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If this is the way police behave in progressive blue cities, I can't even imagine the shit that goes on in conservative red cities.
And those are the people who told voters last fall they, not the incumbent mayor, were the real reformers.
Great leadership on this issue Mayor.
Meanwhile, Murray stands motionless next to him like a statue.
While the incident in question was obviously not on the level of some of the SPD's more violent behavior, it was completely inappropriate for an officer to treat a citizen that way. How the department and the city responds to incidents like this is important as an indicator of how police reform is going. So the incident is greater than the sum of its parts as a measure of the health of the police department, which the asshole commenters fail to understand. So thank you, thank you.
And goddammit, I'm still pissed that Pugel was demoted. That guy was actually starting to make me feel better about the SPD, which is saying something considering what a dim view I had of them. Thanks, Murray.
First, thanks to Dom for being so dogged about this.
Second, yeah the part about this that most pisses me off is the either incompetent or malicious (take your pick) demotion of Pugel. Pugel was making real progress in changing the orientation within SPD and of promoting very good people. The guy went to Vienna last year to talk about new approaches to drug policy at the UN Office on Drugs and Crime. He won an award from the Drug Policy Alliance. He sent one of his Captains to the International Harm Reduction Conference in Lithuania. He wrote op-ed pieces in favor of syringe exchange, good Samaritan laws, harm reduction, and the need to approach drug use as a public health problem.
The leading proponents of drug policy reform nationally and internationally (Drug Policy Alliance and Open Society Foundations), of harm reduction (the Harm Reduction Coalition), and of HIV/AIDS prevention (AmFAR) routinely ask him to talk/testify.
Law enforcement and criminal justice folks from all across the United States have visited Seattle to learn about Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion ([LEAD] a pilot project he championed). Other cities are adopting it. And the Drug Policy Alliance just issued a fact sheet on it.
Yep this is the guy that Murray canned.
For that alone Murray should ask for a mulligan here. He's already fucked things up so badly, he may spend the rest of his term trying to undo it.
Reading about all of this I can't help but think of some of the nefarious self-dealing bullshit depicted on The Wire, which of course, sucks. Why? Well, my experience with the SPD couldn't be more different than this; the SPD has been courteous, responsive, and professional. There are clearly two faces here, and that's where the problem lies.
So we go straight past cognitive dissonance right back to two-faced and self-dealing, and The Wire. Not right, and not what we're looking for.
Damn. What a load of sleeze balls...
Guessing the bad apples on the force are feeling a little less constrained right about now, out there on the street. Just got to avoid video...
Were there an 'Office of Professional Accountability' for 'journalist' it would tell Dom that reporting a story you are a participant in violates journalistic ethical conduct rules, and would call his behavior "indefensible."
what. a. whiny. pussy.
Dominic is winning here, and SPD is losing. Keep up the good work, Dom!
—Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
where it's unavoidable they should
— Disclose unavoidable conflicts.
Dominic is certainly being "vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable" and I salute his work
Also, I admire The Stranger for continuing to allow anonymous comments on SLOG, even from fucking nitwits
Fuck the pigs. They are the enemy.
Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think.
Call Lyft or a cab or a friend to take you to the hospital. The police are never to be trusted. They view you as an enemy to be eradicated. They want to kill you, not help you.
Take such incidents to trial, where justice isn’t veiled by the POBAR. It’s not a matter of litigious vindictiveness. It’s just the only available way. The SF Office of Citizen Complaints is not a valid alternative. Nor is the SPD equivalent. They are shams.
Consider wearing a video camera at all times. It has been shown that when police wear cameras and are aware of being filmed, it moderates their behavior. As self reports of the need to use force decrease, so do complaints.
Its as though somehow they imagine themselves constrained to either give him a lame punishment that at least carries an official misconduct demerit, OR to give him training so he wont do it again. Even though they obviously can do BOTH, and are repeatedly told so by everyone everywhere.
The "my hands are tied!" line doesn't work when your hands are obviously untied. It just makes you look even more dishonest.
I rather like the way they have balanced the pluses and minuses by having the anonymous postings require choice on the part of the reader.
Our last election was between the tunnel hating bike guy, vs the do nothing state guy who once voted for gay marriage, cause he was gay.
We've got a gang that can't shoot straight and DOJ is bound to notice pretty quick here.
His views on reform are also quite interesting. Basically, reform is not the actual changing of the department for the better, reform is everyone falling in line behind the electeds who have already determined what the reform process will look like. Such electeds and their process cannot be challenged - at least, that's what its practitioners think.
Everybody got the reform story wrong for two years, and we are now all paying the price. This should be a lesson that real reform means civilian power over the department. It does not giving that power to a DOJ official, a mayor, or a city attorney, or a police union.
Does this reek of blatant payback, or does Bailey have something on the mayor?
Keep this in the forefront, Dom! This is exactly the type of thing that the DoJ needs to be looking at.
This is very confusing.
Durkan won the first round of battles and accomplished getting rid of McGinn and probably thought she was on her way to running SPD. But, she's in danger of losing the war here because Murray (and adviser Podlodowski) don't have a clue about who's who in SPD and how to fix the dept. She's saddled with dull tools and if they keep fucking up she's going to have to cut and run.
Its only confusing if you think that politicians are honest
I wasn't exactly thrilled about Murray as Mayor but it don't imagine he would be this shitty this quickly.
Though if the SPD would like to pay me police wages to make some powerpoints and do a little presentation at roll call, I'll happily take the position. I mean punishment.
Well, it could be confusing if you think that politicians are smarter about covering their dirty tracks, too.
1. 90% of the people who have ever met or interacted with Dominic want to yell at him.
2. To have any credibility on this story the Stranger must turn it over to another reporter. This is an egomaniacal grudge match in the guise of social justice now.
Yes, how the police decides to "discipline" Officer Marion is a problem. The Chief's decision not to creates a sense of mistrust of the police, making the public less likely to seek help from the police in situations that might lead to the shooting you just described.
In addition, what do last night's shootings have to do with the post here? This post was put up before 5 pm and then updated an hour later. When did the shootings take place? Are you expecting Slog to predict the future?
Regarding your two items:
1. What is the source of your 90% claim?
2. Bullshit. For you, it would not be credible reporting no matter who the Stranger assigned to the story.
On Thursday I sas givin a ticket for over a thousand dollars because I questioned an officers decision making. I drive a concrete mixer truck. The officer in question stopped me on a very steep hill so he could make a very unsafe u turn. I tried to let the officer know the jeopardy he had put my job in. He told me to pull over and he would explain it to me. Instead of an explanation he handed me a ticket for failure to vive way to an emergency vehicle $1062.00. I dont even know where to start or go for help. Do you or any readers know what I can do.
Trumped up charges in Seattle.
I am extremely confident that if the circumstances changed even slightly---if Dominic had been a bit less deferential, insisted on staying on the transit plaza, told Marion that he had every right to record police in public, reminded Marion that this is First-Amendment-protected activity, had dark skin, had met that asshole in a dark alley instead of broad daylight with witnesses---he'd have landed himself in jail on trumped-up charges, possibly injured.
He's stuck out the process by which we are told to seek redress in such circumstances, and it is failing miserably. This cop's inexcusable behavior was met with a wrist-slap, then modified by Murray's appointee to a wrist-slap that won't look so bad on his employment record. It's failing because the deck is stacked in favor of police rather than the people they serve, and it's failing because Murray stepped in and tried to show that he could take charge, politician-style, without first learning the lay of the land at SPD. The SPD are playing Murray, and it's harming the public.
That sucks. The first thing to do is probably contact your union rep and get advice from them on how to proceed.
I can help. How can you be contacted?
The officer engaged in misconduct, the chief has decided on a course of action, a course that I don't see as calamitous as most of the commenters here. Claims that Murray has let corruption seep in seem wildly inaccurate to me, though I'm certainly not opposed to investigation or questioning of the action or process. Given the miserable failure of the last administration to manage this issue, I understand that people are skeptical. I have more faith in the current process - much more- that's just me. So, follow through, ask questions, work the process. But I don't think that Dominic Holden should be writing about it.
Of course, Dominic has every right to follow through with the process of a complainant. I have serious issues with Dominic also reporting on that process. That presents a personal claim as quantitative fact and & effectively shuts down dissenting opinion form the writer's narrative. And I think that's bad journalism. Dominic should be removed from this story and someone else should be covering it. It's like having a doctor operate on a member of their own family. It's not right.
And, yes, the fact that two people were shot last night in Downtown/Belltown is a story to me that has more import & impact. Doesn't event rise to the level of a blurb on Slog, where writer's grievances, annoyances & personality clashes reach headline, multi-part stories.
You're frustrated by the SPD. I'm frustrated by the Stranger. At least you have a public process to make change. I have a comment box.
You can't be that concerned about yesterday's shootings; after all, it appears you didn't even look at the scant reporting of them to be able to say accurately where they occurred.
(Hint: not Belltown.)
Meanwhile crimes go unsolved and real people need help while The Stranger sheds bitter tears over Murray and Dom.
Thank you for your insights. The kind of help you offer is of such import that modern linguists have even coined a word for it: "Duh."
It would be befitting for all of us to apply your behest to all of your comments.
fact is dominic was threatened. fact is he complained. fact is discipline (weak ass discipline) was assigned along with a censure. fact is discipline and censure were overturned. fact is new chief of SPD lied about it. fact is murray doesn't care.
what can you extrapolate from these facts? and why should the parties move on?
And less police cover ups by insiders
I think this "under the bus" thing is an example of how progressive Seattle is, in a good way. Yes, hes gay. No we dont care about it. At all. Most people in Seattle view being gay as such a normal thing, that the whole saint or sinner syndrome has been left behind. He can be gay, and be dishonest.
I'm trying to figure out if Murray is corrupt or incompetent. Perhaps a bit of both?
From the initial report: "Sources also said that it is Marion’s idea because he was tired of the media attention. The source said Marion knows he could have handled the incident in a better way and wants to put it behind him."
I believe that Mr. Holden is still owed a formal apology from this guy, though, and I'd still love to be a 'fly on the wall' at the roll calls where he presents his book report. I can imagine the cop-chatter and smirking that will be going on.