Reality check - next time you hit up a fast food joint (or place like it), take a look around and see how many people aren't teenagers just starting out.
"What we're getting right now isn't fare and not right," complains Durocher, who works an average of only 27 hours a week. "I would love to work more, but they keep us all just below full time so that we don't benefits."
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"Workers?" She's the only one who walked out. Also, were franchise owned, not corporate. So any message she's hoping to drive to corporate Taco Bell is completely misfired.
I live within earshot of this thing... they're definitively out there and have been since 11.
Who the hell is making the schedule over there? That is just bad planning.
for a decent wage and, hopefully, benefits. Those workers
have a hard job and deserve no less. We won them sick leave
via city ordinance but this step is theirs, with public support.
If their wages go up then the motivation is there for everybody's
wages to go up.
It's easy if you try
Seriously, who in their right mind would eat that garbage? I wouldn't feed it to a dog.
You can tell yourself it's an independent business, but it's really part of PepsiCo. It's a walk-in vending machine cleverly arranged to suck profit out of the area while leaving most of the risk in the hands of a regional manager who probably thinks of himself or herself as an owner.
I mean, there's no trips to London in there, no five-star meals, no champagne, maybe even no car, and no home ownership, but are we saying we want to guarantee people access to those things? We're also talking about people keeping a minimum wage job for life, and I don't think that's something we want to encourage. What we do want to encourage is people acquiring more skills and earning more money.
Also, I'm completely supportive of these workers' rights to organize and bargain collectively. But they're not going to get much more than they have now. The business model they're a part of depends on people who have no relative skills working for very little.
I know this is barely coherent, but here this: do we think people "deserve" a certain standard of living, and if so, what is that? (Remembering that minimum wage nowadays gets you a way better standard of living than most people enjoyed in times past.)
I feel a little bad for Ms. Durocher, she's definitely losing her job.
I'm excited to read about this strike. There's no good reason for Pepsi-Co and corporate leaders to profit lavishly while their front line workers endure starvation wages, unpredictable and insufficient schedules, and the disrespect of the general (uninformed) public. These jobs should pay well enough to be a stepping stone (like the entry-level union-protected jobs of the past that used to exist prior to the shift to a service economy in the 1980s, to remind all of those people who feel free to comment but apparently have missed the last 30 years), rather than the trap that they so often are.
Yeah, you don't get more than minimum for bending tacos. Sorry, it's a job for teenagers. If you are in your 40's, slaving away at the the bell and trying to raise a family, well that's your fuck up.
Every poor person I have ever met has had an excuse as to why they were poor.
This is why we need Obamacare, or better yet, Medicare For All
I wish everyone could start extremely poor so they could learn just how "easy" it is to somehow magically make something of themselves without the resources or structure that many here were lucky enough to be able take for granted.
Reality check - next time you hit up a fast food joint (or place like it), take a look around and see how many people aren't teenagers just starting out. Then try and understand how someone might end up doing that work and have some compassion for once.
This is why we need Obamacare, or better yet, Medicare For All. How's anyone supposed to pay for health insurance, or health care @ fee for each service, on $20K per year? Or, in this case, $12,500/year before FICA?. Much less dental or save for retirement?
But on the other hand, fast food work a limiting low-skill job. It should be viewed as a stop-gap or a stepping stone, worked by teens and maybe college students to build work experience and get a modest paycheck as they work toward something greater. It's not a feasible career, nor should it be. I knew when I worked at Blockbuster during college that it wasn't my future, nor was the experience even that relevant to the career I was working toward. But the paycheck helped me keep my head above water and I got to watch a bunch of movies in the process.
This will play out however it plays out, and it won't affect me in the slightest, as you couldn't pay me to eat the dog food these places sling.
I'm sure poor people with limited options can't wait for you to tell them what jobs they can or shouldn't take based on your moral outrage at their employment and all those marginally beneficial workplaces I'm sure are there with open arms, willing to either add to or replace their current staff to make it happen. Especially since unemployment right now is hovering at 0% all over the country and those who worked at moderately beneficial positions still have their jobs and aren't forced to take things below their skill level because that's all that's available. And the economy has been perfect for years and nobody is underwater with their mortgages either and anyone who works hard enough can be anything they want unless they're lazy fuckwits... right? In fact, if you're not a CEO on multiple boards, you just didn't work hard enough and should be treated with contempt by anyone who has a better job than you.
So yes, please provide a list of acceptable employment options immediately.
Huh, nobody here is a teenager or just starting out. But they are all illegal immigrants, probably working for far less than the miminum wage.
Your white, Seattle privilege is showing.
If you're flip-flopping gummy bears into ice cream at Coldstone Creamery and complaining about not being able to support your family, you need to get on a different pathway, not demand more money. I don't think it's the job of Our Corporate Overlords® to compensate people for having no skills.
And I strongly, strongly doubt the majority of the workforce in fast food is made up of "career individuals" in the first place. People don't even work at decent places like Dick's for more than a few years, and that chain is the local mensch of the business.
I promised myself after my first job (Chic-fil-a at 15) I'd never work food service again. I broke that promise for five days when I bused tables at the IHOP at E Madison and Broadway. Here's an empathetic FUCK.THAT.SHIT. for all the people working fast food. Thank goodness I got hired as a Kelly Girl.
You can't organize fast food workers. They're part of the less-than-American market. They'd have better jobs if they could get them, but America loves it some cheap labor.
Plain and simple you're an asshole if you make a good wage and pretend you don't make it off the backs of the less-than-American work force. You're just as bad as the trust-fundians who "earned" their money by not overspending their allowance and the Republicans who think we're too generous for offering the less-than-Americans who grow, pick, cook, process, and serve us our food cheaper health insurance.
Labor: you're either with us or against us.
>Plain and simple you're an asshole if you make a good wage and pretend you don't make it off the backs of the less-than-American work force.
Uh... are we talking about migrant workers who work for farmers or the unappreciated geniuses who flip burgers at Wendy's? I don't give a fat fuck about "labor" in fast food. That entire industry could disappear and my life would be no different.
Thank you for playing Slog.
I love all the rotten scabs here! @41 is right.
Film at 11 ...
Did you write this article on an iPhone?
Also, those Taco Bell employees should ask their minimum wage comrades in NY what they make per hour (it's $7.25, $5.50 for tipped employees).
I think people are inventing a false choice between improvement of working conditions in fast food and improvement of working conditions elsewhere. It seems that this sort of activity could only be helpful for organization in other sectors. Fast food is fairly characterized as ¨the bottom rung¨, I think, but the sad truth is that that bottom rung has a lot of feet on it, these days, and there are more missing rungs between them and management, all the time.
The federal minimum wage is around a third lower in real terms than it was in the mid-60s. Washington's gross minimum wage, the highest state minimum wage in the country, is lower than France's net minimum wage -- and French fast-food workers, like all French workers, get comprehensive national health insurance, five weeks of paid vacation, paid sick leave, heavily subsidized daycare, and essentially tuition-free higher education for their kids. Oh, and they have termination for cause rather than termination at will, so they can actually assert their rights without being fired for it. This is what happens when labor unions fight to achieve better wages, benefits, and working conditions for all workers through national legislation and regulation rather than just for their own members through limited collective bargaining agreements that inevitably fall victim to intercompany and interstate races to the bottom.
Just ask yourself this: Does a business that ostensibly cannot train and equip its workers to produce enough value-added to support a reasonable living wage deserve to be in business? Should we be allowing businesses to pay their workers so little that we are required to provide those workers SNAP (food stamps) and Medicaid in order for them to survive? By doing that instead of requiring a living wage, are we providing emergency help to the workers or rather massively subsidizing a slave-wage system that allows shareholders and executives to take home ever-fatter dividends and paychecks? How is it that fast-food (and other relatively low-wage) companies can provide their workers a living wage in countries that require one, but not in the United States? What percentage of their revenues go to their shareholders and executives versus their workers in those countries, and how does that compare to the split here?
But I won't hold my breath. As I said, the kind of people I'm talking about won't ask these questions or find the right answers until the race to the bottom takes them down, personally.
Don't be assholes to the working poor. You're treating them exactly like the mega-rich treats the middle class, which most of you likely disapprove of. Additionally, WTF are you doing that is so difficult and important that you're entitled to your wage?
I can't wait until I don't have to wait for the girl behind the counter to finish her text message so I can get to my chicken sandwich, I'll be able to lean on the counter or rail without getting disguisting crap on my shirt, the bathrooms will be tolerable and the booths will be spotless. You'll soon forget about the days when you had to double check your order yourself, and even better, you'll forget about all the times you got back on the highway and realized that twit didn't put a straw in the bag.
I can't believe these people don't get paid more...
On a more depressing note, this will eliminate MILLIONS of jobs for handicapped/disabled people that simply cannot compete physically or mentally with the "Qualified" candidates that will no doubt be hired.