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I'm against them, too. I've lived in cities that switched to district elections and it gave Republicans a way to create government dysfunction.
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I'm with you. Better the devil we know, in this regard. Especially with the campaign-finance dealio maybe kicking off.
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Really Burgess is a Republican now, so not being a liberal means your a conservative. The man has said he is a Democrat many time, no reason to doubt him.

And while this measure may not be perfect its a step in the right direction. So one should vote for it.
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This is the kind of post where Goldy flies off into fantasyland and expects you to fly with him. Who needs polls? Who needs facts? Who cares what anybody's record is?

Imagination! Is! Power!
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Still have nobody to represent your local interests in order to stiff the statewide GOP? I don't buy it. That never happens in Denver, a slightly less progressive city than Seattle with an actual 'pub or two on our council. Neither does @1's dysfunction, a straw man if ever I read one.

But, it's your city, and your own unique style of gridlock, so do whatever you want.
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Goldy, I think you're being just devoted to the institutionalized way of doing things. Districts are the most direct path to a more progressive city council.

And if anyone thinks a Republican can win a Seattle district they're clinically insane. This is their footprint, apparently:

1. http://seattlerepublicans.org/

2. http://www.facebook.com/groups/144318622… <-- 47 members, watch out!

3. http://www.wfrw.org/club-meetings.htm#Se…

4. http://www.seattlegop.org/
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Replace the word republican with Asian, Black or people who disagree with you, and this becomes a pretty shallow fear mongering post.

The council has been stacked with "Liberals" for a long time, and its not exactly a single payer welfare 15 dollar minimum wage free for all.
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Voters should support districts because they empower grassroots campaign strategies -- less dialing for dollars and more doorbelling. They give voters a chance to actually meet the candidates in their neighborhoods, on their doorstep or at a coffee party down the street. District councilmembers would better balance neighborhood needs and issues with citywide matters.

There's lots of chatter about just how districts might change city council, the latest here being that it might enable a Republican to get elected to council. In a city that's maybe 20% Republican, what's wrong if 11% percent of council is Republican? Even this staunch Democrat can't argue with that (although I doubt it would actually happen).

Vote YES for districts, YES for Charter Amendment 19.
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@5

Seattle only thinks our style of gridlock is unique. In fact we always fail in the usual ways: apathy, fear and greed.
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The inverse is also true. As @7 points out, the current councilfolk aren't so very reflective of some of the more progressive portions of the city. I would imagine it's just as likely that an uber-progressive candidate wins one of those seats as an arch-conservative. I voted Yes.
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To top it off, I glanced at the Facebook group. A good number of those 47 don't even live in or near Seattle.
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The discussion of districts, by opponents, is approaching bizarre fantasies.

We know what kind of people Seattle elects in Districts. They're not republicans. They're folks named Jessyn Farrell, the north seattle (46th LD) former TCC person who's pro transit pro density all the way. elected in north seattle. Ditto Gerry Pollet, Frockt. Sharon Nelson, very liberal. Jeanne Kohl Welles, super liberal. Adam Kline, very liberal. Tomiko Santos. Pettigrew. Lots of women and minorities. THEY are not the folks handing out millions to billionaire chris Hansen, THEY are not the folks running a spd that beats up citizens -- THEY are the people who BOTH fund social services/want higher taxes AND look out for interests of their districts. In enlightened way.

You want a better bench? How about a better Democratic bench from SEattle? Now tell me quick, ONE at large city council member who ran for and obtained higher office.....can't think of any? Me neither. At large just means you dilute out and wash out in the public conscienceness. What do districts get us? Someone like Ed Murray fights like HELL for his districts 'special' concern, gay rights, and in 18 years we win and it's seen as a state wide moral concern! Way to go Ed! And then promoted to mayor.

Face it Goldy, you're smoking acid again, Seattle is like 70% democratic, it's evenly spread out. Not one district in Seattle will elect a republican.

But one or two might elect a socialist.

And the at large we got right now? they serve paul allen, chris Hansen, they waste $200 million on the mercer remodel causing worse transit and travel times and in YOUR neighborhood the sidewalks are broken and crumbling, your kid can't ride in the dangerous bike sharrow lane in the door opening zone, how stupid was that, and your bus takes longer to get downtown, and in lots of seattle, you don't have remodeled sidewalks beautified with $200 million in public money, you have ditches and gravel and no sidewalks at all.

this government is not just out of touch, but districts -- the way we DO representative democracy folks -- is part of the answer.

ask yourself this. is there one single opponent of council districts who loves at large so much they suggest changing the state senate or county council to at large? none of them suggest that. so all their arguments are just piffle.

vote for districts, we can afford both enhancements to downtown AND your neighborhood, we'll have the same caring liberal environmental voters electing pro transit environmentalists as we have now, ANd when you can't understand why they won't put in a traffic signal on your block you have someone you can call and hold responsible. and meanwhile, MOST of your city legislative votes are at large still (two at large, one for mayor). Goldy's logic (if gop is for it, vote against) is incredibly stupid and ignorant. Winston Churchill said he'd walk with socialists and communists to get workers' comp. I guess in that situation Goldy would have eschewed alliance with his enemy. The districts provision is widely backed by liberals and progressives who are using faye garneau's money for progressive ends and who are happy to have bipartisan support. Goldy, the republican party was against slavery, and still is, does that make you for it?

Finally, let's say they elect someone in Seattle. who gives a fuck? he or she will be outvoted 8-1, but Goldy, really, if they have a majority in a district, they are entitled to a city councilmember! Just like in a conservative city -- say Yakima, -- that has at large, the districts may produce a democrat or a latino and they are entitled to a representative! it's called democracy. Try it you'll like it!
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vote YES for districts, and the immediate impacts will be these:

1. all 9 are up again in 2015.
2. likely the older ones, Gooden, Licata, Conlin, Rasmussen -- won't run again! Esp. because the at large seats are only a two year transitional term.
3. there will be 7 district slots each with voters from some 88,000 people. Say 40K vote in a district city council election -- you can have a primary with 4 people where it's 15,000 to 10,000 to 9,000 to 6,000. Or a general that's like 21,000 to 18,000. This is really a much smaller election and it means PEOPLE WITHOUT CITYWIDE ACCESS TO BIG MONEY can win, or compete, thus you open the door to more women, minorities, progressives, youth, renters. What the council lacks today is renters and youth, btw. We will have wide open races in 2015.
4. In 2017 the at large run again. same year as mayor. going forward MOST of your votes remain at largeish (two at large and mayor).
5. Having all seven run in the '19 and later elections means when it's not the at large year, having only ONE race to worry about the average voter can actually MEET THE CANDIDATES WHO WILL DOORBELL LIKE HELL. Or meet in coffees in the neighborhood. Face to face democracy is a good thing. When we run now, with 4 or 5 up at a time and 3 or 5 candidates for each one, the average voters is just overwhelmed with having to learn about 20 candidates citywide and you don't meet them face to face. Again: face to face local democracy is a good thing.

in all this it's not likely the 8%-and-falling republicans can win anything. More likely is a socialist or green party can win, and push the democrats to the left, so if you're left, vote for districts!

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@5 Straw man? Somebody hasn't been paying attention in class, or to congress.
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@ 14, someone isn't paying attention to Seattle's demographics.
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@ 14, it would be interesting to know the names of those cities you say switched from all at-large councils to districts, so one could do a little research and see if what you allege did in fact happen.
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@16 Does the name Dan White ring a bell?
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@15: You are correct, of course. Seattle's Republican population is between 14 percent (what Romney got last time) and 15 percent (the estimate based on the Democratic Party's Votebuilder program "guesses" as to people's political orientation). Either way, it's hard to imagine a Republican winning a Council district race in Seattle.
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So, you want more racial diversity in the council but don't like the idea of ideological diversity, as in even 1 republican messing up the perfect 9-0 votes our council does for bag bans, etc ?
You don't have to agree with a republican, but it's not a terrible thing to have someone with a different approach suggest ideas once in a while.
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@ 17, it does. If an outlier like that is supposed to be an argument against districts, an equally legitimate rejoinder would be to point out that it can't happen here because Seattle has a city council, not a Board of Supervisors.

Of course, if that was just a roundabout way of saying "San Francisco," very well, that ought to be easy enough to check out.

What were the other cities? You did use thr plural form.
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A big part of Seattle's ongoing process paralysis is it one party group thinking where nothing can be done unless it has consensus. This leaves us with shy politics and timid efforts. I say let's have debates and let the best ideas win instead of avoiding any kind of conflict in the do-nothing Seattle way.
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What @1 said
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A liberal Democrat doesn’t support people being represented by their geographic area and instead favors single party rule...I wonder why
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@17, more on San Francisco: Dan White was elected in 1977, the same year as Harvey Milk. The reason: In 1976 Milk lost in the primary to the machine candidate for state assembly. But he noticed that the precinct results showed him winning in the Castro, so he reinvigorated the years' long effort by the progressive community (i.e., leftists) to switch from all at-large to district elections for city council ("Board of Supervisors").

Milk was a consummate politician and activist and successfully pulled a coalition of labor unions, gays, and neighborhood activists together to win district elections in November 1976. All 11 positions came open again in 1977. In addition to Milk and White, San Francisco also elected the first black woman, a leftist civil rights lawyer, and Dianne Feinstein. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francis…

After White assassinated Milk and Mayor Moscone (who had actively campaigned for districts), the establishment was able to reinstitute at-large elections. It took until 1999 for the leftist coalition to come together again in San Francisco and get districts passed.

San Francisco's 2000 transition to districts is the subject of two papers I'm aware of, both by Eric Lindgren, professor of political science. His conclusions: the cost of campaigns was less, participation in elections was higher, and more people voted in down ballot races (lower drop-off).

Arguing that the assassination of Milk and Moscone by White in 1977 supports at-large elections is a non sequitor. And it's a fear based argument. New York City councilman James White of Brooklyn was shot dead in City Hall in 2008. Are New Yorkers now clamoring for at-large elections? How about if we just control the guns better?

Districts generally bring more diversity, more direct representation of more people, and more progressive if not leftist inclinations. Especially in liberal cities, which most large U.S. cities are. U.S. urban area populations are to a large extent disenfranchised at the national level due to gerrymandering in red states. That fact does not support opposition to districts in our urban cores, where we can elect numerous progressive, leftist, liberal, and yes maybe a few conservatives. It's called democracy, and Seattle should advocate for it.

Please vote Yes on Charter Amendment No. 19 and get your ballot in!
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@6--
2. http://www.facebook.com/groups/144318622… <-- 47 members, watch out!

He voted No on 19!

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