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I think the praise for real bravery should go to those men and women who cannot afford to completely surgically transform their face and body, and do their best to go through life as they are, as incongruous as their appearance may be with their gender conviction.
And she's a republican.
Sorry, no prize.
I don't hate poor people, it's just difficult to be around them. Fr-instance, not one of my poor people friends have accepted my invitation to go dutch at Paseo. Hello?? It's not THAT spendy. On the verge of telling them to get a life, seriously, for real.
So it doesn't count that she made the transition? You have nothing positive to say about that? And "not one person in twenty" could survive life under the celebrity microscope, let alone without the support of their own tribe.
I'm trans and have not yet started presenting full time. I find Jenner definitely very brave
Keep dreaming, I'm a dreamer too. We gots to stick together amongst these reality show wanks.
It isn't about money. It isn't about politics. It is about bravery, courage, and showing other people they are not alone. She gets the prize. Not from you, but from the greater trans community. You see, they/we are the target. We are the judge. We award the ribbon.
Look to me and #11. We are the ones she was looking to inspire. She has. With all due respect, in this arena, our inspiration is more valuable than your skepticism and demand to politicize our struggle.
She's 65, Jesus.
Re the flaming toilets. God almighty. The bloody earth is falling apart, ISIS is running mad all over the place and people worry about which fucking toilet someone is gonna use.
@14 - I think you're right about why American bathroom stalls afford so little privacy. And those fears are, of course, not entirely unjustified. But an occasional bathroom-stall sexytime or line-snorting or what have you is not a huge deal. In a really sketchy neighborhood, maybe go with the less private stalls. Otherwise, who cares? People gonna do what they're gonna do. 'swhat I think anyway.
Ugh, the bloody American obsession over sex, bodily functions and nudity is just bizarre. Who cares about the stupid toilets, just do your thing and get out. I see boys who are almost teens going to the women's loo and locker rooms with their moms all the time. Where's the squawking over that? I'd feel much more discomfort over boys going through puberty seeing me in dishabille than with transgender people.
- am glad we can finally call her "she". The ambiguity was driving me crazy;
- find it telling that she chose a mag called Vanity Fair for her introduction to the world. Once a Kardashian...;
- am delighted that she's a Republican. That should mess with their head alright. Can't wait to read what SeattleBlues has to say about that, it should be hilarious;
- hope that she won't only inspire trans people, but that she'll also help transphobes get over it already.
Couldn't VF have given us a different Trans woman as a first.
Across the U.S. (and internationally), kids, teenagers and adults who are questioning themselves or want to make the transition but are fearful (and perhaps bullied) can look at this and say 'It's possible'. They can see the full transition Caitlyn made and apply the possibility to their own lives, and feel like there's a future for them (it gets better, kids, you heard it here first!). That's pretty damn phenomenal. Maybe we can wait on the Pub-bashing while we allow the tremendous good this will do to be appreciated and celebrated?
Her party affiliation sends a very strong message that she supports either directly or indirectly the hate being perpetrated against all LGBT individuals. She's nothing but a media whore like the rest of her brood.
And the Transgender community would have been better served by so many other people to represent, then a Kardashian bought their way to another magazine cover
To continue discussing your last sentence (specifically whether or not having a penis kills the look for her), that also varies widely. I for one desire a transition that gives me female breasts and keeps the full size of my penis. It is why I choose to call myself non-binary. But many trans women keep their penises and still desire to be thought of as women.
Love my eldest's college. All facilities are considered available to all and say "Restroom with Urinal" and "Restroom without Urinal" on the door.
Poor SB, now he's a victim. Boo hoo.
I'm not saying the GOP is awesome. It sucks. I hate it. But its most despicable actions can be directly tied to religious platforms and movements within the party as opposed to the party as a whole. I choose to blame the people who started the movement, and that's Falwell, not the GOP.
I don't get the Republicanism, either -- but that would be true regardless of Jenner's gender identity. But Jenner became rich and famous at a very young age, and that can warp one's sense of other people's struggles. I've had a lot of gay friends who were Republicans when they first came out due to their family upbringings, and in time became Democrats -- quite liberal ones at that. I wouldn't be surprised if Caitlyn eventually transitions political parties, too. And yeah, it would be a little sad that it took experiencing right wing vitriol personally to do it, rather than empathy for others experiencing it. But I'm curious to see the political impact from this very public journey.
Bit tacky VF is showcasing her at this time.
Unfortunately, by now, all of the Republican party's actions are "most despicable", and for all intents and purposes, there no longer is a "party as a whole" distinct from its religious extremists.
#66, I can point at a scant handful of Rand and Ron Paul positions I support, so I feel I can distinguish between the party line and the religious line. I understand if others do not share my sentiment, however. I have stated my opinion, that is all. I hope nobody considers that opinion a defense of the GOP's actions. I respect the differing opinions of others even as I disagree with them for the most part.
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Now, why would she have her dick cut off and then have to wear a strap on?
I guess it's a 'best of both worlds' kinda thing.
If we are to dislike Caitlyn, let us do it for her politics, her ideas, who she is. Disliking her for the politics of the GOP or for actions hyped and twisted to death by the media just seems mean spirited to me (I am not accusing you of this, btw.).
Yet, I admire her for being brave and owning her truth.
Mr Kevin - One never knows with athletes, but it takes what it takes. It would have been nice had Billie Jean King persuaded John McEnroe to support equal prize money, too.
See Laverne Cox's response to the public praising of Caitlyn's new look. She manages to offer her own praise while steering the conversation in a very thoughtful direction. She doesn't just evasively settle on some snarky observation about everyone ELSE's reaction.
Though I'm sure she'll put out an inspiring It Gets Better video for the transgendered youth who face endless persecution from her own political party can watch and take away a lesson of what NOT to become. Then they can watch someone inspiring like Laverne Cox or Chaz Bono and learn how to live with true dignity.
Millions and millions of dollars of plastic surgery.
Heavy emphasis on "plastic".
If Caitlin helps to normalise transgender people, because she is who she is, then really we could say this tribe of jellyfish she belongs to, have finally done good.
Sooo you'd still be a pariah there as well.
Poor you. :)
I'm glad you are young and healthy. It means that you have a long life in which to watch everything you shake your fist against come true.
Seriously, at this point in the digital age, how can people be so naive?
That's a laugh.
Intelligence, as I've said before here, has been defined as the capacity to adapt. You have none.
You're a joke. You're a caricature. You're Archie fucking Bunker.
You're just a moron we all like to laugh at, and you're not even bright enough to understand that, since you constantly come back for more.
And you dare call yourself smart? That's your best joke yet.
Besides, the only thing I really remember about AITF is how offensively reactionary Archie Bunker was... 40 years ago. Which says a lot about SB, doesn't it?
And, once you've read that and have realized that you are wrong about who is male and who is female - because all those studies done by scientists do prove you wrong - you should try to demonstrate that you have a brain and admit that you were wrong. Because that's what people with a minimal amount of intelligence do when they are proven wrong: they admit it and they do their best to learn what is right.
But as you've shown time and again, when you are proven wrong (by statistics, scientific studies or logical arguments, i.e. arguments that are not based on mere prejudice like yours), you simply change the subject. And that, as a universal rule, is what stupid people do.
Finally, just so you know: You are not even worthy of my disdain. The only thing you are worthy of is ridicule.
You say "people" as if you believe that generic people care where other people pee. No, it's simply just uber conservatives who are looking for more avenues to attack trans people. The reason we progressives care who pees where is in order to protect trans people from thee right-wing attacks.
Srsly? I’m registered as a Republican voter, and my party affiliation is solely because I want to vote in Republican primaries. Living in a red state, the general election inevitably goes to the Republican candidate. Voting in the Republican primaries gives me some say in who actually ends up in office. Forgive me for being pragmatic instead of paranoid about the dreaded party-that-must-not-be-named.
Keep in mind, I haven’t signed my name in blood to always (or ever) vote for Republican candidates in the general election, or to support every (or any) aspect of the Republican party platform. I still support, e.g., reproductive rights and vote for candidates in positions to affect them who do the same, despite that nasty “R” stamped on my voter registration card. So what, exactly, is my horrific sin? How am I “affiliating with” the likes of Santorum? Please, explain this to me so that I may see the error in my ways.