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is it about declining property values?
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Its probably the work of Idaho Power, the power company that thinks they are so great a state was named after them. They have a lot of money and power and are known for throwing there weight around in opposition to wind power.
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I mean their
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(guessing) Lower property values?
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Hmm, but I thought the typical Seattle fuckwit was so much smarter than everyone else. I guess not. What they're trying to say is that when you erect view-destroying windmills, you are selling what shouldn't be sold.

Maybe that didn't occur to you because your only objection to prostitution is that there isn't a hookers' union. Smart, very smart.
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Billboards are unsightly and invasive.
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"Cecily, dear, where did you get that indecently short dress? And please stop pinwheeling your arms like that. What will people think of us?"
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Coal.
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Idaho is a big coal producer. I'm guessing clean energy is threatening because once going, wind turbines don't employ many people. There are really very few people in Idaho who would give a rat's ass for a view over money. Have you seen the open pits, toxic ponds and slag heaps there?
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I think the meth thing is supposed to imply you'll end up pimping your pre-teen daughter for meth money.

@5- There is a hooker's union. Your ignorance knows no bounds.
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@5 That's certainly a very long way to a ham sandwich. And more pointedly, "selling what shouldn't be sold" is the core argument for renewables and against fossil fuels.
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the montana meth project has done a lot of amazing PSAs but i agree, that one is terrible.
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Are they trying to make a shitty joke whose punchline is 'they blow'?
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when your state is filled with huge swaths of nothing, the presence of something is offensive.
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@14 Close - I think the punchline is "you're/we're getting fucked".
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@5, 'erect,' HEE HEE!
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Not nearly as hilarious as the domestic beer/violence ad... *eyeroll*

And the "now I have a prostitute" ad is deplorable.
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I fail to see how property values could be affected one way or the other, given that wind farms are almost exclusively constructed on vast swaths of open range-land, which, as a general rule, does not contain, nor is even in the vicinity of large housing tracts.

I mean, what view or amenity would actually be negatively impacted? The ability to view cows from a great distance while speeding down the freeway at 70 mph?
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@19, plus the presence of the wind farm means they probably aren't going to build an ugly-ass housing development in the middle of your view. I'd take the wind turbines over that any day.
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I think billboards are offensive, idiotic, and unnecessary in the GPS/smartphone age, but Lamar Advertising (the owner of that billboard) could do worse:
Lamar... has used recyclable, polyethylene printing substrate in place of non-recyclable glued paper since 2006 and has recently switched from vinyl substrate to a similar polyethylene one for other jobs. It also uses UV light to cure the inks printed on its substrates instead of evaporating solvents, eliminating VOC's (Volatile Organic Compounds).
And this would tend to embarrass whoever paid for that message if it were to end up on the internet somehow (same link):
Lamar has reduced the energy consumption of its billboards by 50% by switching to a new lighting system and is currently using solar panels and testing wind turbines to power some of its outdoor advertising network.
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Nice, 21. Nice.
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Here's a possible explanation: Rural areas are typically short of females, because the employment mix tends to have a disproportionate number of stereotypically male jobs. They also place a high value on virginity due to their old-timey church values. The lack of job opportunities for women and the shortage of men whose jobs pay enough to support a stay-at-home mom push a fair number of the women who don't migrate to the big city into prostitution, sometimes with the help of a meth addiction. So you've got an obsession with prostitution. Ironically they vote for the party that makes the underlying economic problem worse, because they are too uneducated to realize that social decay isn't caused by "social issues".
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@2 and 8 yes, that's probably it. Idaho Power is pissed that decentralized renewables are taking a bite out of its monopoly and the coal industry hates the competition similarly. The prostitution thing is all about playing to the biases of the intended audience and nothing to do with the real intention.
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@21 easily wins the thread.
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There's definitely some weirdos out there regarding wind. I was working the Home Show when a really horrid old man came out of nowhere to harangue me about how the electric rates are going up because of wind (which they're not) and he would not listen to reason, or even have a discussion.
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#9, I realize that like every other Seattle fuckwit, you think you know jack shit about anything, and that you operate not on facts but on your pagan faith. But what the hell, I just thought I'd tell your idiot, ignorant, Seattle fuckwit ass that Idaho doesn't produce any coal. Not that it will matter, because when you're a Seattle fuckwit you just make up whatever bullshit sounds good at the time.
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#26, I realize that like every other Seattle fuckwith, you think you know jack shit about anything, but what the hell, I thought I'd tell you that electric rates from wind turbines are far, far higher than from hydroelectric dams or even from Puget Sound Energy's dirty coal plant in Montana. But like every other Seattle fuckwit who makes it up as they go along, you don't give a rat's ass about what's true.
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Oh Unbrainwashed, how you do prattle on....
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Oh Catalina, how you do suck my dick.
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Unbrainwashed dear, I admit to having had very low standards when it comes to men, but I do have standards. Thus, you will have to continue to depend upon your mother for your fellatio needs.

But please do enlighten us all as to how, exactly, City Light's rates are affected by wind power. The information - real information, not just your wild supposings, is readily out there. Maybe you can look it up during study hall?

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#31, oh my you give good head. Stupid gals always do. You might want to check into City Light's scheduled major rate increase and get back to us. Oh, and I do realize that you don't care about anything that happens outside of Seattle, so I won't tell you what the wind turbine rates are doing to the Olympic Peninsula.
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Well, you're right that I don't much care about the peninsula. You people get some of my tax money, isn't that enough? But again, you're avoiding the issue.

Yes, City Light rates went up 5% on January 1 (sort of. The lower residential rate actually went down a tiny bit) and there are 5% rate increases scheduled for the next four years. Anyone who can read the paper knows that. But you still haven't told us how much of those rate increases are due to wind power.

And we're supposed to be the fuckwits here in Seattle? All you do is make vague uninformed generalizations in an ambivalent manner. I'm sorry that you evidentially made some bad decisions in your life, and are looking for someone to blame for the situation you find yourself in, but maybe you need to take a look at yourself. After all, acknowledging you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery, dear.
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#33, I live in Seattle, but I'm not a fuckwit who cares only about myself, like you are. I'm glad you're fine with the gigantic rate increases on the way. It's one of the many examples of the Seattle fuckwits like you who pretend to give a fuck about the working people struggling to make ends meet, but turn around and stick it to them whenever you need to feel good about your pathetic, selfish selves.
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I think some of the objections to wind turbines have to do with noise. And possibly birds getting ninja'd.
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Funny thing about the fuckwits who pontificate about wind turbines is that hardly any of them have ever been anywhere near one. Yes, they make noise. No, they don't "ninja" the birds. That's a myth. Wind turbines aren't any more hazardous to birds than any other structure that tall. Of course, not that any Seattle fuckwit will ever go see for himself.

The big issue with wind turbines is what they do to scenic vistas, and with the cost of the energy derived from them. Washington State's policies on both wind and solar are driven by Seattle fuckwits who a) place no value on the environment, which includes the wide open spaces, and b) no absolutely nothing (and care even less) about the numbers and the alternatives.

Remember, you are the same fuckwits who, a) banned plastic grocery bags even though the replacements cause much more global warming and other forms of pollution, and b) are ga-ga about farmer's markets even though they are notorious energy consumers because of the laughable inefficiency of bringing the stuff from farm to market.

In Seattle, it's never actually about the environment. It's about self-esteem and the appearance of caring about the environment, even if your "green" actions directly degrade it. And then you wonder why so many people regard you so poorly.
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Unbrainwashed: Take a Valium and a nap already, huh?
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Unbrainwashed dear, no one can love you until you learn to love yourself.

Let go and let God.
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#37 and #38, like the rest of fuckwits who inhabit Seattle and vote for the pathetic fuckwits who run it, the last thing you want to do is find out the truth. Same goes for the Stranger, which could easily demand that City Light show how much it pays per kWh for wind vs. how much it pays for the rest of its power. You're cowards, and so is the Stranger. So instead, you want me to be on drugs like you are.
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Unbrainwashed dear, We can only live our lives one day at a time no matter how hard we try to do otherwise.
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But Catalina, surely you can suck two dicks at a time, no?
42
Unbrainwashed, discussing my talents is not what's important right now. What's important is that you begin the process of self-healing. Remember, Life is 10% what you make it and 90% how you take it. We're all here for you.
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You're here for me, but not for the Olympic Peninsula, because you're a Seattle fuckwit whose vision stops at the city line. Is that about the size of it, then?
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I'm glad to see you're beginning to realize you have a problem, unbrainwashed, but projection is just a tool of denial. What you need is a bigger, more forgiving toolbox. Maybe a mantra?
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Cat, I think you need a high colonic. You can donate the residue to your good friends at the Bullitt Foundation, and they can sprinkle it on the front lawn.
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Oh just bang each other already.
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Unbrainwashed, healing is a package that you have to sign for. Projection is the equivalent of ignoring the doorbell. Why not have the courage to open that door? I think you'll find that the gift is well worth it.
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I just wanna say right now, Catalina, you are my new hero for working with UnButtwashed on his healing and anger issues.
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Actually #48, Cat's a she, and her blowjobs are like heroin(e). She addicks me.
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Unbrainwashed dear, I am whatever you want me to be. This is the Internet, after all.

But let's focus on you: Remember, more powerful than the will to win is the courage to begin. When will you take that step to begin?
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Cat, are you an alcoholic? I was with one of them, and I recognize your 12-step speak, especially the insincerity of it all.
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No, I just google "recovery platitudes" to use on you. Sometimes I just make them up. I thought that one about the package and the doorbell was particularly clever of me.
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Cat, it's okay to be an alcoholic, as long as you own your addiction.
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Humility is not thinking less of yourself, but thinking of yourself less, unbrainwashed.
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If you got chlamydia from a wind turbine, then you probably misunderstood what they meant by wind power.
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Thanks for that, #55. It gives me more insight into Catalina.
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If you're still confused, maybe these words from an economist can help:

"I can help out by explaining, ma'am. There is essentially no economic justification for wind power in most of the places it is being "used." It is expensive, noisy, and inefficient. It uses, if you account for the costs of placing, repairing, and decommissioning the wind "farms," and putting out fires, FAR more energy than it produces. There were questions from the outset, as here. If you actually wanted relatively safe, clean energy, you'd favor nuclear power, as here. Wind power is actually dangerous, in addition to being a waste of money.

Thus, the only reason that states and counties get all tarted up in red lipstick and short skirts to attract those wind-sailors is the federal and state subsidies, which are enormous distortions of actual investment incentives. That is, you can "make money," but only by pimping out your land to create noise, fire, and environmental damage. There is no energy payoff, so you are just doing it for the quick subsidy cash. I hope that clears it up, ma'am, and perhaps you should read something other than Daily Kos-titute."

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Thanks Hawkeyetarian for a real explanation, This argument makes sense. I live within 30 miles of this billboard and every time I see it It bothers me. I don't know what the core message is. What's the result of prostitution that the billboard wants us to think of? money being exchanged for a service? feelings of depravity?
I'm from Idaho, I'm pretty sure people here don't have strong feelings for or against wind turbines. It's not something with defined for and against views like abortion. If you see a sign about abortion you pretty much know what the message is.
It bothered me that unbrainwashed kept calling you people Seattle fuckwits, I don't have anything against people from Seattle. But wow some of your attitudes against people from Idaho make me think unbrainwashed was right.
Idaho is not a coal state
Having the name of a state or city in the name of a utility company is not unusual
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His name is Frank VanderSloot - Owner of Maleleuca. He is the guy behind the billboards - very right on the Republican scale. Coal producer? Check your facts....Sheesh
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@9 No, Idaho does not produce much coal. And some of the argument against and for wind farms is that they are expensive because of the high amount of human labor involved to make them and keep them repaired and operating. Those who argue for them tout the jobs that can be created by investing in wind and solar.

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