I know that there are some people are quite passionately against it, but I consider them to be mentally ill. They should move to Arizona and be with all the other mentally ill.
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I'd prefer to stay in sync with the changes of dawn/dusk, than jerk it around twice a year.
I could understand the idea of having the entire country on UTC. Sure, you'd have to get used to the idea of going into work at 5 PM, and getting home at 1 AM. But in exchange, you'd never have to change your watch again, and you'd never have to specify what time zone you were in when dealing with schedules and calendars.
But if you have two time zones, then you still have all the headaches of different time zones, *and* you have the headaches of having things start at a different time in different parts of the country. Or, even worse, everyone in the West Coast will be permanently shifted 2 hours away from noon, and all of us night owls will be permanently jet lagged. It's the worst of both worlds.
@1, DST wasn't about the farmers so much as conserving fuel.
In a Stranger world, those sensible Europeans who are convinced GMOs = death are proof we need scary Genetically Engineered labels until the farmers stop supporting Monsanto. Therefore, the fact that so much of Europe uses DST means we should follow suit. Nothing they do is ever wrong.
There's more to daylight than business.
As for the darkness that we will be plunged into next week, I have an elaborate coping mechanism. The early darkness gives us ample opportunity to enjoy all of the festive holiday lighting people put up this time of year, which lasts through the end of the year. And after the first of the year the days start getting longer, which means that Spring is coming, and along with it, the next season of DST.
As for the two time zones thing, that is an idea that only an economist could love.
See, even fair and balanced news gets it.
"5. Daylight saving time in the United States was not intended to benefit farmers, as many people think.
Contrary to popular belief, American farmers did not lobby for daylight saving to have more time to work in the fields; in fact, the agriculture industry was deeply opposed to the time switch when it was first implemented on March 31, 1918, as a wartime measure. The sun, not the clock, dictated farmers’ schedules, so daylight saving was very disruptive. Farmers had to wait an extra hour for dew to evaporate to harvest hay, hired hands worked less since they still left at the same time for dinner and cows weren’t ready to be milked an hour earlier to meet shipping schedules. Agrarian interests led the fight for the 1919 repeal of national daylight saving time, which passed after Congress voted to override President Woodrow Wilson’s veto. Rather than rural interests, it has been urban entities such as retail outlets and recreational businesses that have championed daylight saving over the decades."
Daylight saving is about maximizing use of daylight, it was never directly about farming or farmers. While the four contiguous time zones have been more-or-less static for 150 years, the US only dabbled with DST during the two world wars, the system we have now wasn't mandated until the '60s.
I think facts get conflated because for some reason we learn this was all Benjamin Franklin's idea—he thought of DST like Da Vinci invented the helicopter.
"I get extra sleep this weekend!" No, you don't. You just decided it was okay to get up later.
But drop the familiar tone, okay? I'm not your friend and I think you are being a bigoted asshole right now.
If the goal of DST is to make better use of daylight hours then having the clocks in Michigan, Maine, and Florida is doing far more harm than good.
By synchronizing to a global standard it would allow each state to establish more meaningful local practices that would be synchronized with the latitude, longitude, and school and business needs of each community.
The government can always set a loose standard for "bank hours" by designating when post offices, courts, and government offices open and close. Businesses which opt to can follow suit just as many businesses follow the government's lead on "bank holidays".
Here's my Draconian proposal:
Adults party on the 3rd Saturday of October, which will always precede the 31st. On the 31st, children can dress up and go trick-or-treating. No Friday night parties, no mid-week parties. 3rd Saturday. NO EXCEPTIONS.
And I do think it's interesting that you regard "mental illness" as a disability. Like with any other illness, It really depends on the type of illness and the severity of the condition, doesn't it?
But if you want to be regressive in your feelings about the disabled and the mentally ill so that you can find something to be offended by, by all means have at it.
Hell, most of the time I don't even know what day it is.
I called you on being an asshole by using people with mental illnesses as a scapegoat and did it in a way that gave you plenty of room to back away from that statement and save face. That time is past. You aren't just just being bigoted right now, you are an actual bigot.
We're already moving toward that. It used to be that daylight savings was for about a half a year. Now it's nearly eight months out of the year.
You do bring up an important point. In a UTC system the point of "midnight" would no longer align with the 0:00 hour so that could be confusing. However, midnight does not correspond with the middle of the night now anyway. There's a sway one way or the other depending on where in the time zone you live. It only corresponds if you live on the central meridian and are in standard time.
My other suggestion would be to use these "computers" that are all the rage now and publish times based on the actual longitude of the destination. You'd need to know GPS coordinates for precision, but within a city the difference wouldn't be substantial. We could then define "midnight" as the actual middle of the night at your longitude and count forward through your actual day. Given a GPS coordinate and a time would give a time coordinate precisely without all the tables of of time zones and DST data.
I used to have fantasies of decimal time in Middle School. Where are the French when you need them?
Mental illness runs the gamut, from full blown delusional/demented/psychotic, to what used to be considered "eccentric". Gay people used to be considered mentally ill, as were opinionated women.
You think I'm a bigot, I think you're a self-important twit. Which one of us is crazy?
You clearly have some internal idea of what 'crazy' is and you have decided to slap the mental illness label on it. You have not thought this through and have only reacted based on your own bigoted stereotypes. But as far as the definition for twit, I think it actually applies more to you. You refuse to accept criticism and challenge your stereotypes. And when confronted with examples of your bigotry, you simply attack those who point it out instead of reflecting on whether they are right nor not. And you mock people by calling them 'dear' in every post. So yes, you are the twit here.
And by the way, 'crazy' is a ableist slur when used in a discussion of mental illness. Do you have any shame?
I especially don't understand the people who want DST all year. If we're going to have the clocks the same all year (like we should), they should be set to Standard Time all year, so noon is around when the sun is highest. Set your business hours whenever you want to set them, so you can still go home and enjoy the evening. It's not like anybody is open 9:00 to 5:00 anyway.
The definition of disability in the ADA includes people with mental illness who meet one of these three definitions:
1 A physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities of an individual
2 A record of such an impairment
3 Being regarded as having such an impairment
Just set the clocks FORWARD, let schools start at sane hours (no more of this 7:10 first bell bullshit...it makes ZERO sense to start school over an hour before the average adult begins their work day), and make everyone happy they get to see a little sunshine (er, at least daylight) every day.
However, I will say, upon further reflection, what we need is *more* time zones, not fewer. I love your late sunsets in the summer up there in the PNW (okay, love/hate, since I'm 3 hours ahead when I get there and often just want to sleep on day 1, but come to adore seeing sun after 9 PM, which we just don't get), but I also understand that those come with late sunrises in the winter. By the same token, please understand the plight of the extreme E and NE, where the sun sets only a few minutes after 4 PM during EST in the winter (seriously...the earliest sunsets in Maine are around 4:01 PM, we drop below 5 PM in DC). And we don't get to enjoy the late summer sunsets...here in DC, we top off at around 8:30 PM, WITH DST...Maine barely bests 8 PM. There's no way we can get out and play a good rec sports game without daylight saving (we get only 25 minutes more daylight WITH daylight saving than you would get without). So maybe I should say...shift all the time zone boundaries a little east, creating at least one new one, and THEN move everyone to daylight time. Therefore, your summer sunsets and winter sunrises would comport with the clock and so would ours.