Why are you cheer leading for the demise of the last locally-owned, daily newspaper in Seattle, Dominic? Seriously? You can't tell the difference between editorial positions and the value of having professional journalists cover local, state and regional issues? I get that you don't like Frank's editorial stands. But we already are losing quality journalism in this area, and Eli Sanders aside, you won't find much of it in the Stranger. Please grow up -- at least a little.
Love it, but the link wouldn't work for me. I predict the Seattle Times legal department might have an issue with the name...but that will be fun also, no?
Seriously? Just because you sometimes disagree with their reporting and editorials, you want them to fail? You think Seattle would be better off with fewer news outlets? What kind of fair minded, open minded reporter would do that except out of vindictiveness?
Fuck you Holden, you're not a journalist, you're a fucking hack. Can't wait until someone throws your ass under the bus.
@3 You're also saying that if it's not print, it's not valid. The PI is STILL THERE, and KOMO's online reporting has been pretty great lately. And it's WORSE when it's not editorials, because their bias still shines through in their non-editorial pieces, only with less honesty. Good riddance, free Seattle Times.
@11 - The PI has morphed into a puddle of crap though.
I haven't bothered to visit in a while, but last time I did it was cat photos and celebrity gossip. I think the Seattle Times is still important to the community.
Can I get a Free Seattle Times t-shirt? Seriously, no way I'm paying $4/week for content. Maybe $1/week, but even then I'd likely work around it through other news sources.
I love this! With a list like this, watching twitter light up during breaking news will be amazing.
I like to follow a few individual reporters:
@ChrisGrygiel (Seattle news editor for the AP)
@Jim_Brunner (Seattle Times)
@ChrisDaniels5 (King5)
@joshtrujillo (PI)
I get the Times delivered to my door everyday. And I'm glad I do. If the PI were still around, I'd get that too. Four bucks a week for the Times online seems completely reasonable.
@21. Exactly. You want something (like schools, like social services, like adequate transit), you pay for it. The Seattle Times, is IMO (editorial gasbags notwithstanding) worth four lattes a month. Don't like it but you want it for free? Huh? I can't square the sense of entitlement with regards to the Seattle Times website with the otherwise laudable Stranger commitment to raising taxes for government services and infrastructure.
[ "Free Seattle Times?" Nice TWITTER LINK LIST. Please....]
The Stranger is "free" because of a it has a great business model. It is completely inundated with ads, online and in print. This is fantastic. Thank god its around. Still, this city has room for one publication like The Stranger. There is one in every cultural capital in the U.S. Not two.
If you are shit out of luck in this regard and are attempting to run a daily newspaper, then you do what you can, no?
I'm with Dominic and Goldy. I would LOVE to see hundreds of folks in Seattle lose their jobs. Union jobs at that! I get giddy just thinking about. And for Seattle to be the first big city without a daily paper? That would be so cool!
@28 - depends on how you define 'big city.' The New Orleans Times-Picayune ceased daily publication last year, making NOLA the largest city in America without a daily printed newspaper.
Not unique? Look at The Seattle Times' coverage of the drunk driver who hit the four pedestrians in Wedgewood, then look at everyone else's. They have tons more depth and information gleaned from time-consuming review of public records.
And this is routine. Ask the radio and TV reporters around town how they start their days and where they get most of their information, and they will tell you: the Times.
Did these several weeks ago - using robots. Have been tweaking them ever since, but robots are squirrelly. It's a paper-y layout style that works on iPhone, iPad, etc....
Still some kinks, but EZ on the eyes. Automatically updated twice a day.
It's high time The Stranger put up a paywall and an expensive one as well. Only then will we think twice before wasting precious time writing comments that people love to disagree with.
The new pay wall @ $4/wk is unfortunate, and frankly too much. I do enjoy the local reporting - especially from talented reporters like Lynda Mapes - and the arts reporting - Paul de Barros' writing on the local music scene, esp. jazz, is a treasure. For $2/wk, i'd consider subscribing, but $200/yr is too much.
blackhook, that's exactly how I feel. I want to support a local daily paper in spite of the right-wing editorial crap. But not at $4/week, which works out to 96 cents MORE per month than digital access to the NYT (which I can't help feeling deserves my money more).
As a former employee, I'm guessing one reason they made it the same price as Sunday + digital is to up Sunday distribution and print subscription numbers, hoping people would just go ahead and get Sunday since it doesn't cost any extra. Irritating, and I'm really reluctant to pay that much for digital access.
The perils of getting your news from twitter. Or better, the perils of "journalists" reporting based on their twitter feed: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/re…
@37, the unionized workforce in America is now at just slightly more than 11%, and very few workplaces provide pensions. Your criticism of The Stranger, a small business if there ever was one, for those lacks is silly.
@44 "Your criticism of The Stranger, a small business if there ever was one, for those lacks is silly."
Ahhhh, so it's ok for small businesses to treat employees like shit and not offer union scale wages, work rules and benefits, and to then try to financially undermine those in the same business that do offer union scale wages, good work conditions and benefits. Got it.
lol... paywall? What paywall? Just delete the "content_meter" cookie from seattletimes.com :D
And to pile on... they mostly do good journalism over there, which I would be willing to support. But I'm not willing to support the constant cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face editorializing they do. If they ever realize it's their out-of-touch editorial board costing them subscriptions, maybe some day they will change. (Not holding my breath).
If the Stranger's readers don't sign up for the Seattle Times's paywall, who loses? No one. They weren't buying the paper anyway. To the extent they were reading it, they were freeloading. So nothing's lost.
Ehh, I mean, technically, Dominic *is* a hack. He is a purported journalist who (self-admittedly) didn't even attain a high school diploma.
It's beyond him to value multiple sources, or bureaus that can afford in-depth reporting -- be it undercover, across/outside our county and state, etc. No, what matters to him is seeing a perceived enemy suffer.
@44 you're comment is ridiculous. the newspaper guild would be more than happy to welcome the stranger staff. it includes much smaller newspapers than the times. there is no reason small shops cannot be organized. protections and bargaining rights are important no matter where you are employed.
@3: "You can't tell the difference between editorial positions and the value of having professional journalists cover local, state and regional issues?"
The New York Times is $15/ month (online). The Seattle Times is at least $16/ month. Do you really think the Seattle Times has better coverage than the NY Times? The NY Times is totally worth it. Great, in depth reporting of various issues and an editorial board that doesn't totally suck. The Seartle Times, to me, might be worth a couple of bucks a month.
Dom's both a good reporter and a good writer. His schooling or lack thereof doesn't matter.
@52, I have no idea how much The Stranger pays; probably very little. My point was that pensions are very rare now, as are union jobs, and neither should be considered criteria as to whether a company is a good employer or not in 2013.
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Love it, but the link wouldn't work for me. I predict the Seattle Times legal department might have an issue with the name...but that will be fun also, no?
Fuck you Holden, you're not a journalist, you're a fucking hack. Can't wait until someone throws your ass under the bus.
http://rainiervalleypost.com
http://seattleglobalist.com
/FOADST
I haven't bothered to visit in a while, but last time I did it was cat photos and celebrity gossip. I think the Seattle Times is still important to the community.
I like to follow a few individual reporters:
@ChrisGrygiel (Seattle news editor for the AP)
@Jim_Brunner (Seattle Times)
@ChrisDaniels5 (King5)
@joshtrujillo (PI)
A favorite post this month is at the Atlantic, "American News Consumers Have Gained the World but Lost Their Backyards": http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch…
[ "Free Seattle Times?" Nice TWITTER LINK LIST. Please....]
The Stranger is "free" because of a it has a great business model. It is completely inundated with ads, online and in print. This is fantastic. Thank god its around. Still, this city has room for one publication like The Stranger. There is one in every cultural capital in the U.S. Not two.
If you are shit out of luck in this regard and are attempting to run a daily newspaper, then you do what you can, no?
And this is routine. Ask the radio and TV reporters around town how they start their days and where they get most of their information, and they will tell you: the Times.
Why include "Paywall" in the headline?
Yes. No unions, cheap labor costs, zero pension.
Still some kinks, but EZ on the eyes. Automatically updated twice a day.
http://www.northwestdaily.com
As a former employee, I'm guessing one reason they made it the same price as Sunday + digital is to up Sunday distribution and print subscription numbers, hoping people would just go ahead and get Sunday since it doesn't cost any extra. Irritating, and I'm really reluctant to pay that much for digital access.
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/re…
Ahhhh, so it's ok for small businesses to treat employees like shit and not offer union scale wages, work rules and benefits, and to then try to financially undermine those in the same business that do offer union scale wages, good work conditions and benefits. Got it.
But what would The Stranger say?
And to pile on... they mostly do good journalism over there, which I would be willing to support. But I'm not willing to support the constant cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face editorializing they do. If they ever realize it's their out-of-touch editorial board costing them subscriptions, maybe some day they will change. (Not holding my breath).
It's beyond him to value multiple sources, or bureaus that can afford in-depth reporting -- be it undercover, across/outside our county and state, etc. No, what matters to him is seeing a perceived enemy suffer.
A little telling that Mr. Keck commented here....
I don't know, can they tell the difference?
@52, I have no idea how much The Stranger pays; probably very little. My point was that pensions are very rare now, as are union jobs, and neither should be considered criteria as to whether a company is a good employer or not in 2013.