there are times and places where you need water and buying a bottle is your only good option--especially if you want to buy CHILLED water. (e.g., Nevada, Arizona, South Dakota, etc.)

Education, along with a tax on bottled water would go a long way.
how about a steep-ish deposit on water bottles?

(however) i warn yuz, folks get weird around their water supplies. i know some that would characterize drinking local tap water as akin to taking poison (and possibly sapping one's precious bodily fluids); and then there's Portland...
I'm for the first option, with an exemption made for places that have truly unpalatable tap water. The Pacific Northwest is NOT one of those places.
what about travelers to our fair land? they are not used to our native intestinal parasites and bottled water will protect them, as it does for us when we visit other countries.

i say, provide it only for people with foreign passports.
If they could provide drinkable tap water with no lead, chlorine or rust taste, I'd be all about banning the bottled stuff.

Of course, you can buy water filters, too, but bottled stuff is what people are gonna do if they don't have the cash up-front for the filters.
Our tap water is fine. This shouldn't be a problem.
Almost all bottled water in the stores is just tap water anyway, but when you are in a spot where you really need a drink and the only other options are sugary drinks, having bottled water is appreciated.
I'd rather see people drink bottled water than Pepsi, and rather see people drink their water from their own reusable bottles, but banning water as an option at the retail level isn't a good idea either. Institutionally it's fine if a campus or business wants to ban bottled water at their own facilities, but I don't think it's beneficial to remove it from retail.
Educate people that bottled water is tap water and the bottles are an environmental nightmare. We should also educate them that sugary drinks will make them fat too.
How about banning bottled water of 24 oz or less? That would decrease waste, at least in the sense of total numbers of bottles tossed in the trash, and, if you really need some cold water on a hot day, you can still lug around a liter of the stuff.
bottled water is convenient for emergency preparedness, and a few other uses, so I would not like to see it banned, a tax or education might be better
Why ban bottled water? The problem isn't the water, it's the plastic bottles -- and those remain a problem no matter what fluid is in them (H2O, soda, iced coffee, gatoraid, you name it).

We should be going the Oregon route and have a refundable deposit on all bottles & cans.
So if I've been on a long walk with some friends and I didn't bring along my reusable water bottle they can all go into a store and buy chilled soda or juice in a plastic bottle but I have to go drink out of nasty ass water fountain?
If you must have bottled water, ban plastic bottles.
Here's a good video explaining the story of bottled water:…
Bans seem excessive, because as others mentioned there are times when you legitimately need a bottle of water, but I'd welcome any initiative to reduce the perceived benefit of buying bottled as a routine household item. Taxes, deposits, incentives to BYO bottle and refill at water stations (a la some airports) are all good places to start. I don't think anybody believes that the status quo is tenable in the long term.
@15: You can buy some beverages in aluminum bottles now, that would be an easy transition for bottled water. (The lack of a pop-hissssss when opening a can of water can be a little offputting.)
And I'd add an additional tax on all beverages sold in single-use bottles of under 40oz too.

(That would discourage the proliferation of the 1 lifer soda bottle as well.)
eh, they could just not sell them on campus. And install those water spigots that fill bottles onto drinking fountains.

You were warned not to drink the water from Johnson Hall on UW campus because of the building's pluming. After the remodel in 2005 or so, they had new water fountains with those water bottle spigots. They're neat!
If you don't ban plastic bottles, then the plastic bag ban was completely pointless. I know many of you NEED water, milk or soda and NEED it to be portable and available at any time at a moments notice, so this would be a bit inconvenience if it came in a bag or cardboard container rendering the bottle holder on your bike or car useless.

Well guess what? Those who don't own cars, who have to walk 6-20 blocks to carry groceries home, the plastic bag ban was a major inconvenience, so please please please, learn to stfu when they place a ban on plastic bottles.

Another way to save the environment, that I personally wont have a problem with, but will enrage many of you, is a ban on computers that cant be upgraded. Cant swap out the CPU, Memory or Hard Drive? Banned!! Why? Because it forces people to buy new computers when there's a minor problem that could be solved with a simple repair, but a repair that's no longer possible due to brilliant idea of actually gluing the components to each other. Since ive never owned a name brand computer and have been assembling them with open components, its really easy for me to accept this type of ban, just as it was easy for people who were used to using cloth bags to accept the plastic bag ban, just as it will be easy for people who use their own BPA Free plastic bottles should a plastic bottle ban take effect. Banning computers that cant be upgraded will indeed save landfills from tons of toxic materials that people simply don't recycle.

Instead of sugary sports drinks, I drink Pellegrino sparkling water. It is full of calcium and magnesium but no sugar (or salt).

Would I be taxed for drinking Pellegrino or Perrier because it's water and it's in a bottle? Seems stupid.
Oh, yeah, and I use Crystal Geyser as my basic drinking water, because in South King the water is so fitlty it gives me skin tags.

Maybe if some of you do-gooders, liberals and muck rakers wanted to help solve a real problem, you'd figure out why the corrupt politicians in Olympia do nothing about it.

Oh, sorry...I forgot...they pay for this blog!
I think it's the plastic that's the problem. I would fully support a ban on plastic bottles.
@10 is dead on. Water is fine. retail bans are a weird work around, since we aren't concerned about the content (or not that concerned) but more about the container and the resources used to transport it. A deposit would be great.

I cannot remember which small nation I was in, but they had very heavy-duty plastic bottles for most beverages, with a steep deposit. the bottles were washed and reused, much like the old glass bottles. Seemed pretty ingenious as a middle road, and avoiding the handling issues and weight of glass in transport.
Southwest Airlines' on board water offering is in 12 oz aluminum cans, just like the soda and beer, so canned still water is available.

So I can ride my bike with a glass bottle in the holder?

Or have a whole CYO camp full of elementary school kids carrying around glass.

Smart. Real smart.
There are reusable water bottles that come with the filters in the caps. And bottled water *is* tap water, you ninnies.

Not's The Difference:

Most other major water brands start with Municipal Water and use a process called reverse osmosis filtering (RO) or a distillation process to remove impurities, while at the same time, stripping away natural minerals and taste from the water. However, our CRYSTAL GEYSER® ALPINE SPRING WATER® brand is made as nature intended: pure and natural, from one of our protected spring sources.

We have carefully selected each of our spring sources because they are hydraulically connected to high-quality ground water sources (aquifer), located in naturally protected and remote areas. The pristine and protected ecological environments and unique geology surrounding where our spring sources are located produce the finest tasting water in the world – naturally. As an added measure of protection, we purchase land around our sources to protect our spring water from any possible harmful impact from manmade activities.…
@22, I agree, but it should be for disposable plastic bottles.

I took a holiday in Cambodia last year, and when I was on the bus from Siem Reap to Phnom Pehm both sides of the road were covered with 2 things: plastic water bottles and plastic bags. Some houses had piles that were 10 feet tall and took up hundreds of sqft. Shit was EVERYWHERE and disgusting to see. The cost of this crap getting into the environment is much worse than the hit to the margins of bottled water producers for coming up with a better way to deliver their products.
@19: My 12-block walk to and from the supermarket was responsible for my switch to reusable shopping bags nearly a decade ago. Have you ever carried a couple of those shitty supermarket plastic bags filled with heavy groceries for a mile? Hurts like a motherfucker, and I've broken too many eggs to count because of plastic bag failures. The only people I know who like plastic supermarket bags are people with cars.
Also, I completely agree with your ban on "disposable" computers. It's stupid and wasteful to throw away the entire device because you want more storage, or a faster processor, and the only benefit to buying a whole new machine is more money for the people selling them. Bah.

@20: Italy started installing mineral water fountains in public to get people to stop buying Pellegrino, etc. Fancy or not, waste is waste.
@29 do they have sparkling mineral water fountains?
Ban plastic, not water. Plastic water and soda bottles are ten times the blight that bags were. I'm exactly the opposite of your next-to-last option -- the bag ban was mostly stupid and cosmetic, but a bottle ban would make a real difference.

If you keep them but put a hefty deposit on them -- a quarter or even a dollar, none of this nickel garbage -- that would be OK.

Tap water is great. Bailo, as usual, doesn't understand even the basics of what he's talking about; Kent's municipal water also comes, in part, from springs. Or wells, which are the same thing, just deeper.

While I'm loath to give Coca-Cola much credit for anything, the way they handle bottle deposits in the third world is really impressive. You rarely see people throwing a glass Fanta or Coke bottle in the garbage, and, if they do, someone's going to retrieve it to get the deposit. Those glass bottles rarely wind up as permanent garbage (unless/until they break, I guess). The downside (from the perspective of the company) is that third worlders don't drink soda as just a regular beverage the way they do. It's more of a treat that you go out of your way to get, not something you bring home in multiple one-liter bottles.

And I would guess that the plastic bottle waste in Cambodia is more a result of a lack of potable drinking water. I doubt Cambodians like wasting their income on bottled water.
I frequently have to travel, by air, for my job to workplaces where there is no water available, so I rely on the availability of bottled water. If bottled water bans went into effect I would have to either buy, clean, fill then discard a reusable container or pack suitable container(s) in my luggage. When you have to work 12-16 hour days outdoors in 90+ degree heat a couple of 1 liter bottles of water is not sufficient.
@21 "in South King the water is so fitlty it gives me skin tags."

That's odd. Huge swaths of my family live within 5 miles of you, and we all think the water is great.

Still, if you're framing this as "ban bottled water and give me a skin condition", I don't know many people on SLOG who'd vote "no".
@29 when I was in queen Anne I had to walk nearly a mile to the store plastic bags worked fine.
@25 Glass is not the only alternative. Also, I alteady know I'm really smart AND I teach kids.
If you don't ban plastic bottles, then the plastic bag ban was completely pointless.

Yes, the plastic bag ban was pointless, seeing as how plastic bags are better for the environment than any of the substitutes. Same goes for plastic bottles. Or did you forget how much a glass bottle weighs, or what it takes to manufacture an aluminum can?
@26. Agreed.
@28, so Seattle is supposed to ban plastic bottles because people in Cambodia throw them on the ground. How much dope did you smoke today?
a thousand hacking
@30: yes, that's what I was talking about (hence the mention of Pellegrino). They installed sparkling and still mineral water fountains in public spaces in Italy to get people to stop buying bottled.…
Paris did it too:…
@20 buy a fucking tap filter.
I predict Seattle will ban plastic bottles on the grounds that phony environmentalism is a core component of its civic identity.
Waah! Being an adult is hard!
@28, in Nigeria, people can't afford water in bottles; they buy it in bags, heat-sealed and stamped with the seal of the inspecting agency. Swarms of vendors all over the city buy these bags in quantity in the morning and then spread over the city selling them. It's one of the main ways to earn a living. The streets are absolutely covered in the discarded bags.
Here's what you need to set up a water sachet business in Lagos:…

Notice the alibaba links. Nigerian businessmen are well accustomed to doing business with China; a hundred thousand Nigerians live in Guangzhou just for international trade. This is just another example of how the US is increasingly becoming irrelevant to global commerce and development. I noticed the other day that the newest class of container ships will bypass the US entirely -- we have no ports capable of taking them. Asia and Europe do, and Africa is likely to be able to fairly soon. The only things Americans ever ship to Africa are used clothing and bags of subsidized food.
Isn't it weird how every time Mister G/Unbrainwashed gets banned, a new account gets registered and they keep saying the same exact shit that Mister G/Unbrainwashed used to say?

What do you think Noicons @37? Just wondering.
@47, I looked them up and saw no trace, but I would love to meet them!

Knowing you live down there just makes me all the less inclined to want to do anything about your shitty, acrochordon-making water...
@4: Parasites are people who live in Paris.
@50: especially the ones who ride bicycles
I live in Grand Teton National Park and just last year NPS banned the sale of bottled water by park concessions. (They do still sell "enhanced waters" like Smart Water and Pellegrino.) Facilities were upgraded so that everywhere where you could've bought bottled water, there is a filling station for reusable bottles. Thanks to the filling stations, I have not been inconvenienced in any way by the ban. But then again I am the sort of person who carries around a Nalgene.
Bottle deposits are great. We should use them.
@52, so now people who want bottle water pay more for bubbles or needless added vitamins. Wow, such a deal.
All plastic bottles or just bottled water? After all I see way more litter from soda bottles then I do from water bottles.
something our goat-man and paper-boy councilmembers should have addressed from the get go...
Did anyone else get this earworm after reading post 28?
I buy bottled water for one purpose: not for the water (though that's a nice extra) but for when I need a cheap bottle. I'll usually refill that bottle from the tap several times over the course of its lifetime. They're convenient when you roadtrip for instance.

There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to have bottled water in your home, at work, or in a restaurant. A glass with tap water (filtered if things are really that bad in your area, but I've drunk tap water in communities large and small across the country and can count on one hand the number of times the tap water has been even mildly unpleasant) is perfectly fine.
$0.50 deposit on all glass and plastic containers. Problem solved.
@59, I think a quarter would do it.
p.s.: Of course, it would also be an empty gesture, because it would force enough return trips to be a net carbon generator. But we can ignore inconvenient fact, because this is Seattle and it was never about the environment to begin with. It's about appearing to care.
@43: "phony environmentalism"

Ah, right wingers, always eager to cry hypocrisy while they do nothing.
@62, so tell us what you are doing, you typical smug Seattle gasbag.
@63: I have no systemic power to change systems in place but volunteer to take collected food from local co-ops and feed it to the homeless so it doesn't go to waste.

You can feel free to eat shit, however.
So you don't do anything, but accuse a stranger of hypocrisy on the grounds that you don't think he does any more than you do. How typical for Seattle. You think you're so much better than everyone else, but in reality you're just one more tight-assed phony who needs to feel good by telling other people what to do.
I drink distilled water for several very important health reasons. Public water supplies are straight from the tap and are not of much use to me.

Yes, I carry a steel water bottle, but I also need to refill it during many days. I am fine with a ban on small plastic bottles but the gallon jugs still should be available.

A ban without foresight to issues like these is very myopic activism.
@66, when it comes to a phony Seattle environmentalist's need for self-esteem and appearances, versus your health, do you honestly think you have a ghost of a chance?
[A return deposit] would force enough return trips to be a net carbon generator.

The article specifically mentions landfills. Carbon footprint is a concern but, frankly, with 9 billion people on the horizon and no signs of that letting up a ban on plastic water bottles isn't going to make much of a difference.
@65: "So you don't do anything"

Your life must be very fulfilling for an illiterate.
@68, a return deposit would force multiple trips, not just by consumers to stores but by trucks to stores to retrieve them. But, in the battle between appearances and reality, we know what Seattle's phonies will always prefer.
@69, your feeding of the homeless doesn't do squat for reducing climate change. Probably winds up increasing it. But it makes you feel righteous, which in Seattle is really what it's all about.
" take collected food from local co-ops and feed it to the homeless"

He gives his scraps to hobos! Just like I do with my dog and he wags his take and shits on my lawn as well.

By the way, how many bums do you let sleep at your nice place every night? Wouldn't that actually END "home"lessness for someone?
@72, good point. I actually took in a homeless man and gave him a room in my house, and then set him up in a place of his own, and bought him groceries. #69 prefers to feed him some spare garbage. It's a matter of appearances vs. the real thing.

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