@ 1, when you reflect that the bigger rules from the Bible (like "don't steal" and "don't kill") are also real obvious, you have to wonder what's so wrong with people that they have to receive divine instruction on the subject.
Ostriches? The version Goldy cites includes them, but not the King James version. When did they become off-limits? And are swans now OK because the CEV doesn't include them? I'm so confused about which flying things I can and can't eat.
This is clear evidence that God the bible author believes in evolution. Bats are more closely related to humans -- humans and bats being mammals -- than the birds, so it's God showing us that He understands the relationships that He has created in His scheme of evolution.
Oh, sorry. Bats are set apart in the list. You're not supposed to eat any of them. But God (the writer of the Bible) made a distinction between bats and birds. Bats look an awful lot like birds, so He's dropping a hint that they are not actually birds. If He had simply created all the animals with wings, there would not have been any point in categorizing bats separately from birds. It's subtle. But clear. It's one of those tricks God plays -- you have to use your brain to figure out what the fuck He's talking about.
I suppose there's always going to be some idiot willing to eat anything. Biologically speaking though, longevity tends to favor finicky eaters.
The problem with encoding such a directive into religion is that those inclined to eat anything will do so regardless of your command, however discretely or, if caught, seeking absolution or rationale. Those inclined to pickiness do not need it.
Eating bats and other edible birds set apart the pagans from the Christians. Read Deuteronomy 13 and you will find instructions on what to do with bat eaters and the like...
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
6-10 Someone else may say to you, “Let’s worship other gods.” That person may be your best friend, your brother or sister, your son or daughter, or your own dear wife or husband. But you must not listen to people who say such things. Instead, you must stone them to death. You must be the first to throw the stones, then others from the community will finish the job. Don’t show any pity.
No bats but you can eat grasshoppers and locusts. They are specifically referenced as being kosher and 'safe' to eat.
I ate a sauteed cricket back in November at the ESA conference. I didn't care for it. I was told the waxworms were good though. They looked too weird to me and weren't kosher.
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If you're really hip (or unhip), you'll remember when the evil Reed Richards from Counter-Earth tossed the real Reed Richards into the Negative Zone wearing nothing but shorts. The real Reed Richards managed to grab a floating rock to rest on, and eventually caught a Negative Zone bat that he ate.
@23 -- Ozzy worships the dark lord. He reads the bible backwards and does everything it says to not do. And he's banned for life from entering Texas for pissing on the Alamo.
But this is in direct conflict with Monty Python and the Holy Grail:
...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O LORD, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the LORD did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats
Fruit bats are considered a delicacy for the Chamorro People, if you ever visit Guam and get invited to a Chamorro home you may be served bat, this is a problem because the species of bat native to Guam is endangered
Uhhh, pigeons are flying rats, not bats.... Although neither are rodentia..;-D I have eaten bat on Guam. Along with dog, the Guamanians like to serve bats to strangers....good with noodles or rice..
I don't know if the writers knew about Rabies when this section of Deuteronomy was written, but I am guessing that they knew like with trichonosis and pigs, that it is probably not a good thing to eat animals that acquire rabies at a large rate.
@21 Deuteronomy isn't interested in differentiating pagans and Christians, because at the time it was written Christ had not yet been born. Christ also said that what came out of ones mouth was more important than what went in, though I don't recall any stories about him eating bats.
I always do better with rules when someone tells me *why* I have to do, or not do, something. "Don't eat bats, or you'll die a horrible death like crazy uncle Rehab" works for me, whereas "don't do x" just makes me want to do it in order to find out why it would be a bad thing.
@45 its difficult to pinpoint but these dietary rules usually had a reason behind them. Perhaps bats were seen as valuable for their predation on insects. Hoopoes (also listed in that Deut verse) are a protected species in nearly every country they inhabit for that reason.
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That wasn't Jesus. It was Peter, when people got all up in his grill about eating unclean food with unclean people.
I've always felt that "nothing that enters a man's body from the outside makes him impure" is an underrated New Testament verse that applies as much to homosexuality as it does to bacon.
And obviously bugs are too gross to eat. Duh.
The problem with encoding such a directive into religion is that those inclined to eat anything will do so regardless of your command, however discretely or, if caught, seeking absolution or rationale. Those inclined to pickiness do not need it.
But Calvin would tell Susie that he had maggot sandwiches for lunch, so clearly he's not afraid of eating anything other than salmon.
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Deuteronomy 13:6-10
6-10 Someone else may say to you, “Let’s worship other gods.” That person may be your best friend, your brother or sister, your son or daughter, or your own dear wife or husband. But you must not listen to people who say such things. Instead, you must stone them to death. You must be the first to throw the stones, then others from the community will finish the job. Don’t show any pity.
I ate a sauteed cricket back in November at the ESA conference. I didn't care for it. I was told the waxworms were good though. They looked too weird to me and weren't kosher.
If you're really hip (or unhip), you'll remember when the evil Reed Richards from Counter-Earth tossed the real Reed Richards into the Negative Zone wearing nothing but shorts. The real Reed Richards managed to grab a floating rock to rest on, and eventually caught a Negative Zone bat that he ate.
And did Ozzy Osbourne actually eat the bat?
And must not eat bats? Even if the old bat pleads for it?
But this is in direct conflict with Monty Python and the Holy Grail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DShTxEmL…
Bats, not so much.
It doesn't count if you don't swallow.
That wasn't Jesus. It was Peter, when people got all up in his grill about eating unclean food with unclean people.
I've always felt that "nothing that enters a man's body from the outside makes him impure" is an underrated New Testament verse that applies as much to homosexuality as it does to bacon.
Still, bats and seagulls? No thanks.