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Pogrom, not pogram.
2
Putin is so totally gay.
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Ooh, the Westin Building, that's very convenient. I'm in. What can I bring?
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As if I needed another reason to avoid visiting Russia
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We need to help people escape to the west- sigh- just like the old days.
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I think I typically just boycott the winter olympics by default.

Seattleblues should move his fake vacation home from Italy to Russia, where his brand of facism would fit right in!
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I was already ready to boycott this Olympics for the detestable human rights violations of the people in the North Caucuses region. This just adds another reason.
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I'm in.
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it's not in the westin building. it's at One Union Square, 6th and University, 25th floor: http://www.netconsul.org. i know this from helping a little old russian lady with the confusing elevator system get there.
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How the fuck is this remotely okay?
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Careful with the Westin Building. It's a high security, critical infrastructure facility - something to do with the internet, as the building's occupants are mostly IT equipment - and the management is very hardcore about security (I worked there both before and after they got hardcore. I preferred before). You can protest outside, but there's no way you can get upstairs - or even to the elevator - without a badge.

That consulate is a weird place, by the way. Everyone there is a chain smoker, and the fashions and hairdos date back to the 70's - and not in a good way. And there's always a few Soviet-esque misery cases moping in the main lobby.
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I'm in. Everyone from the R74 campaign join this effort! We're not done yet by any means. This is insane.
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I don't understand how the international olympic teams can justify exposing their athletes to imprisonment. Absolutely boycott.
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@1, I'm thinking it's program, not pogrom.
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I'm dubious about boycotting the Olympics. If I remember, it had very little positive effect when we boycotted the Olympics in Russia back during the Carter administration. It just screws over athletes who have trained for years and years in preparation for the games.

On the other hand, I'm totally up for protesting in front of the Russian consulate. Just say when and where, and I'm in.
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He Godwins, but this is by far the most reasonable comparison to Nazis I've seen this year. Just tell me when!
18
In addition to avoiding travel to Russia, why not boycott Russian Products? A good place would be to toss out all Russian Vodka, especially from Gay Bars.
19
Instead of boycotting the Olympics, maybe when an American wins a gold medal they can raise a rainbow flag and play Gloria Gaynor?
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@19 Gee, how old are you? It's Lady Gaga these days!
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@16, the difference is that some of the athletes are gay. There's already been one New Zealand skater who has said "I don't care, I'm going to wear a rainbow flag pin". But he has to be made aware how bad an idea that is: he WILL be arrested, and possibly held indefinitely. He should not go at all, and none of his teammates should either.

Whether or not nations officially boycott, everyone should say no. I won't watch it, I won't discuss it, and when the time comes I'll think about boycotting the advertisers as well.

The real boycott win, of course, has to be the IOC. They need to take a stand, and tell Russia they will pull the games if they do not reverse the policy, reverse the law.

While you are boycotting Russian vodka, which is easy because I don't drink vodka, also think about Kaspersky, the third-largest internet security software company, and the Livejournal blogging platform. There are probably others. It's going to be harder for Europeans, many of whom are beholden to Russian gas.
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http://www.history.com/this-day-in-histo…

I wonder if Obama will have the courage to similarly react? Or will he let this homophobic blatancy slide if Putin returns Snowden to the US for our own 'we-know-what's-best' brand of rough justice.
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stm @10, thank you. One Union Square it is: http://www.netconsul.org

There's a very nice plaza there for milling about, the one where the May Day folks kicked in the Court of Appeals window that time, and the FBI locked up those unrelated folks who refused to talk.
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they're not in the westin building anymore, catalina. i can say with confidence that the russian consulate is in the One Union Square building, because i have seen them listed on the building directory, and helped a baboushka with the elevator system. don't believe me? http://www.yelp.com/biz/consulate-genera…
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@2 This law comes at the same time Putin gets divorced. Coincidence? I think nyet!
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The consulate has moved, it's no longer in the Westin Building. It's now in One Union Square (600 University St), 25th floor.
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@21: livejournal is actually a safe space for Russians to disagree with their government. I actively support them.
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@21 I understand your point. Though I could imagine a lot gay or pro-gay athletes still wanting go. Ultimately it is still a lifetime dream to be at the Olympics and what better way to protest Russia is to show up and be out and open. This might be a bit hyperbolic, but think Jesse Owens.
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All I need is a time and date. I'll take a day off work to join this.
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Well that's good for the Westin Building. I haven't worked there in years, so it's no wonder I'm wrong.

Although I must say I'm a bit surprised. That building is very oppressive, what with all the security and all. I would have thought they would have felt right at home. Maybe the landlords wouldn't renew their lease.

Now, the Westin Building in the 80's, when Westin's corporate offices were there....cocaine and easy sex, and security was only there to throw out the call boys when the execs were done with them. Those were the days.....
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Does anyone know if Stoli Russia is state owned?

Stoli USA is a big sponsor at pro-gay events -- not just the drinking competitions like Mr. Stoli Guy, they were one of the lead sponsors at the NYC Gay Center annual garden party fund raiser this year. Yes it was advertising but the lead placement meant they also gave big bucks to the Gay Center which is a great pro-gay non-profit.
32
When Phil Gramm and Dan Savage are calling for the same boycott (albeit for entirely different reasons) surely the End Times must be just around the corner!
33
So, Dan. We're (your readers) all in. Time and place? Who files the paperwork with the city so we can meet in Westlake or somewhere and "march" over?
34
What a shocking backwards step.

As for the Games, Johnny Weir, who was probably planning to take a big step in his bid to become the next Dick Button (and why not? None of the other potential heirs to Mr Button's microphone can be as sharp as Sandra Bezic and twice as much fun), may well not go at all now. And he's always loved Russia so much.
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but also to any couple or single parent living in any country where marriage equality exists in any form

And that is how you get conservative heterosexuals on board. Conservatives love adoption.
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I'm so glad we boycotted the Berlin Olympics.
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I'm interested
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Stoli is no longer a Russian brand btw- it's Latvian.
39
I'm in. I'll come up from Portland to add my support.
40
Dan, did you know that all Russian IPs are banned from accessing thestranger.com (for a good reason but still) forcing long-time readers like me to use proxy?
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Not just gay and lesbian families are thinking about escaping Russia. Sadly just reversing these laws will not make a jota of difference because the whole nation is rabidly homophobic. Putin is simply pandering to the public. I have long lost all hope for any change in the next 50 years or so. Seriously, you can boycott Russian vodka (who likes this shit anyway) and the Olympics, the fact remains, we are a really close minded nation. It\\\'s a bit of a paradox because we manage to happily consume all gay-friendly pop culture coming from abroad and just as happily keep hating gays in real life.
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It's hard to ask young people who have been training for years for these Olympics to give up their dreams. But it would be great if the athletes themselves, gay and straight, took the lead on this. It could happen. On some important things, the young are braver and see more clearly than their elders.
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As a long-time reader from Russia (and no, @40, not all Russian IP's are banned, obviously, as I'm here) I want to thank you, Dan, and all my fellow-readers here for your support. We really, really need it because Russia has a long history of ignoring what her own people say, but listening to the outside world. At present your actions will be more effective than ours, that's for sure. Hell, just knowing someone out there cares already means a lot to us.

Ah, and @27, sorry to tell, but during each and every major political shakedown here LJ is conveniently crashed 'by hackers attack'. So feel free to not support it with your money. It panders to our government anyways. And Kaspersky labs is one of the biggest entities behind attempts of internet censorship in Russia. Not giving them money to invest in preventing queer Russian kids to learn online it's ok to be queer is even better strategy than ban Russian vodka.
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Sharable graphic for protest: https://twitter.com/SUrbanLV/status/3597…
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@43 Really? Listening to the outside world? What a load of BS. And who are the "own people" who are complaining exactly?
46
No. No boycott. I want to see some Jesse Owens action!

I want all those athletes who have trained so hard to go to Russia and compete, and win, and be queer or visible allies.

What better way to oppose Russia's ban on gay "propaganda" than to have medal winners--loads of them--on the podium sporting rainbows? What are the Russians going to do, stop broadcasting? Arrest bunches of medalists?

What's the international hand-sign for I'm Queer? We need one of those.
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@46 I like your idea. Won't change anything probably, but could be a reason to watch the Olympics.
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@47, while it wouldn't change anything simply by itself, I think it would be a huge statement. As far as I know it is not illegal to be gay in Russia. Sodomy might not even be illegal. But "Gay Propaganda" is illegal. A rainbow flag can send you to jail, let alone a pride parade.

Their aim--I assume--is to make it criminal to be out. But at a major world event--hosted by Russia, no less--visibly out and allied athletes would make Russia either piss off the developed world by taking some draconian measure or STFU and let the world see proud queer and queer-allied champions, thus acting to oppose their legislated bigotry and providing images and role models for queer kids and adults all over the world.

If...
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@48, *Just daydreaming, wasn't trying to tell a Russian how things are in Russia.*
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@48 & 49 Yes, being gay or having day sex is not illegal, but effectively being out and or promoting equality is. Well, technically this is only about children so if you found a whole other plane of existence without any children... Well, I guess being out and publicly ashamed also works.
And I think the second option is far more likely, no one will arrest Johnny Weir... I'm just saying that nothing will change in terms of general public's mentality. No one will think, ooh, if this athlete I love is gay, maybe being gay is not so bad.
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@50, "No one will think, ooh, if this athlete I love is gay, maybe being gay is not so bad."

For those who are queer, having visible, positive role models is validating. For people who aren't queer and think that the whole thing isn't their problem, minds can be changed when someone they like comes out. For those who are anti-gay, they might not turn into allies, but at least they'll have to twitch a little when they're served a plateful off cognitive dissonance.

So I think that, "...if this athlete I love is gay, maybe being gay is not so bad," is precisely what will happen. Isn't that why Putin and Co. are trying to suppress pride?
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Can we use a word other than "pogrom" to describe this evil legislation? As a bi Jewish guy, it kind of rankles to have the massacre, rape, plundering and destruction of (almost exclusively) Jewish communities by gentile citizens directed by (usually) the Russian government compared to mass repression and imprisonment of LGBT people and the pulling apart of our families. Can we recognize that while both of these things are evil, they aren't the same thing and shouldn't be compared?
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The main problem with comparing the current situation to the presence and performance by Jesse Owens is that he didn't do anything during those games that would have resulted in arrest and prosecution. After all, Hitler was deluded in thinking that his naturally superior Aryan athletes would crush their lesser competition.

I don't think Putin gives a shit if scores of people (especially athletes) are arrested and detained. It'll put a chill on the sense of usually gorgeous abandonment spectators have come to expect from the athletes' village. Also, foreign athletes (gay or not) who are concerned about their safety will be spending more time looking over their shoulders and less on continuing to train and remaining focused on their goal. If a bunch of athletes are arrested, Putin will simply respond that everyone knew what the law's consequences were. And he'll be laughing as the foreign currency flows in.
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@51 I get what you are saying, but judging by our relationship with nazism, no one here is ever bothered by cognitive dissonance.
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Protests may be in order, but I don't think they would accomplish much - Putin's government would simply use the protesters as a scarecrow, like they do with every other liberal or pro-civil rights group.

The only way to get Putin's attention is to hit his business interests. He'd certainly pay attention if there is a boycott of the Olympics, and even more so if Europe stops doing business with Russia. So, civil rights should push for an Olympic boycott, and, ideally, sanctions.
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@53: I respectfully disagree regarding arrests of athletes. Whether or not this law is on the books, no athlete or team member in Sochi will be arrested, harassed, or looked sideways at by the authorities.

Olympic athletes and teams are in a bubble at Games time, from when they arrive until they depart. Literally from the moment they step off the plane - there are separate lines at customs and immigration, they don't even need the regular entry visas as their Games accreditation serves as their entry documents. The Olympic Village is a little world unto itself.

And as much as Putin wants to score domestic points by cracking down on the gays, he also wants Russia to be seen internationally as a big time player. Hosting the Olympics and putting on a great show for the world does that. Putting Johnny Weir in jail does not.
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@56, +1.
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@ 56 Your speculation is irresponsible and I hope no athlete trusts in it. Athletes may be isolated from people like you, but they are not isolated from Russian security officials. If Putin wants gay/activist athletes arrested, they will be arrested. And if Putin were averse to international backlash he wouldn't have gone down this path in the first place; he's willing to risk a boycott, so the Olympics don't matter very much to him. Openly defying the world, and leaving it with no response besides impotent rage, would make him a big-time player. Allowing foreigners to flout his laws on a high-profile stage would make him look weak, and that is what he avoids above all else.

I would admire any athlete that went to Sochi to openly challenge the law, that might be an even better protest than a boycott, but anyone doing so had better go in with their eyes open as to the risks.
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@58: I am not speculating. I've been in the Games bubble many times. I know what I am talking about. And to be clear, I'm not talking about athletes "openly challeng[ing] the law." If an athlete goes to Sochi, heads down to the police station, and waves a rainbow banner while making out with a person of the same gender, well, all bets are off. What I am saying is that athletes who are openly gay, or who are widely perceived to be gay, will not be harassed by the authorities simply for showing up.
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@52: I suspect Dan's use of the term is in reference to the combination of official repression with unofficial but clearly government-encouraged mob violence, with any resulting arrests being of victims rather than perpetrators. The details may be different, but the fundamental dynamics seems awfully familiar.
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and Greece just past HIV discrimination laws wow... funny how fairly open-minded democracies slip into fascism in a matter of a few years.... In russia's case it's the extreme religious influence of the orthodox church, which is a part of the government now. in greece i think it must be the economy... who ever provides material pleasures, will get most of the votes... kinda like how Hitler got to power...
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I'm in.
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Accuse Putin of being gay here:

http://wh.gov/l1KIX
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Man oh man I wish we had a Pres. Here in the U.S. That had the balls to do pull that off. I never thought I would agree with anything those Red basterds did. But that is Great!! Kill the Fags

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