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White guy riding the bus and making a face at this post.
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White guy riding a bus and ROFL when we all know it's the tax-subsidized Rich who hate the bus, even though their tax rate is 1/4 that of the poor & middle class.
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I asked for the "longer than hell" roads. My bad.
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The black man boards the bus with a wheeled carry-on bag. I hope Charles made sure he didn't put that on a seat.
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Yup, where I live it's white people (conservative white men and the white women who love them) who don't just think we should de-prioritize public transportation (saying we can't afford transit because taxes, and roads are better) but actively oppose it. They call it the crime train that brings those people from the inner city out into our white neighborhoods. Underneath a very thin layer of euphemisms their opposition is explicitly race-based.
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"on the the other, you just got white men."



"only 41 percent wanted more of the same, more roads, more of what has not worked out well, more of what is leading us to an ecological nightmare. The not surprising thing is that the figure for those in favor of public transportation options rose to 61 percent when the survey isolated urban inhabitants; and the very surprising thing is it only dropped to 48 percent when rural inhabitants were isolated. At appears that lots of people in the middle of nowhere want the socialism of public transportation. But this is just a bunch of bad dreaming. This is not how it works in reality. The rural people must stick with their dying roads. If you live in the country, you live with your cars. You can't have it both ways. Public transportation is only meaningful in dense locations.



Finally, the survey showed that support for public transportation options is found among educated whites and the rainbow of minorities; and those who want roads, wider roads, longer than hell roads are mostly conservative, Christian, white, and male."



Wow. Race baiting, classism, regional exceptionalism, religion bashing, invective, and misspelling all in the same article.



This is a textbook example of the future direction of The Stranger. If you don't like corporatism masking as "New Urbanism", prepare to be attacked on every front The Stranger can attack you on.
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It should be illegal to live outside cities. We definitely need cosmopolitanism By Any Means Necessary. The rural route leads straight to hell and if you aren't delivering our produce on it you're fair game. Kill Kountry Krackerz!
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I disagree. White guys love public transportation. They love sitting right at the front and refusing to move when a person who NEEDS those seats enters the bus. The white male has perfected the art of ignoring all around them while on the bus.
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I can usually spot the larger point you are trying to make but the 48% statistic really left you out to dry here.
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"You can't have it both ways. Public transportation is only meaningful in dense locations."

Tell that to areas like Western Massachusetts, where the PVTA provides free busing to five different colleges and at least half a dozen different suburban and rural towns.
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Charles, you dumb bastard.
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Good Morning Charles,
Well all right, I'll take the bait. Actually, "white men" DO like taking the bus or train. I know I do and I'm right of center. I don't even own a car. I dig public transit big time. There are definitely many white men on my daily bus route.

However, that "One can break down the US's political order into two crude but still meaningful parts. On one side, you have a mix of educated or cosmopolitan white men, white women, and sexual/religious/cultural/racial minorities; on the other, you just got white men. This is the left and right of the American electorate." is indeed, crude and probably mistaken.

I get your point Charles. You're pitting cosmopolitanism against small mindedness and/or xenophobia. But, consider the opposite of your posting title. Does that black man boarding the bus like it? Or, would he rather have a car to drive?

I just think your deduction too simplistic. That's all. I worship pubic transit and voted to expand it.

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But we do like to bike commute.
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Yeah, well, white males are the main demographics of the know nothing right wing so their opposing public transit is hardly surprising.



@9 Deep poverty in rural areas mitigates anti-public funding propaganda but it doesn't invalidate the point that white males aren't very progressive on average.
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Efficient public transit must penetrate rural country. This is the beauty of public transit in Europe--it goes everywhere.
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Inflammatory headline aside, the fact that the belligerently anti-transit, pro-car people are disproportionately white males is hard to argue.
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Public transportation would be extremely meaningful in the rural locations where buses don't reach, because transit companies don't think it's worth running less-than-standing-only buses.
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@ 5 I also live in the white neighborhood with a fair number of Asians and Indians and they are very welcoming of the yellow and brown people.
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That's funny. The passengers on the bus I road (E line/358) this morning was mostly white. Men & women. This is Seattle after all. Perhaps you were referring to somewhere else, other than our fine borough.
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@19 Oops, typo alert - rode not road.
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Tomorrow, Charles will write about how whites prefer cats how blacks prefer dogs.
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Dunning-Kruger + Sturgeon's Law = Internet comment threads.
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As a mostly white person, I love the bus. I love it when people spill drinks on the bus. Tag all the seats with a black sharpie marker. Love it when I have to stand in the rain waiting for a bus that's 20 minutes every day for the past year. I love sharing the bus with loud teenagers after school. Love it when people decide to roll their blunts on the bus, which makes the driver think someones is smoking MJ in the back. And if they are smoking it, they use a vaporizer and with high as fuck shit eating grin tell you "Im not smoking, Im vaping!". I love how my commuter bus is connected to the sounder train and if the train is late at arriving in the Kent station, the bus doesn't leave until it does. Why have the train passengers be late, when we can ALL be late.

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Charles you're on a slippery slope here with this parochial urbanism crap. Your ideology is starting to become like the Khmer Rouge in reverse.
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@23, you know if you tell the bus driver somebody is smoking, vaping, tagging, being obnoxious, or listening to their iPhone without headphones in the back of the bus, they'll either stop the bus and refuse to move until they disembark or call transit security to meet the bus a few stops away.



If you're not being part of the solution, why are you complaining about the problem?
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It's funny how even in this, with it's clear and enunciated statistical breakdown, we need to #NotAllWhiteMen, lest too many pairs of panties become twisted...



Ultimately, I think that educated white males like public transportation because they take nicer forms of it, while white men in general, find that their public transportation options do not adequately preserve their usual privilege.



Admittedly, this interpretation simply confirms my bias, as I love the train, but only support buses in the abstract and for other people.
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@25. Nah, i'm better off bitch slapping that person. I don't want to miss the my connecting bus.
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Is it really that surprising that white American men have internalized the "independent at all costs" message of this country and that translates into never wanting to get out of their SOVs? C'mon.

@15,

No, it doesn't. There are plenty of isolated rural towns in Europe that are only accessible by car.
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How does this borderline autistic communist mongoloid keep drawing a paycheck at the stranger?Can anybody explain?Is he their affirmative action token hire for the year?Chuckie, quit taking surreptitious pictures of people, you passive-aggressive creep.
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It's just that cars are marketed so expertly, and so many men have such dull lives that they see their identity in their car. Automotive advertising is both awesome in its effectiveness and creepy in its results.
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@27, if you want to be dragged off the bus, cuffed and stuffed for assault be my guest. I've already had to hold down one crazy on the bus until the police arrived.
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I'm curious how the views break down by age. While I don't have enough data to be sure, it seems like younger folk are much less likely to enjoy driving for the sake of driving. Some of the romanticism of cars seems to be wearing away. They are no longer the cool, new technology people want to access that they once were. When more people view driving as an annoying chore they do to get where they're going, more people consider public transit and the freedom to safely look at your phone while you are on it. I think this is an issue where there can easily be generational effects.
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First of all, none of this should be news to anyone.



Second of all, I think it's actually encouraging that high of a percentage of rural people would be in favor of increased transit funding - 49% with a 3.5% MOE might as well be a majority.



I expected the conservatives, Christians, and un-college-educated white males to own that vote (they're probably at least 75% of that audience). So, way to go rural folks!
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i don't even read the articles anymore, i just read the comments
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Black writers make gross generalizations.

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