I submit that until f.u. passes a Turing test he should be fed only on lint and WD40. Situation to be reassessed when the squeaking stops, if anyone remembers.

I claim no such thing. Her father, due to his negligence is at fault and should be punished for it.

Not prosecuting her has nothing to do with "The adults there having decided that that little girl does not deserve additional suffering", but rather the fact that a three year old, under the law, cannot be held responsible for her actions.
She is not culpable. Her father is, and he should be punished just as he would be if his victims weren't related to him.
Lying? Have you not expressed the opinion that the father should be spared prosecution because to do so would cause suffering to his family? That the daughter would suffer more emotionally and economically due to his incarceration? My cousin had a young son, when due to his negligence some one died, and my cousin went to prison for it. The justice system did not take into account that his child would deal with any of these negative consequences which you have stated should be used as mitigating circumstances in this incident. So either you believe punishment for a death due to negligence is appropriate, or you feel that if the responsible party ( which would be the adult. A three year old cannot be so deemed under the law) is remorseful and has dependents they should not be held accountable in a court of law.

@106: I know right? He's like a malfunctioning mechanical parrot.

@Fairly_unbalanced, I'll say what you want to hear. "I don't give anymore of a shit about the 3yr. old girl then HER PARENTS WHO LEFT A LOADED GUN LAYING AROUND FOR HER TO PICK UP DID."

Is that what you FUCKING WANT TO HEAR/READ?

Her PARENTS FAILED HER IN VERY BASIC WAY AND SHE HAS A LIFETIME TO DEAL WITH THAT.

That is THEIR fault, their crime. THEY should pay for it. As for the 3 yr old, yeah her life is fucked, it was FUCKED because she had SHITTY PARENTS.

P.S F.U. how much you want to bet her parents had those toddler catches on the under the sink cupboard where all the poisons cleaning stuff is kept but OH the gun on the coffee table, THAT'S 2ND AMENDMENT AMERICAN RIGHTS......

Anyhoo Unbalanced, my original point stands.
Having your ass handed to you for saying stupid shit by some one who hangs out in the same blog is by no stretch of the imagination being stalked.

"The arrest, prosecution, and—if they're found guilty—imprisonment of other gun owning idiots whose improperly stored guns result in the deaths of their own children. "

That is in fact the usual outcome in one of these cases. The police will report the findings of their investigation to their DA. The DA will follow up with charges.

"That isn't going to happen, of course, not in America, where guns are cherished and children are expendable: authorities in Utah say they're “comfortable referring to this case as an accidental shooting""

You have omitted the rest of that quote, presumably to justify your rabid approach to this issue. Allow me to present the remainder of the quote - "however, we are still under the obligation of having the case reviewed. Referral to the court system, if any, will be determined at that time.”

So, the Sheriff's dept has concluded that it was a tragic, but preventable accident - and the process which will result in the prosecution of the gun owner is ongoing.

What is it you would like to have happen here by presenting partial and misattributed quotes Dan? What issue can possibly be well served by that approach?

103, if someone committs armed robbery, I don't think the suffering of their kids is a factor. I just don't agree with jailing people for accidents. Not even drunk driving, which many honest peoople will admit to. Here's my problem. I once forgot to buckle my newborn's car seat, then drove 200 miles. Thats the negligence equivalent of leaving a loaded gun out, isn't it? Should I be in jail? What if I had stepped on the brakes at some point? If you want to argue jail will cut down on accidental gun deaths, you have to consider all the ways a small lapse in usual good judgement causes death or injury. Most of us have had these moments, maybe some less horrific than others, so you better be prepared with alot of jail space and foster families.

@114: Your baby didn't die though. I understand what you are saying, accidents do happen, but we used approach drunk driving that way, and now we don't. I don't feel holding gun owners to the same standard as drivers is unreasonable. And again if it had been some one else's child you had forgotten to secure in its car seat, and you had stepped on the brake and injured or killed it, you most certainly have faced severe consequences.
So I have two points: one that gun owners, which I happen to be, should be held to at least the same standard as car owners when considering liability, and two, people shouldn't get a pass if it is their own children they have injured rather than some one else's child.

@107
"I claim no such thing."

Yes you are.
That little girl accidentally shot and killed her brother.
If she had not shot her brother then this would not be an issue.

"Lying?"

Yes, lying.
You are a liar.
"Should my cousin, as Unbalanced suggests, have gone unpunished?"
I never suggested that.

How much more should that little girl be punished for something she did when she was 3?
How much additional suffering should she be put through for your tastes?

Nope and nope.
Father is culpable not the child
Father should be punished
You disagree
You think he should not be punished because of the mitigating circumstance of having dependents (his daughter)
If he gets a pass, then why not my cousin whose case was similar?
If my cousin goes to prison for an accidental death caused by his negligence why not the father in this case?
You either believe one, Unbalanced, or the other.

You gish gallop all you want. Call people liars and stalkers, nobody cares. We've read your opinion and dismissed it, and that's the end of it.
All further posts by you on this topic are a waste of your time, but you know, feel free to squawk and squeal for as long as you like, just don't delude yourself that your posts are anything more than that.

Why do I get a pass because he didn't die? I was just as negligent as this kid's dad or your cousin. What are we trying to punish, the negligence or the death? If we only want to punish when a death occurs, aren't we just being vengeful?

@117
"Father is culpable not the child"

You should not use words that you do not understand.
The little girl shot and killed her brother.
Unless you are denying that fact?

"If he gets a pass, then why not my cousin whose case was similar?"

It seems you are denying that fact.
Unless your cousin killed his sister/brother when he was 3?

How much more should that little girl be punished for something she did when she was 3?
How much additional suffering should she be put through for your tastes?

Never mind, same reason assault gets upgraded to murder if the victim dies. It seems emotional to me, though.

&118 & 120: You get a pass because nothing happened. There is no way to tell that you did or did not secure the car seat. You can't be prosecuted or even cited if nobody knows. If you had gotten pulled over, and the cop saw the car seat, then you would have been ticketed, and that would have been appropriate. If you had hit the brakes and the child had died then harsher penalties would have been appropriate, as per your example @120.
This was father was negligent, a child died, and he should be held accountable.
But yeah I don't think you and I are to far off the same page on this.
The whole situation is so awful.

Yeah, sometimes being a human sucks.