Who Wrote the Ricin Letters?

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Closeted, fat male.

Can't have what the gay bars have; must destroy.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

perhaps a fat gay male.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

That was my first thought, too. The letter sounds like it was written by someone who was rejected by people at those bars and holds the entire gay community responsible for his own misery.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Believe me, you don't have to be fat to be a bitter queen. Or closeted, for that matter.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM

@Non
Yeah, I was thinking a really unattractive gay guy. Bitter at seeing others get laid while he's only got his right hand.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Yeah, and Gregoire will be our next Secy of Commerce.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:54 AM

That's just the impression I got, #4

since we're all just throwing around impressions

on January 7, 2009 at 10:54 AM

That thought crossed my mind too. Living here in Baltimore, I was unaware of the significance of Wild Rose being on the list.

The passages from the letter The Stranger received made me think it was an angry straight guy though. "I could take this moment to launch into a diatribe about my indignation towards the gay community..." Indignation. I think this is Angry Straight Guy. Something happened to him and he blames us all for it. Or the bars, which he assumes constitutes the gay community.

They don't all wave the bible at us. In fact, that bible waving is largely an excuse anyway...something to justify the venom that was already there in their hearts to start with.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:55 AM

It could be the guy is just a generic asshat with no outstanding qualities who cannot accept how inconsequential they really are.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Maybe it's the management at Chop Suey? If anyone needs a new batch of drinkers, it's those guys.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:56 AM

I note that the letter uses the phrase "in hospital" -- leading me to believe the writer is British, or schooled in Britain, or possibly Canada. In the US, we generally say "in the hospital" -- whereas in the UK they say "in hospital"

So - it is an unattractive brit with no chin and bad teeth. probably also fat and pale, with a foreskin he doesn't keep clean...

on January 7, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Maybe this is the statement from the hiphop community we've been waiting for???

on January 7, 2009 at 10:59 AM

You may very well be right, Dan.

I too was struck by the glaringly obvious absence of religious bile and bible passages. Surely if he was doing god's work, or Fred Phelps' work, the manifesto would be filled with religious references from beginning to end.

As to the language: totally a white guy. My guess is a pretentious failed literary major.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:59 AM

I also thought as soon as I read the letter that the writer was British - or spoke with Britishisms - and then I almost as quickly had the ugly thought that it was probably a bitter gay guy, but was hesitant to let myself think of it as a possibility.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Dan Savage--- please have a word with Charles, would ya, on how to make blog entries like this one?

Agree with you or not, we at least know how you came to your opinion.

And you're right about the whole missing religiosity component---makes it more likely a queer....

on January 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Nah, probably not fat since the bears have so much fun, as evidenced in the fact that they make portmanteaus out of "bear" and every conceivable word (grrfriend, beareoke, husbear, etc.).

Probably some haggard post-twink coming down off a decade-long meth binge.

If, of course, the person is gay anyway. It's always good to cover your bases, just like anytime there's a meth bust in OK, my folks out there always start going "don't let them be native, don't let them be native..."

on January 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Dan, I'm glad you work for the stranger and not, say, the police department.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I knew it was a 'mo immediately. Not for the same reasons you've listed, but to paint a stronger picture of how unaccepted we still are. To make it seem like we're as oppressed as we make ourselves out to be.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:03 AM

jesus, people...lay off the fat guys... there's a lot of happy ones who even have a good time in the bars.

What's to say this wasn't written by an angry lesbian or straight woman? It has happened. Approximately one out of every six serial killers is a woman. Just sayin...

on January 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM

@19: Charlize Theron wrote the letter?

on January 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM

AJ: Just because you're a bear who looks like he has downs syndrome but still somehow manages to have fun --was it roping in a much older guy?-- does not mean that all fatties are having fun.

You forget that a majority of fatties don't actually want other fatties.

They GET other fatties, because that's who they can get, but the porn on their computer is not fat on fat. I PROMISE you.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM

"they *was* sent"? Gay or not the sender's grammar shows he re-read before sending.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:10 AM

What actually disturbs me is that someone went through the effort to go collect all the addresses.

Are they all in the GSBA directory?

on January 7, 2009 at 11:12 AM

it sounds like a disgruntled teenager to me.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:17 AM

All I know is that the guy who wrote the letter is not a Graphic Artist. Check out the ugly rag and the orphans! Uf!

on January 7, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Gee and we wonder why someone in the gay community could be bitter towards all of us? Here is the comments section saying this person must be fat and ugly, have unwashed foreskin, etc etc. Let's face it...we aren't exactly known for brotherly love towards our fellow gay in this town. We are a bunch of catty bitches.

Its like columbine, everyone was horrified at what the kids did, and not too many mentioned what happened to those kids that made them do something so awful.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:19 AM

@Non

Jeez, by your comments, I would suspect you would have no problem if the author of the letter had targeted only fat gays.

Explain to me why your dumping on fat people for something you perceive they should be able to control is any different from the stereotypical Christian right winger telling you to burn in hell for "choosing" to be gay. Hate is hate.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Non: there are actually well-adjusted skinny and average-build guys who like fat guys (and I'm not talkin sugar daddy types), so go away with your fat-hatin'.

Did you send out a bunch of letters recently?

on January 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM

@21: J'accuse!!

For the record, having seen the computers of many a fatty yum-yum, I can tell you that a lot of their HD is taken up by videos of like-on-like. Also, it's not teh Downs, it's a terminal case of awesome!

on January 7, 2009 at 11:21 AM

As a Brit, you might know more about Britisms, as I get them pointed out to me all the time. My suggestion would be that he says 'while in hospital', not 'whilst in hospital'. The missus likes pointing out the many times I use 'whilst', and apprently my friends that have visited do the same thing.
The second paragraph is quite disjointed, almost as if the writer (I don't want to assume any gender yet) gets carried away and almost starts ranting. For this reason I don't think I'd rely too much on analyzing the language of the letter, it reads like it was heavily proof read by someone with less than stellar English writing skills.

That's right cunto, I dissed your writing skills. Best add Teddy's onto your list.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Well the diction and compound sentence structures give it away almost immediately.

The usual hater/master pastor/Palintard letter would read something along the lines of "yur deathstyle iz hurtz Baby Jeebus. U blow up now!"

on January 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM

@22- yeah, that struck a sour note when I read it too, but I just attributed it up to Dan being in a Post-Holiday haze, and not really back on his Slog 'A-game'.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM

They was sent by a gay person? Oh, was they?

on January 7, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Non, you're a dipshit. CC's is a bear bar, so he's also targeting fat guys and not just the narcissistic trash like you.

Yes, some of us like huskier guys, and if some fat guys are fucking twinks, then it obviously stands to reason there are twinks who are attracted to fat guys too.

But what NO ONE wants, are bitter, shriveled queens... a classification in which you no doubt belong.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:24 AM

@21 News flash lots of us fat boys love other fat boys…. “More of us to love and all that.”… Plus some skinny twink could never hope to keep me warm in the snow we have been having.
Come to bear night some time at CC’s (sans Ricin please) and you can see just how fun a chubby guy can be.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:24 AM

From Dan's assessment, it sounds like someone who, at one time, has been involved in the community, like the Court or something like that, and has now been ostracized for some reason. The 11 bars in the letter typically sponsor such community-based events. The owners/management would therefore know the letter-writer.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I think you're right. I thought the same thing when I read it. Wacky Christian Haters don't talk about their "indignation towards the gay community," bitter gay people do

on January 7, 2009 at 11:25 AM

It seems like its obviously someone who has been around the Seattle scene long enough to truly have known Re-bar as a gay bar. I think its reputation as a theatre and a dance club have outweighed its reputation as a gay bar in the last few years, so I definitely think this lends weight to Dan's theory.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:29 AM

The next person who points out that "in hospital" is a Britishism is going to make me scream. In addition to Brit usage, it is popular with an affectation. I'll betcha the writer is NOT a Brit, but an uptight and pretentious twat-waffle who prides himself on being very sharp and precise.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:29 AM

I don't think it's a requirement that he fits in at the Cuff, the Wild Rose, or the Eagle. It isn't like the whole room falls silent and everyone turns to glare at you if you don't have the right look for the place. People who don't look like they fit in show up at every kind of bar, all the time. I bet half the patrons of any room you look into thinks the other half doesn't belong there.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Written in MS Word and based on word usage, likely a female. References to living, frozen, death... possibly contracted HIV and looking for revenge.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Anyone could get a list of 11 gay bars in Seattle, including Re-bar, in a few seconds from Google. I just did it, and got a map and everything. It requires no special knowledge, and given the extraordinarily low likelihood that this person is actually going to carry out this threat in person, presupposes absolutely nothing about his appearance or fit-in-ability.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:33 AM

amazed at the generalizations that have come out in this here comment box.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM

@41: Sell the story to Lifetime, you'd make a mint

on January 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM

@36: You could be right. Maybe it's that Sister of Perpetual Indulgence that i almost punched out for groping me at Purr one night!

on January 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM

@41 - That's an interesting theory -- someone who contracted HIV. Either a gay male, or a straight woman (maybe whose spouse/boyfriend was on the DL).

on January 7, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Probably a bicyclist.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM

@47, that's as good a guess as any of the others. Seriously. None of these theories mean jack; all you've got is some letters, and if you can't trace the letters and he never acts again, there's a zero percent chance of finding him. The only way to get him is if he does something else -- keeps writing letters at a minimum, maybe staging some kind of attack. Frankly, threatening 11 bars at once suggests a child; a real attack is more likely to be one flubbed action at one bar or other public place.

Still, I'll bet the city's glad they covered the reservoir at Cal Anderson.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I have another prediction.
The letter-writer is Canadian.
He/she uses the phrase "in hospital" instead of "in THE hospital". I know it's picky but that is Canadian vernacular. People from the U.S. always add the "the".

on January 7, 2009 at 11:50 AM

FYI -
The line:

"They don’t care they’re dead
and nearly frozen,
just as, presumably,
they didn’t care that they were living"

is from the poem "A Display of Mackerel" by Mark Doty

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/…

on January 7, 2009 at 11:51 AM

He has a scar on his left hand, walks with a limp, and has a dog named Bernard. Come, Watson, we have work to do!

on January 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM

@39: Wow, I agree with Fnarf.

Profiling is more a con game than a science. But this speculation--gay, possibly HIV+--sounds persuasive to me, and probably angers the anonymous letter writer whether true or not.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Since we're playing CSI:SEATTLE today, I'll chip in:

Perhaps it's those awful Republican, McCain-donating owners of MANHUNT. They just used "in hospital" to throw us off the trail.

What's left of the bar scene after the phone and online sites decimated them is sure to be finished off by threats of biological warfare.

Or is it? (Laugh. Cough.)

on January 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I thought gay guy too, but the idea of an angry straight lady (Fag Hag comes to mind) seems to work as well. Someone who is tired of watching her gay hooking up all the time and just won't give her the time of day.

Why are we assuming it is a guy? I know statistics point that way BUT I wouldn't dismiss a pissed off and rejected Fag Hag.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Is there enough consensus on the writer's gender and sexuality that we can start referring to him as "The Ricin Queen?"

Also, I believe his use of the phrase "in hospital" but not the word "whilst" means he wears a monocle...but in the wrong eye.

on January 7, 2009 at 12:01 PM

@ 50 (myself)

I meant to add: if read the full poem i linked above (that the author of the letter quoted from), it definitely supports the 'scorned gay' theory....

on January 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Wow - does anyone notice the amount of in-fighting this mere speculation is causing? Twink vs bear vs fat vs skinny? Male vs female? Pos vs Neg? Aside from keeping people from going out, thinking this is one of our own family is creating a whole lotta mistrust and is probably the true goal of the author, make us attack our own. I don't want to credit them for thinking this would be the true goal, but we shouldn't give in to generalizing too much (unless you want to start targeting people who "look at you funny" in bars, and well, that kills my dating life).

on January 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM

I am not sure about Dan's assessment. I wouldn't automatically think it was some bitter, old queen. I think it's just another fundie fuck head. Probably just get their kicks from frightening people. I do know they better not get caught fucking with someone's drink. Nothing like a mob of angry queens kicking your ass to wake you up. And if they do hurt anyone, let's see to it they go away for a very long time.

on January 7, 2009 at 12:07 PM

HEY GUYS! I think the usage of "IN HOSPITAL" is a clue! It's not American! I just came up with this on my own and didn't see it's been pointed out 1.000.000 times in the past 24 hrs! GO GO GADGET DETECTIVES!

on January 7, 2009 at 12:08 PM

@50 -- now, that's an actual clue. "Probably a gay man", "Canadian", "Word user" etc. isn't information at all, even if it's true. What are you going to do, look for gay men? Good luck with that.

But finding the text of the letter in a published poem, that's interesting. Something thinks that gay men are mackerel, and practically dead already. Fascinating. Also no use in tracking him down, but maybe you'll find that book in his library after you catch him -- or that web page in his cache.

How many poetry readers are there in Seattle, anyways? Five or six?

on January 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Just came across this post and I thought the exact same thing after reading the letter. It was sent by a gay...

on January 7, 2009 at 12:15 PM

@57, DON'T forget if you are a nice quiet guy; EVERYONE will assume the letters came from you. You know, the shy guy by the wall at the Cuff or Purr.

on January 7, 2009 at 12:15 PM

I wonder if it's someone who recently tested positive?

on January 7, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Oh, Dan! E-mails threatening your family??
Thats horrible..How do you deal with that?
I hate the animosity of the internet sometimes..
And doesn't everyone realize that you are "fuckin' awesome?"
And don't disuage fat guys..we are not all jolly..

on January 7, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Interesting, my first thought when I read that letter was "ecce homo".

on January 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM

"a glorious cycle of song"

bet it wasn't a medley of extemporenea, either.

on January 7, 2009 at 12:25 PM

It's obviously written by Karl Rove.

Who is probably in the closet, so maybe Dan is right.

on January 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Well love is a thing than can never go wrong. And I am the Queen of Rumania.

on January 7, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I suspect it was a Puerto Ricin...

on January 7, 2009 at 12:31 PM

It's a case for Nancy Drool and the Hard-on Boys.

on January 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM

It might be worth a couple of phone calls to find out if Mark Doty's gotten any peculiar fan mail, or if he's ever read in Seattle and noticed any weirdos in the audience. Think our letter writer hangs out at Hugo House or Open Books?

on January 7, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Any chance it's OFSSA's friend from the latest Savage Love (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Savag…

on January 7, 2009 at 1:18 PM

What I was wondering was, why wasn't Martin's Off Madison mentioned, or Galerias, which has a gay latino disco night on Saturday? Those are definitely gay bars, why weren't they targeted? Not that I wish they were targeted, but does that mean that the upcoming "pub crawl" as a sign of support would only be for the gay bars mentioned?

on January 7, 2009 at 1:26 PM

as far as i'm aware, mark hasn't read in seattle for awhile. i'm a big fan of his, and while he reads in california a lot (and sometimes oregon), i can't remember the last time he was in the seattle area...

on January 7, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I didn't know Dan Savage was an FBI profiler. It could be ANYONE.

on January 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Ok - hate to jump in on the speculation - but yes @73, there is something odd about this list. The Crescent has been a "mix" bar for the past few years and there's no mention of newer bars either meaning that this is one really out of touch 'mo or they're not gay.

on January 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM

no no no. i am MARIE of rumania. paul bobby, am i right on this one?

on January 7, 2009 at 1:54 PM

changes in wallingford wasn't on the list.but i'm starting my pub crawl there..
jello shots jello shots jello shots

on January 7, 2009 at 2:12 PM

What Dan said, er wrote.

My arm-chair analysis…
Meth manufacture/distribution seems like a direction. Especially the home chemist with a supplemental income in distribution. An income from ass or cash, whatever. Why?

The letter is intelligent. (the missing from “in hospital” is a common American typo, btw) Its use of multi-syllable words demonstrates intelligence and their repeated use demonstrates the writer has a comfort with its/his/her college level intelligence.

The writer, or coconspirator chemist, are very specific with the use of numbers. The writer is comfortable with “at least 5”. The writer is confident folks want to get high on chemicals and “at least 55” will on any given Saturday night at a Seattle gay bar. The writer or chemist has experience “cooking”. The numbers demonstrates a rudimentary raw ingredient to product yield experience. Product yeild meaning shit that can be sold.

The writer has gotten people high on chemicals. The writer/club-bar dealter knows his crystal is dirt and has made people sick. The writer knows they will come back for more. The ricin chemical, if told to someone as being something else, will be ingested with no questions asked.
Spoken, er written, like a street dealer doing a cost to benefit analysis.

But the writer deludes/motivates itself to send those letters along the lines laid out by dan, et al.

The writer is reading all of our posts.

on January 7, 2009 at 2:20 PM

It's a graduate degree thesis in progress folks. Just play along as if we're chimps in the wild and pay no attention to the cameras.

on January 7, 2009 at 2:55 PM

You are all just wanting to see this go down and so you are taunting him and trying to get this to happen... Idiots. Can't you live one day without drama?

on January 7, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Seattle CSI

on January 7, 2009 at 2:59 PM

It was my dogs.

on January 7, 2009 at 3:31 PM

You seriously get that kind of vicious hate mail from gay men? I'm honestly shocked. Why would they say those horrible things about you and your family? I mean, what reason do they give (if any) for why they seem to hate you so passionately?

on January 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM

1. with a foreskin he doesn't keep clean SO FUCKING GROSS!

2. lmao @ 31

3. @ fnarf 39 & 48: totally.

on January 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Also, it was:

John Bailo
Mr. Poe
ecce homo
Issur
Chelsea Alvarez-Bellsomethingorother

on January 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM

It's some kind of asinine hoax.

on January 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Wow, you are good-you got all that from a letter. Really Dan? As one of the "gays" you actually likes you and often enjoys your commentary- I a little concerned about what I detect as a recent slip- but, hey I'm still in your court-craziness and all- Oh, whatever happened to the bored/isolated loner high school kid-

on January 7, 2009 at 5:03 PM

84. That was my reaction too. As upset I am at this stupid threat, I finished reading Dan's post more upset by what he said he and his family go through.

It's bad enough Dan gets shit on so much here, but to pick on Terry and especially D.J. is just a low-life hateful thing to do.

on January 7, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Maybe it's John Fay.

on January 7, 2009 at 6:06 PM

My first thought upon reading the letter was that it was written by the jealous lover type guy who is going out of town for the weekend and wants to make sure his boyfriend stays at home.

on January 7, 2009 at 6:19 PM

someone already made reference to this earlier, but there is underlying religious tones if you research numerology and the significance of 55. (11 gay bars x 5 people = 55)

but i wont go there. research it yourself.

on January 7, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Event: “Capitol Hill Pub Crawl”
Date: Friday January 9th
Time: 8PM-2AM

11 Bars in the Capitol Hill area have received Death threats from anonymous letters graphically depicting the possible threat of Ricin poisoning.

On Friday Night January 9th 2009, 11 Bars operating in tandem to combat Hate and Fear, have organized a Capitol Hill PUB CRAWL. All people are encouraged to support our efforts to bring life to our local bars for support against Fear and Hatred posed to our local Gay community.
The Pub Crawl will began at 8pm and continues until 2am at all the 11 bars.
We ask that you gather your friends, pick a specific bar and work your way around the 11 establishments, we are trying not to get everyone at one point and move around together as most of the establishments cannot fit an overload of people at one time
The Elite 1520 E Olive Way (206) 860-0999
Neighbours 1509 Broadway (206) 324-5358
The Wildrose 1021 E Pike St (206) 324-9210
The Cuff 1533 13th Ave (206) 323-1525
Purr 1518 11th Ave (206) 325-3112
The Seattle Eagle 314 E Pike (206) 621-7591
R Place 619 E Pine St(206) 322-8828
Re-bar 1114 Howell Street (206) 233-9873
C.C.Attle’s 1501 E Madison Street (206) 323-4017
Madison Pub 1315 E Madison St (206) 325-6537
The Crescent 1413 E Olive Way (206) 726-1774

And remember not to leave your beverage unattended
Peace and be safe

on January 7, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Huh. From commenter Asparagirl over on metafilter http://www.metafilter.com/78053/Ricin-sc…

"Not only is the writer probably British, but he's probably old-school educated, too: he correctly writes "11" as a numeral and "five" as a word, which basically only copywriters do these days."

on January 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Thoughhhhh the weird phrasing of "this is merely your warning for which you can do nothing to prevent me" does rather fail to fit with the otherwise intense grammatical focus.

Also, "I have always had time on my side" is . . . what does that mean?

on January 7, 2009 at 7:30 PM

He's clearly informed by torture-porn. His air of aloof intelligence and the disciplined restraint in his prose (some weirdly plagiarized) are lifted straight from characters that populate the fantasies of the insecure little fucks, desperate for control. You know, of course, that the poor little worm is watching all of these threads (is maybe even participating in them), masturbating furiously.

on January 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Okay, I'm stuck on the fact that people threaten D.J. I understand the right to free speech, but I think threats are a different category. It really pisses me off that police can't do anything about letters like that!

on January 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM

@26
An aside: The Columbine killers were not bullied, contrary to popular belief. There was rampant poor reporting after the incident, with scared kids telling reporters what they'd heard their classmates say on TV, repeating rumors, and responding to leading questions. The shooters weren't victims, they didn't "break" - they were just completely fucked up and evil, and by the looks of the evidence, they were that going that way for a long time before entering high school.

on January 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Maybe this is just foolishness but I would like to point out that Poison historically has been a woman's method of killing. Its not to say that men can't or wont use it, but most often it is implemented by females.

Aside from that, assuming one is obese or even ugly doesn't often work. It could just as easily be someone that is shy. The silent ones are often the ones people need be most wary of.

Just my two cents.. take it or leave it.

on January 8, 2009 at 4:51 AM

100

The knee-jerk reaction to peg this 'unknown gay man' as ugly or fat says a lot about us as individuals and a group -- who would we want it to be? Someone undesirable. But just as serial murderers and rapists don't often look like the monsters we'd expect (handsome Ted Bundy, for example), this sad person, if gay and rejecting gay social life, probably doesn't either.

I agree with #99. Probably just someone who's shy rather than hideously deformed.

And also -- can we drop all the superficial hating? Fatty, twinky, etc... It's bitchy bullshit. We've got more than enough enemies without turning the gun on ourselves.

on January 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM

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