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1
That man wants your evil agenda down his throat so badly that its funny
2
Dan, you have the most fun of any adult I know of. What kind of sin do I need to commit so I can insure that I go to the same hell you are going to when I die? Because wherever you are going is going to be a hell of a good time.
3
There's just no easy way to say this so I am just going to go for it. I LOVE, ADORE, RESPECT & HONOR DAN SAVAGE. Thank you for all you do. When this nut job repeats this email exchange perhaps his closeted son will have a chance at a better life. Now, go find Terry, get him out of whatever @MrTurks clothes he is wearing today & follow up with your promise to make some candy. Love, Donna @DAToth
4
well that was productive. he didn't concede a single carefully reasoned, valid point.

it's like trying to tell a gun humper that there aren't 2.5 million defensive gun uses a year in America, & the study that says so wasn't, in fact sponsored by the CDC.

they won't listen. it's pointless. it's a waste of time.
5
Read the New Testament, Zack. Jesus hates FIGS. You're off by a letter.
6
And he thinks DAN has a mental disorder!?!
7
@5: Zack can't spell "dykes", so it's not surprising he can't spell "figs".
9
OMG, you guys! Zack has a bigger hard-on for Dan than Even SeattleBlahs!
10
His one-handed typing skills are most impressive.
11
I still think you should get this guy's address - and then send it out far-and-wide...
12
@4: /thread
13
Anyone else think this guy sounds kind of like Yosemite Sam?
14
Is it really worth your time and energy to talk to idiots like Comic Sans man? It's like talking to a brick wall.
15
It's sad, really. (The repeated Hahaha is just pathetic.) He's so clearly threatened. He's like an animal backed into a corner (or better, an animal that feels it's backed into a corner) so he has to lash out at what he chooses to identify as the treat. Poor guy. It would really suck to be him.
16
I'm an avid (rabid?) reader of Savage Love, but I've never commented before. I just needed to give Dan this...

*standing slow clap*

Seriously, man, the shit with which you must put up. (I tried really hard to avoid ending that with a preposition. I failed. Fuck it, I mostly speak French too, and prepositions are *really* tricky in French.) Keep on keepin' on. It will take a few generations, and these attitudes will never truly disappear, but they'll be as gauche as ni**ger hatin' before too terribly long. That is to say, still around, still dangerous and even deadly, but obviously WRONG and backwards to any thinking human.
17
It's always some imaginary war with these people. Amazing what LW could achieve if he just thought a little harder about the quote he attached.
18
I grew up in a conservative Christian household (though thankfully my parents weren't rabid followers) and I have never seen so many people convinced that they were right and everybody else in the world was wrong. There is no use arguing your point – no use pointing out that Jesus preached a message of love and tolerance, not hate and bigotry – because you would get farther talking to a rock.

Actually, a rock has more common sense and compassion than our fiend, Zack.

(PS, "fiend" was a Freudian slip typo, but I think I like it better as is)
19
a bible thumper with a potty mouth.
zack, do you actually pray with that mouth ?
20
Dan, I hate to tell you this. The expression "It is so ordered" concludes many Supreme Court decisions.
21
How the hell do you respond to these morans without losing your mind/seeing red all the time? (I know, I know: practice.) I'm in awe.
22
@20 Dan spoke about the phrase in a podcast after the SCOTUS decision came down. "Disordered" was how psychology, psychiatry and society referred to homosexual individuals for a long time. So, "It is so ordered" has come to invoke (I believe for Dan and now me as well) triumph over those old, confused, wrong opinions. I like it.
23
On the bright side, he's ok with anal
24
Ever read Puritans coming down on the more sexually liberal? They're seething that other people get to have sex and enjoy it, and all their vitriol is really directed at convincing themselves that they made the right, sex-fearing decision. Because if it turns out that God doesn't give a shit about how much sex they had, then they pissed away their lives for no reason at all.

Homophobes have that same manic edge. They want to fuck dudes soooo bad, and they're pissed that out gay gays get to have all the hot man-on-man sex they're denying themselves. So of course the gays-- like the sluts-- must be horrible people who are destined for hellfire. Because if they aren't, then what the fuck were those sexual sacrifices for?

Just saying.
25
I would have sent that motherbitch a graphic image of a couple of dudes going straight to Pound Town. Dan's restraint is commendable.
26
Grammar, how does it work?
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*a couple dudes bearing an eerie resemblance to Zack's savior Jesus Christ
28
*It's sexual deviANTs, not deviates.
29
Well,I'm glad he turned out to be perfectly reasonable and polite, like hardcore homophobic nutcases usually are.

Dan publishes these exchanges to expose how intellectually and morally bereft these people are. It works - but I just wish more people read (past tense of 'read' - god , English is frustrating sometimes) this blog.
30
Wait a damn minute here. I'm sorry, but exactly WHERE does the Bible condemn woman/woman? Naomi and Ruth seems to endorse womanly love.
31
After that massive wank, I'm surprised there was enough left for Mr Miller.
32
take a hint from seandr and read the entire thing again in Yosemite Sam's voice. you won't stop laughing for hours.
33
I wonder if a better plan of attack would have been to simply try to draw him out about his own sex life. I strongly suspect he doesn't have one. That much bitterness and vitriol is a symptom of something chronic. But, engaging the man about what he imagines a full sex life with a wife might be like and what it would involve, should anyone ever have the misfortune to marry him, might have been a fun conversation. Like, does he like getting head? Does she like giving it?

After all, I suspect there's very little two guys can do that a guy and a girl haven't also managed to. A reasonable person would realize this. (He, of course, is a screaming nutcase. Sexual deprivation and/or self-loathing will do that.) Most people with a happy, fulfilling sex life don't really give a shit about what the neighbors are getting up to as long as they keep it indoors.

Pop quiz: Is the letter-writer
a) a 14-year old virgin
b) a 40-year old virgin
c) a serial killer
d) a child molester
e) impotent
f) an embittered closet case
g) some combination of the above
34
Hmmm So Terry had a dj'ing gig tonight, and DJ was out being (a 16 yr old or so?) kid on a Friday night, leaving Dan at home slap happy with jet lag.

35
What is painfully apparent is that Comic Sans here clearly has a very sad life, and feels deficient in some way, and so this is how he comforts himself. He's fallen short of what he expects for himself, so he picks himself up by reminding himself of how he doesn't pack fudge.

His career may be in the gutter, his kid may be behind in school, his wife may be not doing it for him, he may have cracked teeth from smoking meth and a foot he's about to lose to diabetes. But by golly, he didn't pack any fudge, and that makes him a good Christian!

He successfully refrained from packing fudge, despite never having had any desire to do so anyway, and that is cause for pride! Of course, to take his mind off his own shortcomings, he'd better go scream at a fudge packer about what a good Christian he is!
36
@30 MaiaD: In the book "God and Sex: What the Bible Really Says", author Michael Coogan finds only one mention of female homoerotic relationships. That is in Romans 1.26-27. It's about God punishing idolaters by making them engage in lesbian or gay sex! Whoopee! Bring out the golden calf!
37
@33:

a, b, and g.
38
You know, it seems like Jesus was a genuinely nice guy, going around healing the sick and being kind to hookers. Someone you'd want to hang out with if he were around. So I don't understand why so many of his followers are so filled with hate.
39
Haters gonna hate, hate hate
40
Welcome back Dan. How was Germany?
Why did you waste your time on this sad and unhappy person. Though packing fudge is one cute phase.
41
Phrase... Oh, he said fudge packing.
Much prefer packing fudge.
42
Why waste you're time?
(Your time?)
I mean it.
Could he possibly change?
43
Christ, I enjoyed the shit out of this.

Love you to pieces, Dan.
44
That was heroic--and highly entertaining. Thank you for all you do. I'm in awe!
45
These are always fun. Thanks for another great time, Dan.

Also, Zack is clearly Canadian. No American would ever say "are you mental?"* Not important, just pointing it out.

*(would they?)
46
@45 I've heard "Are you mental?" a lot, but then I'm from Minnesota which is practically Canada.
47
Sigh. He's a pox on Comic Sans. I really feel for his son and anyone else sharing his household. Actually, I really feel for him too ... can't be easy waking up every morning with all that ire and venom. Anyway thanks for sharing your correspondence, Dan. Warmly, One of Your Many Dike Pals. 'If you like it then you shoulda put your finger in it ...'
48
@45: They would. I live in Texas, about as far from Canada as the US gets, and I've heard it plenty.
49
What a waste of your time, Dan. This guy's ignorance and bigotry are WILLFUL, he's staked his very sense of self on his homophobia, and he feels aggrieved by the movement of the position he holds from consensus to fringe, seeing the rejection of his opinion as the rejection of himself. He's a closed-minded dead-ender who insists on believing what he wants to believe, facts and evidence and experience be damned.

He's not going to be converted. And he doesn't need to be. The tide of history has left him behind. We don't need him or his like, he can scream in the corner and send hateful emails all he likes and it's not going to change a thing. The only thing to do with the haters at this point is ignore them, because they don't matter anymore.
50
@16 I believe the correct phrasing is "the shit up with which you must put."
51
@46, 48 --- Huh. I've heard it plenty, but only from Canadians (and Brits in books or on TV). Well OK. Certainly easier to believe that he's from south of here than north of here.
52
One could be packing soft or hard fudge, or candy striped fudge.
This boy has a very poetic turn of mind. Endless possibilities he has now
Released. Packing mint flavoured fudge. Yum.
53
If he is so sweet and innocent how does he even know your column exists? He also obviously reads it... shouldn't he be reading the Bible instead of your sinful smut?
54
@1- jasha1 - "That man wants your evil agenda down his throat so badly that its funny"

+1*10^googol you win the internet
55
"....you and all the other fags & dikes will lose and you will lose in a huge way. Eternity in hell will be a wonderful place for you!—Zack"

"It’s spelled 'dykes,' Zack, not 'dikes.'—Dan"

"No, I MEANT 'dikes.' Goddamn Netherlanders, all riding their bikes and all those canals....and they think they're all so great: 'We invented FEDERALISM!' Well, LA DE DAH! to YOU, Johann! Screw you AND the wooden shoes you walked in on!"

56
"Never fuck with tiny minds. It only makes them worse." S. Nobles
57
The saddest thing about this entire exchange.... is that Zack has children. I hope their mother is still around, I hope she one day will save them from this sorry excuse of a human being.
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@ 57- What would make you think his wife is any less a dumb biggot than him? She chose this asshat to marry and procreate with
59
This stupid conversation has already been had too many times. I say we stop having it with them. Let's all just stop giving these morons any attention... they're just sexually frustrated, repressed, angry people. There's no need for us to engage... we win our legal and social justice fights with or without them.
60
Something about the way he keeps coming back for more tells me he's just another deeply closeted gay man desperate for someone to convince him his lusts are NOT unnatural.
61
His English teachers would be weeping if they read this. And what's with all the "hahaha"s? As a gay man who will celebrate 30 years of being out of the closet next February 10th, I've gotten used to all the Biblical crap like this, but those damn hahahas are fucking annoying.
62
@16 - Don't worry about ending a sentence with a preposition. It is not grammatically incorrect in English. It never was. The assumption that it was incorrect stems from 17th century grammar books that incorrectly tried to impose Latin grammar rules onto English. (Split infinitives are also okay, by the way.)
63
Just a thought I had as I have never read the bible...does it specifically condemn sex between women?
64
@62 - I should add that the rule of not ending a sentence in a preposition does apply in certain limited circumstances, but only where the sentence remains clear when you simply omit the preposition entirely. ("Where is the remote at?" is incorrect because "Where is the remote?" is sufficient.)
65
wow Dan. I know you can't have the energy to address every hater out there with this kind of persistence and even respect, but you sure did this guy. Thanks for being that guy in this world. It helps me to see it done. Maybe I can take on one crazy guy and you get the next. Good work.
66
Hater's gonna hate. Zach you're an ass clown. Get over yourself and take your meds.
67
I can't stand it when someone uses emojis or "LOL" or LMAO" or "hahaha" while writing something negative and argumentative; to me it just makes them look immature and stupid.

And whats with him saying he wasn't spreading hate yet mentioned his son hates gays just like he does because he taught him right? Hypocrite.

The guy is in definite need of therapy and has serious issues about gays which he needs to just get over.
68
...and again, "marriage is between one man and one woman" is not Biblical. I want someone, anyone, to tell me where they are getting this from.
69
I have tears! Too funny, especially at the end. You are a funny man, Dan! I am never disappointed.
70
@63 : See comment @36
71
I can't decide what is worse:
The repeated 'HaHaHa!'
The font.
The grammatical nightmare.
His views of anal, hetero or otherwise.
Or his award winning parenting techniques.

Dan...Bonus points for the Chris Rock reference!
I am sort of shocked that our friend Zach didn't take a ride on the racial hate train with that one; I guess he was to busy trying to translate his comic sans edition of his Bible.
72
Hahaha!

*twirls mustache*
73
Dan, your conversation with this person is nothing new, or not any different then what happens day and night in Yahoo Comments on every article about anything gay related.
74
@68 Biblical marriage, like marriage in too many parts of the world today, is between one man and as many women as he can afford. The bible says Solomon, considered one of the wisest and holiest men in history, had 700 wives. Go figure.

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