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For some people, the promise of lower taxes trumps everything.
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It's a wonder that these people don't suffer from chronic, crippling migraines, what with all the cognitive dissonance they have to fight daily.
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And this is surprising ... why, exactly?
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These people suck. They are selfish assholes.

Rmoney is not just against marriage equality he's actually for putting an anti marriage equality amendment in the US Constitution -- forcing states that already have marriage equality to outlaw those marriages again.

He is a dangerous prick and needs to be stopped.
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I'm guessing they just see it as a close-your-eyes-and-think-of-England sort of thing. Either that or they are well and truly delusional and think the establishment will, at some point, treat them like human beings.
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Some people just like money more than dignity or justice.

And that is one of the primary reasons why I, at least, actually am hostile to free-market capitalism.
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How can you be a gay conservative and endorse Romney? He's actually terrible on the things you (should) care about - the budget - and doesn't like you or people like you either. If they had endorsed Gary Johnson I would totally understand, but Romney?
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It's true, that's why he has total commies like Tim Geitner working for him! lordy.
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Almost as stupid as the "Obama is openly hostile to free market capitalism" is the constant refrain of "Romney stands for fiscal sanity". Romney has promised to dramatically increase the military budget -- 64% higher than the average post-Cold War budget, NOT INCLUDING THE PROMISED WAR ON IRAN -- while simultaneously slashing taxes but not touching Social Security or Medicare. That simply doesn't add up; it's not remotely possible. http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/more-skep…

ALL of the usual conservative talking points about fiscal policy, budgets, foreign policy, etc. are much more logically applied to Obama, not Romney. Obama is the sensible Republican candidate; there is of course no real liberal in the race. Romney is the, I dunno, total liar candidate? Doesn't-know-what-he's-talking-about candidate? Ripoff candidate? He's certainly NOT a conservative Republican.
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They support Romney for the same reason so many others have decided to be ardent conservatives: It's easier and there's more money to be made. Conservatives (Democrats and Republicans alike) support and serve the plutocracy. It's much easier and immediately rewarding to kiss the rings of the masters, even if it means your people suffer. Obama is no progressive revolutionary by a few miles, but he does represent some resistance to Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Healthcare, etc. By "free market", of course, they mean the opposite: Monopoly.
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Politics as usual
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I dunno - most gay rights groups and individuals endorsed Obama in 2008 when he articulated a staunch States' Rights position regarding equality.

Maybe like Democratic voters they "hope" that their candidate secretly holds positions contrary to those that he publicly makes.
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GOProud should look up the term "House nigger" some time.
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Hey, gay people are free to vote against their own interests just like anyone else.
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Maybe this will be of some comfort to you who are so baffled. Consider how the world would be if every single gay person had the exact same political ideology (no matter what it was). Now imagine if everyone in the entire world had the same exact political ideology (no matter what it is).

Would you want to live in a world like that?

I rest my case.

Days to election: 139
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@15 Good point. It's like if you went to a buffet and every single dish was macaroni and cheese, except there was one bowl full of fresh, steaming human feces -- you'd be so glad for that little bit of variety that you'd probably load your plate up with the feces, right? I mean, who wants to live in a world where everything is mac and cheese?
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@16 I DO! I WANT TO LIVE IN THAT WORLD!

[ Cue: 24hrs and one Monkey Paw later -
tkc wakes up in bed shocked to find entire world is made of Mac and Cheese. ]

tkc: Nooooooooooo! Noooo! N... wait a minute.

{takes bite of Mac and Cheese bed}

tkc: Mmmmmm... not so bad.

{Then turns, notices Mac and Cheese wife}

tkc: Nooooooooo! N.... hey, wait a minute...

{Cue: Porn soundtrack}
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I love how conservatives use arguments that are completely meaningless. "imagine a world where...." Dude, we live in this world, not an imaginary one.
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@18: They live in the imaginary one, though. That's why they always need more money. To buy a bigger buffer between them and reality.
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@4 is right...

President Romney will work to amend the US Constitution to outlaw homosexual "marriage".
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Heteros don't have a monopoly on shortsightedness, solipsism, and sociopathy.
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@ 16-19, have you rendered a verdict in the case of Gay Dude for Romney vs. Reality? Looks to me like you have.

@ Gay dude, having read a bit of history here and there, I'm aware of the fact that members of an oppressed minority will sometimes abandon that minority and join the oppressor, much like you have. It's the easier path to take, and what's more you get to reap the benefits of the fight when those in the right finally win it. That's a hard thing to comprehend - personally, despite my knowledge of this phenomenon, I can never really see the viewpoint of one who makes that choice, even if I understand why they do.
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15, Sorry, that is a completely useless assertion. Your case is far from "rested". Posing an imaginary impossibility that is ostensibly "worse" and saying what have now is better than something that doesn't --and won't-- exist, proves nothing at all.

The fact is that Rmoney is more than likely --much more likely-- going to look blithely away while the fanatic religious "right" steps up cultural attacks on gays. On you, personally, if you live in a "red" state or outside of an urban core. Rmoney, while obviously standing up for monopolists and capitalist titans, will allow christian bigots to run the (emotionalist) debate on pushing for an anti-gay theocratic state.

If Rmoney is elected and a year or two in some delusional gang of fucktards beat you up after leaving a bar some evening calling you "queer!", don't be too surprised or upset about it, ok?
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@ 23, "a bit more likely" than whom?
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@15...that's the stupidest thing i've read on slog in a long long LONG time
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@24 - Yes, we’ve heard these man-your-battle-station warnings about a Republican president coming. From Reagan through George W. Bush, despite White House silence and cold shoulders, gay rights and acceptance has continued on its upward trajectory. The same will be true for a Mitt Romney administration.

Oh, about those delusional gang of fucktards beating me up? They'll probably beat me up anyway no matter who's in the White House.
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So it looks like there are other gay sociopaths. And I thought we were blessed with the only one.
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@ 27, in case you forgot, the Reagan administration allowed AIDS to go on for years before finally deciding it was worth maybe putting some federal funds into combatting. You know, once straight white kids started getting it from blood transfusions. These are the same people you want back in charge.

Also, your last statement is false. Attacks on minorities ALWAYS go up when the people in charge are sympathetic to the attackers. You WILL be more likely to be attacked with Romney in the White House than you are now or would be under another Obama administration.

@ 28, where on earth are you getting the idea that LGBT youth are more likely to read Atlas Shrugged than non-LGBT youth? Is that a popular book in youth support groups or something? Show your work.
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@27 You might well be correct, that a Romney administration -- in spite of his promises -- will not actually succeed in curbing any of your civil rights. But your faith assumes either 1. Romney doesn't really intend to attempt any of the anti-gay-rights stuff he's promising, or 2. Romney will sincerely try, but fail, to curtail your rights.

So, by your own admission, you are voting for someone you hope is lying and/or incompetent. Nice job.
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@28: Obama is a liberal democrat in favor of expanding government control of our business, our health, and our privacy. That's why I still prefer Romney despite gay-friendly Barack. I'm not easily swooned by populists.

@30: It very well was a blessing in disguise that Reagan was silent on AIDS for such a long time. Could you imagine if Ronnie, not overtly anti-gay politically as he was against that ‘70s anti-gay teacher California Briggs Initiative, had acquiesced to sinister forces in the government to roundup and quarantine the queers? As it was, ACT-UP, Chicken Soup, and other community groups worked closely with health departments and the CDC nationwide; more than likely than not netting greater cooperation to testing and saving the disease from being driven underground further.

Oh, Bill Clinton was president when Matther Shepard was beat and left to die on that fence - I know that's just anecdotal, but still.
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Ruh roh! Has the Stranger revoked their "gay passes" yet?
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@31 - the answer is 1. GDfR has said as much before.

But then, he's just here to present other lies Romney has told as fact (as he has done countless times thus far), so it should be no surprise to anyone that he's completely comfortable with a pathological liar as president.
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@33.. WHOA... you went from silence = death to
reagan = ' blessing in disguise'. so, you were fine with the government of the people ignoring what amounted to plague happening among it's people because eventually they came around to testing and treatment they should have been doing in the first place ? if this same government remained silent on e-coli, swine flu, and whooping cough outbreaks we'd all be better off if we'd waited for a million grieving soccer moms to organize and cajole the agencies responsible for guarding and protecting the public health to get up off their asses and DO something ?.. is that the way it's suppose to work ?
and what the holy fuck is that anecdote about matthew shepard supposed to signify ?
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@ 32, in other words, you don't have any good reason to support your assertion.

@ 33, less likely doesn't equal zero chance. And you're statement about Reagan is basically "it could have been worse." Yes it could, and thank goodness it wasn't, but it could have been a whole hell of a lot better if the administration wasn't packed with religious homophobes. Ronnie himself might have been an okay person, but he allowed some hideous people to make the day to day decisions, just as Bush II did, and just as Rmoney would do.
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@ 37, that Matthew Shepard remark is supposed to answer what I said @ 30, regarding how attacks on a given minority are more likely to happen when government officials are hostile to that minority. That in turn was an answer to his assertion otherwise.
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@39.. thanks for clarifying what he might have meant.
as if you said that the attacks would disappear entirely under one regime as opposed to another. you didn't. next he'll be pointing to suicides among gay youth to illumine his his profoundly twisted logic
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@40: I'm quite certain that logic appears quite twisted to political history novices.

Above all, we should give respect to those, both D and R, whom give their lives to public service despite their own apparent illogical convictions, shortcomings, passions and mortality.
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When it comes to money (and the need/obsession to hold on to it), in certain quarters there is nothing and nobody that'll trump it. Remember student council and how some people wanted to get things done? Change things for the better? Then there were those who were only there to score points with administration and stay in good standing with it. They'd sell out their best friend for a better grade. Nothing would have removed their tongues from administration's ass. That's what gay Republicans are.
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@41.. which doesn't speak to the query posed to you in @34 and 37..
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@17, you win forever. Thanks for the laugh.
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Well, we know now what Dan Savage and the Stranger think about gays who don't march in lockstep with them, I wonder what word Savage and the Stranger have for blacks that want to vote Republican?
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@27

Damn, are you serious?

First of all, Reagan is the major reason for all the setbacks for gays in the first place. During the 70s gay rights was making huge leaps forward. If it hadn't have been for Reagan, who ignored AIDS and who allowed the fundamentalists into the Republican Party en masse, gays and lesbian rights would be much further along than they are today.

Maybe DADT would never have happened and gays and lesbians might have been allowed to serve openly decades ago. Maybe marriage equality would be the law of the land NOW.

It's Reagan and the fundies that have set back gay and lesbian rights for decades.

By the way, gay rights and acceptance "has continued on its upward trajectory" because of Democrats, not Republicans.

There's progress but it's not because of people like you, it's in spit of you.
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@28: Obama is a liberal democrat in favor of expanding government control of our business, our health, and our privacy
You are completely high.

Obama's health care plan is (a) private and (b) an explicit copy of Romney's, which he now disavows. IT IS THE SAME PLAN.

And you man Romney has pledged to increase the federal budget by ~25% while simultaneously slashing taxes, thereby widening up a deficit that will make Obama's look like a crack in the sidewalk.

It's like you guys don't even listen to what's been fed to you. Your candidate is the EXACT OPPOSITE of everything you think he is. He's the most fiscally reckless candidate in the history of the United States.

Oh, and he's promised a new war, too. That's not in that defense budget he's promised, either, so make that more like DOUBLE the federal budget.
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@47 - Yes, I suppose tepid and anemic economic growth is what you see is the preferable course with Obama. Doubtless you enjoy the heartstrings comparing this to the Great Depression, absolving Obama for well over his first term simply because of the calamity brought on by his predecessor, George W. Bush, as Hoover was to Roosevelt.
Forever entrenched you are in the auto-reflexive retort, “Well, it could have been so much worse had Obama not done what he did; he was dealt a disaster.”
He was dealt a disaster with the collapse in 2008. He did some good things.
But we can do better than four more years of sluggish growth.
Our corporations are sitting on mountains of cash, ready to hire, but remain uncertain.
You can try and say that the problem is not enough demand, and say that corporations are wrong for their hesitancy; but that doesn’t change their mind, now does it?

Obama's departure surely will.
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In case no one has pointed it out so far -- my eyes are a little tired and I may have missed it -- it's also possible that some gays just have a really good sense of humor and appreciate a guy who still chuckles when he recalls holding down a gay underclassman with a bunch of his upperclassman pals and forcibly giving the little queer a haircut. I mean, be honest now -- hilarious, right?
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@48: ...so corporations are unsure about new hiring and investment because they think that Obama doesn't like them, so the best way to help is to elect someone who has been bought and paid for by corporate funds. Yup, I see what you're saying.
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@48: So are you going to respond in any way to what #47 said, or are you just going to invent a side to an argument no one was making, especially not #47.

It is amazing how much like Romney you seem to be here...no ideas, no answers, no substance, just tired talking points and garden variety lies.
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@51: Oh please, @47 is totally awash with recycled and sophomoric rhetoric. Sorry Fnarf.
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@54..i'll miss you. see you when you get back..
... you are coming back ?...
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@30 - I actually think Ken Mehlman is saying, simply enough, that gay youth are somewhat more likely to have read much of anything of cultural significance (even such dubious significance as Rand's work) at an impressionable age (i.e., late enough in life that it can be superficially understood, but early enough that neither its real implications nor its aesthetic poverty are likely, yet, to be clear).
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@52, you didn't answer my point at all. Romney has promised explicitly to peg the baseline military budget at 4% of GDP. That's not rhetoric, it's fact. That's what he's promised to do.

4% is dramatically higher than it was during the entirety of the Cold War. Not rhetoric -- fact.

He claims he can do this without cutting Social Security or Medicare, and while simultaneously slashing taxes yet again. Not rhetoric -- fact. He really does say this.

He has also promised to attack Iran the day he takes office. Not rhetoric -- fact.

Many, many commentators, including professional economists on the left AND ON THE RIGHT have warned that his numbers do not add up. What he says he's going to do is flat-out impossible.

How do you answer that? You can't. You got nothing. You don't even know what your own candidate believes.

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