Oh lordy, do Americans need to bring their lawyers AND their therapists every time they want to fuck?

On the plus side lads, if you need to stall an orgasm, just imagine the face of an angry, American feminist screaming 'rape culture' and demanding all intercourse come with documentation.

@3 Regret = rape!

" Since she doesn't like what she did, she lies & says she doesn't remember. "

Clearly Stockholm Syndrome, trapped by patriarchy. A few weeks of reading Cienna's columns and a couple of womyn's studies class at SCCC and she''l understand she was .....RAPED!

". When the lawyer reassures him that this old incident is not prosecutable"

Another rapist goes free!!!!!

I'm so angry I need some pink paint and a derelict building!

"I was raped by a guy who was drunker than me."

Sure you were. How many years of womyn's studies did it take to come to that conclusion?

Now, I fucked some women who under the light of both day and sobriety, still give me chills to this day. Am I a victim of anything? Something?

Now, I fucked some women who under the light of both day and sobriety, still give me the heebee jeebees to this day. Am I a victim of anything? Something?

" I call it a stupid decision made while way too drunk, and move on with my life. "

Lucy, you poor, delicate, little thing, you're a victim of patriarchy and you don't even know it.

"'shame induced by culture and religion"

Add now puritanical "feminism". Welcome to AMerica!

When did sex get so complicated in America that you need lawyers before you fuck and therapists after, to clean up the mess?

When did sex get so complicated in America that you need lawyers before you fuck and therapists after, to clean up the mess and then a judge at the end to determine if she actually enjoyed it?

Did the lady accuse him of raping her, no, so the false-accusation MRA trolls can go to hell. She, according to him, was just upset. I don't know where OTG got rape from unless he did not accurately report his conversation. Practically he'd never be convicted (even if he intentionally got her drunk in order to rape her) as she was seen happily leaving with him, she does not remember what happened, and he says she said yes. This is not to say I am okay with that situation. Has OTG ever tried to talk to this lady again and ask her what she thinks?

"All I can suggest is, drink slower."

Or fuck faster.

" the level of defensiveness and hostility on display here is substantial and has more than a little misogyny to it."

Some of us simply don't give a shit when you turn to name calling to silence people.

"@39: When the fuck did I name call or attempt to silence anyone?"

Ahhh, you must be the one who accuses people of "misogyny" as a complement. My apologies sugartits.

doesn't fraud vitiate consent too?

therefore every time someone said I love you let's get it on, but lied, that would be rape too under this one size fits all definition of rape as any unconsented sex.

what if the consent is contingent on "I consent if you will pay me by buying dinner" then you buy dinner and there's no sex, is that a time we enforce consent? does the purchase of dinner now mean it's not rape?> what if the guy says okay, but let's screw first THEN doesn't buy her dinner....what a cad, right, is this really rape? or just she can sue for the $45 dinner in small claims court? don't we think she shouldn't be able to sue at all in this case? if so, we are applying something other than the rape equals unconsented sex definition.

maybe we should not have one word for a variety of situations with a variety of harms and culpability levels. people get drunk and lie and fuck all the time, 19 year olds touch 16 year olds lots of times, sometimes we think it's gross sometimes it's written up in literature as romeo and fucking Juliet.

to have one word for a multiplicity of situations many of which may be socially wrong, even criminally wrong in a minor way, but aren't all on the same level as what most of us view as felony level rape justifying putting you in prison for ten years.

@81 We've always had that vocabulary, it's called "being young and stupid". Unfortunately the campus rape industry can't profit from that.

The Campus Rape Myth by Heather Mac Donald, City Journal Winter 2008

The campus rape industry’s central tenet is that one-quarter of all college girls will be raped or be the targets of attempted rape by the end of their college years (completed rapes outnumbering attempted rapes by a ratio of about three to two). The girls’ assailants are not terrifying strangers grabbing them in dark alleys but the guys sitting next to them in class or at the cafeteria.

This claim, first published in Ms. magazine in 1987, took the universities by storm. By the early 1990s, campus rape centers and 24-hour hotlines were opening across the country, aided by tens of millions of dollars of federal funding. Victimhood rituals sprang up: first the Take Back the Night rallies, in which alleged rape victims reveal their stories to gathered crowds of candle-holding supporters; then the Clothesline Project, in which T-shirts made by self-proclaimed rape survivors are strung on campus, while recorded sounds of gongs and drums mark minute-by-minute casualties of the “rape culture.” A special rhetoric emerged: victims’ family and friends were “co-survivors”; “survivors” existed in a larger “community of survivors.”

An army of salesmen took to the road, selling advice to administrators on how to structure sexual-assault procedures, and lecturing freshmen on the “undetected rapists” in their midst. Rape bureaucrats exchanged notes at such gatherings as the Inter Ivy Sexual Assault Conferences and the New England College Sexual Assault Network. Organizations like One in Four and Men Can Stop Rape tried to persuade college boys to redefine their masculinity away from the “rape culture.” The college rape infrastructure shows no signs of a slowdown. In 2006, for example, Yale created a new Sexual Harassment and Assault Resources and Education Center, despite numerous resources for rape victims already on campus.

If the one-in-four statistic is correct—it is sometimes modified to “one-in-five to one-in-four”—campus rape represents a crime wave of unprecedented proportions. No crime, much less one as serious as rape, has a victimization rate remotely approaching 20 or 25 percent, even over many years. The 2006 violent crime rate in Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America, was 2,400 murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults per 100,000 inhabitants—a rate of 2.4 percent. The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience. Such a crime wave would require nothing less than a state of emergency—Take Back the Night rallies and 24-hour hotlines would hardly be adequate to counter this tsunami of sexual violence. Admissions policies letting in tens of thousands of vicious criminals would require a complete revision, perhaps banning boys entirely. The nation’s nearly 10 million female undergrads would need to take the most stringent safety precautions. Certainly, they would have to alter their sexual behavior radically to avoid falling prey to the rape epidemic.

None of this crisis response occurs, of course—because the crisis doesn’t exist. During the 1980s, feminist researchers committed to the rape-culture theory had discovered that asking women directly if they had been raped yielded disappointing results—very few women said that they had been. So Ms. commissioned University of Arizona public health professor Mary Koss to develop a different way of measuring the prevalence of rape. Rather than asking female students about rape per se, Koss asked them if they had experienced actions that she then classified as rape. Koss’s method produced the 25 percent rate, which Ms. then published.

Koss’s study had serious flaws. Her survey instrument was highly ambiguous, as University of California at Berkeley social-welfare professor Neil Gilbert has pointed out. But the most powerful refutation of Koss’s research came from her own subjects: 73 percent of the women whom she characterized as rape victims said that they hadn’t been raped. Further—though it is inconceivable that a raped woman would voluntarily have sex again with the fiend who attacked her—42 percent of Koss’s supposed victims had intercourse again with their alleged assailants.

All subsequent feminist rape studies have resulted in this discrepancy between the researchers’ conclusions and the subjects’ own views. A survey of sorority girls at the University of Virginia found that only 23 percent of the subjects whom the survey characterized as rape victims felt that they had been raped—a result that the university’s director of Sexual and Domestic Violence Services calls “discouraging.” Equally damning was a 2000 campus rape study conducted under the aegis of the Department of Justice. Sixty-five percent of what the feminist researchers called “completed rape” victims and three-quarters of “attempted rape” victims said that they did not think that their experiences were “serious enough to report.” The “victims” in the study, moreover, “generally did not state that their victimization resulted in physical or emotional injuries,” report the researchers.