No, she believed her BLM horseshit and her sacred identity as an eternal black victim allowed her to challenged a white cop. Had she checked her ghetto attitude she'd have driven away with a ticket she deserved. She's the architect of her own demise.

It's amazing how little time elapsed from this empirical account of injustice (an LEO abusing his power for the sake of his own piddling ego), and the Defenders of the Well-Defended making their bold stand in favor of white supremacy and state tyranny. Is there like a signal that goes up in the sky or...? And why do these people read The Stranger?
First of all, I want to distance myself miles and miles away from #1 & 2.
That said, I think he did technically have the right to ask her to get out and to arrest her.…

He may have stepped over the line by leaning in and trying to drag her out of the car but the real question is why did he immediately push right up against the maximum enforcement within his power? Would he have done that with a well-to-do looking white man?
I think it goes back to what you said yesterday about cops not being afraid of African Americans. He ain't gonna let that uppity so-and-so talk to him that way, whereas with a distinguished older white gentleman it would have been "yes. sir, sorry sir" IF he even pulled him over for such a minor thing to begin with.
And speaking of hideous trolls can't #1 be deleted and banned like SB has been lately?
Ban @1 already.

@2 if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
Does anyone know whether a police officer is required to tell someone they are under arrest, when they arrest someone? One thing I found surprising was how Encina did not communicate to Bland what was happening. He created and then perpetuated a confusing situation. I would like to think that if at some point I'm pulled over/questioned/detained/arrested, I will at least know what is being done to me, and why, even if I don't agree with it. That did not happen here.
@6 I'm eternal, like a Phoenix against pc nonsense. I'll always return to irritate prissy pansies like you.
Ban him! I'm offended...ooh my buttplug is too tight. Ban those naughty dissenters! SLOG is doing well I see.
The two question I have not heard are: Was Bland on medication and, if so, was she denied her medication while imprisoned? An abrupt cessation of prescribed meds can lead to irrational behavior. I hope the independent autopsy will answer these questions. I have no hope that the official autopsy will be of any value.
@8: there's PC nonsense and there's racist horseshit. your comment is the latter.

I'd hope you're reincarnated as a poor black woman, but reincarnation isn't real.
There's a good time to demand your rights, and doing it in front of a State Trooper is usually the wrong time.

Here's the property response to any command:

1) Yes Officer

followed by

2) Whatever you say, Officer

follwed by:

3) Thank you, Officer

Save the rest of it for your lawyer later on (if you really are stupid enough to piss off the entire force by mouthing off).

Think of it this way...suppose you were a deadly criminal...wouldn't you want the police to be harsh and through? I know I do!

Yeah, maybe harsh and thorough when you're investigating someone for A DEADLY CRIME and not someone that fucking pulled into another lane without signalling.
@13: good advice. next time you're black in tejas, I think you should follow that method. but you could still wind up with a concussion.
It is so disgusting and disturbing that so many people believe that she behaved in any kind of way that justifies her being DEAD now. Are you people serious? Do you realize there is video of white people threatening police physically (even with guns) and NOT ONE OF THEM IS DEAD and many of them were never even arrested - they got off with a ticket or a warning or some sort of empathetic response such as being taken to the hospital because they were considered mentally ill. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO IN ANY WAY BELIEVES THIS COP WAS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO DO WHAT HE DID AND THAT THIS WOMAN'S ARREST AND DEATH IS JUSTIFIABLE IS A POS. If this happened to any of you, you'd be screaming bloody murder and threatening to sue. White America is truly so firmly entrenched in their rights to behave as they please and serve as judge and jury as to how all non-white people should behave it is truly unbelievable. Police officers are supposed to be well trained to deal with and diffuse situations. Police officers who instigate and escalate situations should be fired and punished for the absolute inability to do their job. EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY NOT ACTIVELY OUTRAGED BY THE NEVER ENDING LIST OF BLACK PEOPLE MURDERED BY COPS OR WANNA BE COPS LIKE GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS A POS. It is time for this insanity to be shut down completely and every single excuse made or justification spouted that makes BS like this OK in your mind is nothing but rationalization for your acceptance of abuse of power and outright murder of citizens in this country. GET A FREAKING GRIP ON REALITY.
@6 an officer does need to inform you that you are arrested in order to apprehend you beyond issuing you a ticket. if you are not arrested, the only right the police officer has is to issue you your ticket. He was clearly looking to antagonize.…

My question is, do we as citizens have the right to have our arrest remain on camera for it's entirety? I can't find any information suggesting that we do. I think it would promote a climate of safety and proper protocol. I know that, in a lot of situations that clearly has not mattered, but I'm curious as to whether or not we have that right. Considering he dragged her off camera.

TROOPER: "Do you mind putting out your cigarette, please?"

BLAND: "I'm in my car. Why do I have to put out my cigarette?"

why is every media outlet calling this an order?

an act of asking politely or formally for something.
politely or formally ask for.

she was forced out of her car at taser-point by questioning the cops request.
if a cop asks to search your car and you refuse does that mean the cops get to point weapons at you and then arrest you for denying their request?
Never reading comments again
We live in a country where teenager skateboarders are shot for allegedly stealing beer, women are murdered for not signalling, and men are strangled for selling cigarettes... by police officers. Regardless of whether their actions were legal prior to their deaths, how can you accept that their deaths were necessary? Personally, I jaywalk sometimes and I don't think that gives a cop the right to murder me. But then I didn't grow up in the Nazi Germany.
Fuck the police. They need to pay for their crimes
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

"This offense was committed against the peace and dignity of the state of Texas."
It's like Thanksgiving dinner up in here.
@1- You'd have made a really good Nazi or Red Guard.
The cop is an asshat, but seriously don't argue when they ask you to get out of the car or put out your cigarette. That's like traffic stop 101.
@#25 thanks for the laugh. I really needed that.
@28: she didn't "argue", she asked why she had to do it. arguing is "I don't have to do that" (which is probably the case). is the standard for not being concussed and arrested "instant compliance with any request, even if not required by law"?
Okay if no one’s going to clean up the spew at #1, I’ll poke some holes in his racist hashtag. I live in Chicago where we hear about Mayor Rahm Emmanuel cursing out kindergarteners and little old ladies on the regular and yet you don’t hear people scolding his “ghetto mouth”. Some people think he’s a bastard (while also kind of admiring his balls) but somehow that didn’t hold him back from becoming the mayor of our third largest city. Wonder why that is?
Or look at Donald Trump his abrasive and disrespectful attitude has hurt him so much he’s a frontrunner for presidential nomination. Hmmm.
Now for people like #13 and 28, let’s imagine a good ole boy cop pulled over one of them in his shiny Jag and detained and harassed him for NOT HITTING HIS BLINKER (I know, I know- just pretend). I’m sure he’d be all sweetness and light to the humble civil servant, right?? And if by some miracle he wasn’t, the cop would totally pull him out of his car while threatening to “light him up” and slam him on the pavement, right??
PROBABLY, but we’ll never know because hell would be an ice rink before he got pulled over and harassed to begin with.
And yet they're investigating it as a murder. I also signal when I pull over but not because I'm afraid of being arrested and/or killed. It shouldn't work that way.
The officer's behavior follows a well documented pattern. It's a ritual of domination, triggered when the citizen signals she isn't in full submission. Here:
TROOPER: "Are you done?"
BLAND: "You asked me what was wrong and I told you."
Next comes the standard attempt to humiliate the citizen by ordering her to do something purposely irrelevant. If she agrees, the officer is on top again. If she doesn't, it's time to quickly escalate. Here:
TROOPER: "Well, you can step out now."
BLAND: "I don't have to step on out."
Now the citizen has openly challenged the officer, and all gloves come because proportionality goes out the window when the officer needs to reassert his dominance. This plays out in video after video. Here is another of many variation of this theme of demanded submission and escalation, this time in Seattle:…

This domination ritual is of course most easily played out on the bodies of citizens with the least status, with no voice to call for accountability.

How about The Stranger researches this a bit more, I'm sure there's academic papers documenting these games of power played by police officers on the least of us. It would make a great article.
Hum. I didn't see the cop hang Sandra Bland.
It's times like these when only the wisdom of the great James Baldwin will do:

“The American Negro has the great advantage of having never believed the collection of myths to which white Americans cling: that their ancestors were all freedom-loving heroes, that they were born in the greatest country the world has ever seen, or that Americans are invincible in battle and wise in peace, that Americans have always dealt honorably with Mexicans and Indians and all other neighbors or inferiors, that American men are the world's most direct and virile, that American women are pure. Negroes know far more about white Americans than that; it can almost be said, in fact, that they know about white Americans what parents—or, anyway, mothers—know about their children, and that they very often regard white Americans that way. And perhaps this attitude, held in spite of what they know and have endured, helps to explain why Negroes, on the whole, and until lately, have allowed themselves to feel so little hatred. The tendency has really been, insofar as this was possible, to dismiss white people as the slightly mad victims of their own brainwashing.”

― James Baldwin, The Fire Next Time
@31- And this evidence consists of what exactly?
A tiny educated black woman has nothing to fear from a Texas educated (oxymoron) white cop. Sure. And she committed suicide with a garbage bag. Sure. And the local inquest by good old boys was fair. Sure. Snd the US DOJ is ignoring this.
A friend recounted the following story a few weeks ago via gchat, I think it offers an excellent contrast in how people are typically treated during a traffic stop (and helps explain why many white people are so skeptical that there is even a problem, because their typical experience with police is so drastically different.)

/check engine light has been on so i haven't gotten it inspected or gotten new tags finally got caught yesterday/

/I wish I would have recorded it and uploaded it under the title "what it's like to be a white guy"/

/he went out of his way to say that he'll make sure it gets taken care of as long as it gets inspected that he'll be there for my court appearance and tell the judge/da that I was polite and a good dude/
/well, my drivers side window has been broken for years, so I have to open my door
I opened slowly and told him why
and he said "don't worry about it man, you're good"/

/all of this was in a black neighborhood downtown, too/

(Me:) /well thats prob why you got pulled over in the first place, thought you were dwb/

/yeah he asked if I had any business being in that neighboorhood/
/I pulled in because I saw him
so he probably thought he was hitting the jackpot/

/oh, totally admitted to eluding, too which was stupid/

I wonder if a black person would have even survived the encounter.
Why does everyone bleat about the horrible shame of needing to have "The Conversation" with their children about interactions with police, and then when you see these interactions with police, nobody seems to remember what "The Conversation" taught them.

There are some bad cops. Let's deal with them directly on an individual basis. For all the other cops that are out there doing good work: Stop acting like fucking assholes. If indeed #blacklivesmatter, then let's begin by showing some basic fucking decency to each other, regardless of color. Because, so far, it's a little hard to feel any sympathy for the asocial antics of a disaffected people. (A disaffected people that lives better than 90% of the planet.)

The Supreme Court has decided that police have the power to order you out of your car during a traffic stop. So refusing to get out of your car when ordered is not one of our "rights as an American."
The cop was quite reasonable with her until he suddenly asked her to put her cigarette out. I'd guess she blew smoke in his face.
What exactly are people looking for?

You want the officer to be punished? Fine, he'll resign.

You want the system to be held accountable? Will never happen without serious penalization of the perpetrators.
@17 the problem with your reasoning is that there is no nexus to her being arrested and pulled over, and her being dead. There's just a blank space. We see her being arrested, we see her corpse being wheeled out on the stretcher. How she behaved with the cop may or may not have led to her death, we don't know. This isn't too dissimilar to the Ravi/Clementi case (gay freshman killed himself, after roommate live-streamed him 'hooking up' with a guy in his dorm room), where we readily from from A->B, but without actually knowing anything about the linkage.
She's dead because she hung herself. END OF STORY.
@39- So the people who are most likely to have committed and/or colluded in the crime (one of whom is on film beating a woman for failing to comply with an unreasonable order) have complete control of the evidence chain and you find this "overwhelming"?
@44- A) Why the hell would you think that? Did the officer cough? Did he mention having smoke blown in his face?

B) He did not seem reasonable. I've been ticketed several times and it's always been "License and registration" followed by the officer filling out a ticket, handing it to me, explaining how to contest it if I wanted to, and then leaving. The office had no reason to do anything else, but he noticed the woman wasn't acting properly cowed so he provoked a confrontation and rapidly escalated it. He ought to be getting tried for assault regardless of the death of this innocent woman.
i stopped reading comments at #17 because nuff said..
Weve reached, again, a point in America where unabashed white supremacism with a dash of "I hate niggers, call me a hero for killing them" is now the standard for ALL law enforcement. A small few dont follow that exception, but they defend those that do, so they are also part of the problem.

Also, LOL at the fact that 49 responses, and less than 10 mention the word "racism". I love argumentative exercises some of you have to go through to ignore that primary aspect of what happened.
We should allow Texas to secede. Only if this were an international incident where an American citizen was treated this way by foreign authorities--and then suspiciously died in their custody--would our federal government take any affective notice, to say nothing of punitive action.
Also, anyone here who does not think that cops LIE 99% of the time, please speak to a municipal judge or clerk, or county judge or clerk.

LITERALLY, 90% of Obstruction/Resisting Arrest charges are tossed due to factual accountability, inconsistencies, or other witnesses statements.

Cops lie all the time. Not even (though damn near always) in their interactions with black people. There was even a famous programmer here in Seattle that had the funds to call the SPD on their bullshit...and they went out of their way to destroy thousands of hours of dashcam footage after he won his case against them for resisting public records disclosure.

In summation: Cops lie. White cops ALWAYS lie when its an issue of their interaction with black people that has a violent result. Dare me to post example, then dare me to post studies showing this. Then dare me to post a 2 second google search showing the former.
@2 "If Ms bland indeed hung herself"

LOL. Sure bro. Lets context the argument believing the obvious bullshit the cops have stated!
1. I don't know if this cop was within his legal rights when he asked her to get out of the car, but it's evident he's got a serious lack of self control and escalated the situation. He's seriously bad at his job. If I behaved that way at my job, I'd have been fired a long time ago.

2. Most cops are better at their jobs than this asshole. But police forces seem to have a serious problem in getting rid of incompetent officers (like this guy). If the police want to have credibility, they need to start finding a way to get rid of guys like this, instead of standing with them.
@49 Speculating of course, you can't see--either way, blown smoke or no blown smoke--in the video. But she's angry, he's calm, they're in close conversation, and suddenly he's asking her to put her cig out.

I've had a sheriff's dept officer pull me over for not signalling early enough a right turn at an intersection. I was a little distracted by the asshole riding right behind my bumper on an otherwise deserted road, and signaled after I'd passed the stop sign, not before (which strikes me as an inherently ridiculous rule, but that's another rant).

My point is, this tactic of riding right behind people and pulling them over for an issue they caused seems to be the nationwide modus operandi. But at least I got a warning; I only had to suffer the minor indignity of being the entertainment to liven up his evening for a few minutes. I didn't ultimately end up dead over it.
@39: The police department already got caught releasing a doctored dashcam video. I wouldn't be all that surprised if the security tapes had been altered as well.
Something is rotten.
I watched the video. She made a right turn onto that main arterial (it's on the video), and that is what I think he cited her for. By the time he caught up with her & she stopped, there was no reasonable way for her to put 2&2 together, and he didn't make it clear what he was citing her for.
"The freedom of individuals verbally to oppose or challenge police action without thereby risking arrest is one of the principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation from a police state," Justice William J. Brennan, Jr., delivering the opinion of the Supreme Court in Houston v. Hill (1987).

Lot of disgusting fucking bootlickers in this thread.

And per Rodriguez vs. United States (2014), he had no right to pull her out of the car. It was a traffic stop and should never have been anything more.
Why don't they just train the cops to treat Black people, Latino people, and Native Americans exactly the way they treat white suburbanites?

And that it's not a threat to their safety just because a person of color asks why the cop is hassling them?

What part of "it doesn't make cops one bit safer to be paranoid bigots than to treat everybody with equal respect" do the police not understand?

And what right to the cops have to expect PoC to respect them, cooperate with them or even bother trying to obey the laws when they always treat PoC worse than white folks?

It's Vietnam in the hood...the cops would rather keep fighting an unwinnable war forever than do the sane, decent thing and admit the war is wrong.

How many more Sandras? How many more Trayvons? How many more Tamirs?
How long, o Lord? How Long?
Now the police are claiming She told them she recently tried to comit suicide. This makes it worse for them. They werre on notice that she was suicidal and they took no precautions and provided her the tools to kill herself. Why wasnt she put on suicide watch since the police had prior knowledge that she recently tried to kill herself?
@61 Wrong man, wrong. Police have the power (cops have 'powers,' not 'rights') to control the scene of a traffic stop, e.g., order people to exit--or to remain in--their vehicles. "We hold only that once a motor vehicle has been lawfully detained for a traffic violation, the police officers may order the driver to get out of the vehicle without violating the Fourth Amendment's proscription of unreasonable searches and seizures." Pennsylvania v. Mimms, 434 U.S. 106 fn. 6.

Or do you have language from that case you mention that is to the contrary?
@61 "Lot of disgusting fucking bootlickers in this thread."

@64: Per Rodriguez vs United States, he could only detain her for enough time to reasonably complete the reason for the traffic stop (ie, giving her a ticket for not using her blinker). The stop was over - he was handing her the ticket to sign. At that point, ordering her to get out of the car was an unjustified extension of her detention. She wasn't doing anything illegal, nor was she a threat to him.
Yay, that misogynistic pisswah Adversary is back!
@66 He hadn't given her the warning, so the stop wasn't over. Courts are fairly lenient on the time element. Cops can take a couple of minutes to ask you about your business without unconstitutionally extending the length of the stop. And as long as he has her legally stopped, he's got pretty much unlimited discretion to control the scene, including ordering her out of the car.

I've worked on a couple of cases lately involving traffic stops and detentions, so it's fresh in my mind.
@ 57: This is totally pedantic of me, but you think it's unreasonable to have to signal before turning? The whole point is to tell people what you're GOING to do. Not what you are doing.

On topic, cops need to get it through their head that they work for us. We don't all need to be policed and not every infraction requires shock and awe.
@charles: I love you
@17: I love you
@36: I love you
@ all the blind racist idiots defending the perpetrator (who was obviously harassing and abusing her) and blaming the victim, your emptiness is terrifying. What fucking happened to you to make you side with aggressors? What makes a person do that? You are sick and I'm very sad for you. But also fuck you.
@69: Oh, you're right. I didn't phrase that well.

I started signalling after I passed the sign letting me know there was a stop sign ahead, not the stop sign itself (a difference of about 200ft on a 45mph road). That was what I meant in my slight aside about how it's a ridiculous premise to pull someone over for not signalling before they reach the sign warning that there's an intersection/stop sign ahead: the whole point of the sign is to alert people who wouldn't know it's coming in the first place.

I agree with you entirely about the function of turn indicators.
@64: According to Pennsylvania v. Mimms, the individual circumstances determine the reasonableness of the seizure. The removal of Mimms from the car was justified by ensuring the safety of the officers, protecting them from possible assault by a passenger and also from traffic passing by the stopped car.
The touchstone of our analysis under the Fourth Amendment is always "the reasonableness in all the circumstances of the particular governmental invasion of a citizen's personal security." Terry v. Ohio, 392 U. S. 1, 19 (1968). Reasonableness, of course, depends "on a balance between the public interest and the individual's right to personal security free from arbitrary interference by law officers." United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U. ….
Officer Encinia did not order Ms. Bland out of the car as a part of the stop. He clearly made that order only in retaliation for Ms. Bland's refusal to extinguish her cigarette, a demand which he (correct me if I'm wrong) had no power to make. That part of the exchange positively smacks of "arbitrary interference".

Git gud.
@72 I'm sorry but that is wrong. Yes, it's reasonableness, but it isn't a fresh inquiry every time depending on the specific situation. The Supreme Court has looked at traffic stops many times and held that "once a motor vehicle has been lawfully detained for a traffic violation, the police officers may order the driver to get out of the vehicle without violating the Fourth Amendment's proscription of unreasonable seizures.' Maryland v. Wilson, 519 U.S. 408, citing Mimms.

But look, if you have a winning argument otherwise, I'm not the one you have to convince. Take it to the courts. If you can prove that ordinary police procedures during traffic stops are unconstitutional you should have a thriving business.
Since Sandra Bland died I have been recalling all the times I have been around police or even security guards and felt terrified they would hurt me for no reason. Because you know, that's what America has become - a police state. Now, in all these cases, I played the fool and got away without a scratch. But Sandra was an activist and she believed that she was in the process of changing things - for all of us. To the amazing pack of racists on this thread, go ahead don't stand up for this woman because she is black or you didn't like how she talked or whatever. But the point is, they just might come after you next - whatever your race - and Sandra won't be here any longer to stand up for you or anybody. And as for how we are all learning to defer to the powerful so beautifully, last I checked that wasn't exactly an American value. Sandra was in the process of figuring that out.
It just keeps getting worse and worse.
Ongoing instances of deliberate police misconduct and abuse of authority just keep getting worse and worse.
Law-breaking by police, with no action taken to enforce the law when police are the law-breakers, just keep getting worse and worse.
And there's nothing anybody can do about it.
- - -
America, where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now?
We can't fight alone against the monster.
Regardless of the game being rigged...

#1, I think you might finally believe me that a cop would be left twitching and drooling for acting in that manner toward yours truly.

Does the fed pay for Hefty bags?

I doubt it. I really do.
The act is only selfish if you have people whose sustenance is dependent upon your income.

The rest is imaginary.
@73: In this particular case, the order to step out of the car was clearly unrelated to the stop. I'm not talking about the usual sequence of events in traffic stops; I'm talking about the particular officer's poor conduct and clearly arbitrary interference.
@79 You know, it's possible you are right. Legally we are in somewhat new waters with the advent of video recording. It's possible a court would watch this and say, "There, right there when you had the ticket in hand and asked her to put her cigarette out, right there this became an unreasonable detention." I think that would be an evolution in the law. I still think this situation would be approved under the case law as it stands. (Remember that at a hearing the officer is going to be able to testify and explain his actions: "I wanted her to put the cigarette out so I could see if I smelled alcohol" or "I ordered her out of the car because I wanted to give a little lecture on traffic safety with the warning, and I wanted her out where I could watch her while I did that.") But with video we may see some changes.
@79 But I still think Charles is wrong. Bland wasn't arrested because she "believed in her rights as an American." Bland was arrested because she falsely believed she did not have to get out of the car when a police officer ordered her to do so in the course of a traffic stop. That is not a right we have as Americans. No court is going to say "As soon as the stop has gone 1 second longer than is reasonable in your opinion, you may begin resisting the police."
It's all on Sandy.
It's all her own damn fault.
She should have just obeyed the unwritten law of white cops in the deep south :
Lower her eyes.
Don't ask questions. And, don't answer the cop's argumentative questions, either.
Instantly follow his illegal and contradictory "orders".
And, say "Yes Massa".
It's all right there, in black-and-white, in the United States Constitution : three-fifths of a human being.
I guarantee it was a tiny little bin with a flimsy two-cent bag.

I have this video on my company's site, tho..

Oh, and she knew how to tie a slipknot.

Really? She hung herself with a grocery bag from a tampon bin?

I'm pretty sure any decent cop would have been smiling and thrilled to partake in civilized discourse with someone who while, was upset, was quite legally and rightfully voicing her opinion.
During my door to door summer in California I was with a few guys to go pick up a bag.

Aaaand we spot a corpse on side of the road.

Black kid, wearing red, you could see the muscle and sinew through his broken neck.

A black SUV hit him at a very high speed. The driver stepped out and cry-vomited.

A female officer showed up and asked us if we saw anything and I told her that "No, we had just gotten here."

She told us to leave, and we did.

So then we take a few hits(snap :/) of this banana and I've never had anything so strong.

Anyways, we are on the way back and I'm yelling "TURN LEFT" at the driver as he heads in between the cones and stops in the investigation zone.

The cops come over and are like "wtf" and I'm pretty much in a state of shock.

Male officer asks me why I'm not wearing a seatbelt. I tell him I didn't know that I had to. He smiles and laughingly all but yells "REALLY? YOU DON'T HAVE TO WEAR A SEAT BELT IN WASHINGTON?"

"Not in the back seat."

"Oh, well I'm giving you a ticket."

I'm just staring into space and say Ooookaaay?

I never paid that ticket.

That's called discourse.

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