this knocks a dent in the drug trade as a whole is deluded.
1. the regulation about driving on the right works purty good at low cost.
2. sporadic efforts on drugs do nothing.
3. oh wait, they keep it a black market ensuring super profits for drug lords.
4. oh wait, they help SPD get better public relations just when they need it most!
5. oh wait, they help mayor politically.
6. oh wait it helps when it's budget time for judges, prosecutors, police, and jail guards.
7. I change my mind, the low level drug bust is a government program that works EXACTLY AS INTENDED to help ensure a stream of money to drug lords and their symbiotic partners, the cops and politicians.
8. Think of it as a win in the market place of emotions, we get the emotion that we're doing something.
9. bonus -- the entire minority community that would rat out the shooter of james ferrari is further distrustful of the cops, scared to come forward, views them as just another gang, so voila! if the cops never solve the ferrari shooting we will never blame them instead we will silently blame those gang members and people of color but not say so as this is seattle and we are Nice.
10. I want a downtown where james ferrari wouldn't get shot, this results from legalization, the cost of drugs needs to be lower and we need to white market it all otherwise we will see more ferraris shot and dead, more cop exploitation of our fears, more question begging comments like the previous one (quick! think of ANY program that "works"!) that simply maintain the failed policies. It's worse off for the poor people in the drug ridden neighborhoods but being largely minorities we can't seem to find a way to really care about them. As ong as there are only 2 or 3 ferraris a year, we're okay with the drug trade/exploitation of minor drug players by cops for public relations points.
I would wager a large sum that you could walk down third between pike and pine this morning and pick up your drug of choice within 15 minutes. No problem.
@33, the purpose isn't to end the drug trade, its to support public safety. I could care less is drug dealers/addicts do their thing in private. It bothers me when there is an open air drug market on 3rd and Pine.
@26: "@16 I'm not sure what "entrapment" is, but you can prove an infringement of rights protected by the 4th Amendment (assuming you can afford the legal fees)."
Sounds like that "You're not a cop are you? You've gotta tell me if you're a cop" rot.
@41 is right. Cops can lie as part of doing their job, and it's not entrapment to buy drugs from someone willing to sell them. It would be entrapment if they talked you into setting up a buy that you wouldn't normally do.
The thing is, buy-bust operations like this do close to nothing. In some circumstances (like in the CD around Chocolate City/Deanos about 6 years ago) they can actually cause violent crime to INCREASE as suddenly the turf is in dispute while new dealer networks move in.
Thing is, the vast majority of people caught up in busts like these tend to be addicted users who are running in exchange for just enough to support their own habits. They often have prior convictions that are preventing them from finding other jobs, and make less than minimum wage slangin crack.
And to the trolls like SugarTit and @25 - if you think the dealers caught up in this sting are scum and beneath contempt you need to learn some compassion and forgiveness, and question some assumptions you've made about your and their place in society.
Where basically, if you're arrested and have drugs on your person, you meet with a panel consisting of a social worker, an attorney, and a psychiatrist. They can recommend a variety of steps, including inducements to treatment and counseling on down to fines and more severe penalties.
Sorta like a bigger, badder version of the Clean Dreams project we had in Seattle for a short while, before the county cut funding for it: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/clean…
Not only does this not solve the problem, it doesn't help at all. It makes it worse, actually. That's what people are saying.
By 'Defender' do you mean defendant? I never heard of a Defender Association unless you mean a group of nerds playing old video games.
I strike the last snark from the record. The other two still stand.
Mayor McGinn I will be attending a symphony at Benaroya Hall and these sweeps make me feel that much safer.
Clean up the gutters and get the drug addicts off the streets.
Kudos to SPD!
Leave it to Slog commenters to elucidate all of us on why it's bad.
Oh wait, that's legal!
Well at least there won't be as many random drive-bys where people throw dime bags at unsuspecting pedestrians.
If you think SPD is arresting dudes selling dimebags of weed, you should go hang out downtown more often. These are hardcore street drugs - dirty, life-trashing narcotics.
The critics are right of course, fixing the roots of the problem should be where the resources go. But what type of downtown do you want to walk through at night? One with dealers on the corners and people pissing in doorways, or one where you'd want your kids to play?
2. sporadic efforts on drugs do nothing.
3. oh wait, they keep it a black market ensuring super profits for drug lords.
4. oh wait, they help SPD get better public relations just when they need it most!
5. oh wait, they help mayor politically.
6. oh wait it helps when it's budget time for judges, prosecutors, police, and jail guards.
7. I change my mind, the low level drug bust is a government program that works EXACTLY AS INTENDED to help ensure a stream of money to drug lords and their symbiotic partners, the cops and politicians.
8. Think of it as a win in the market place of emotions, we get the emotion that we're doing something.
9. bonus -- the entire minority community that would rat out the shooter of james ferrari is further distrustful of the cops, scared to come forward, views them as just another gang, so voila! if the cops never solve the ferrari shooting we will never blame them instead we will silently blame those gang members and people of color but not say so as this is seattle and we are Nice.
10. I want a downtown where james ferrari wouldn't get shot, this results from legalization, the cost of drugs needs to be lower and we need to white market it all otherwise we will see more ferraris shot and dead, more cop exploitation of our fears, more question begging comments like the previous one (quick! think of ANY program that "works"!) that simply maintain the failed policies. It's worse off for the poor people in the drug ridden neighborhoods but being largely minorities we can't seem to find a way to really care about them. As ong as there are only 2 or 3 ferraris a year, we're okay with the drug trade/exploitation of minor drug players by cops for public relations points.
Sounds like that "You're not a cop are you? You've gotta tell me if you're a cop" rot.
The thing is, buy-bust operations like this do close to nothing. In some circumstances (like in the CD around Chocolate City/Deanos about 6 years ago) they can actually cause violent crime to INCREASE as suddenly the turf is in dispute while new dealer networks move in.
Thing is, the vast majority of people caught up in busts like these tend to be addicted users who are running in exchange for just enough to support their own habits. They often have prior convictions that are preventing them from finding other jobs, and make less than minimum wage slangin crack.
And to the trolls like SugarTit and @25 - if you think the dealers caught up in this sting are scum and beneath contempt you need to learn some compassion and forgiveness, and question some assumptions you've made about your and their place in society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy…
Where basically, if you're arrested and have drugs on your person, you meet with a panel consisting of a social worker, an attorney, and a psychiatrist. They can recommend a variety of steps, including inducements to treatment and counseling on down to fines and more severe penalties.
Sorta like a bigger, badder version of the Clean Dreams project we had in Seattle for a short while, before the county cut funding for it:
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/clean…