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please read your work
I guess what the Pope means by human sexual ecology is sending pedophiles to the tundra.
It's not language rage...it is having the decency to read your fucking work before you put it out to the world to see your spelling errors, missed words, etc.. It reflects poorly on the paper and the site.
and that was all that was ever officially said about it, apparently.
that's denial in all its glory.
That isn't consistent with the superfluous code of conduct contracts SU imposes on their faculty and students. I friend of mine's wife was a teacher there, and as a Jesuit school, they were very interested in her personal life.
The Marist Brothers at my high school and the priests and sisters of S.S.M.J. were all excellent and very kind to children with absolutely no harassment of the type you speak.
Catholic schools, while having problems, were always the poor man's private school. The clergy are paid near zero, yet many have masters degrees and ph. d.s even while teaching at the high school or elementary school level.
The thing that most saddens me is the gifted child who may not able to afford Lakeside School, but who would benefit from a more advanced education than some publics offer.
As for the priests, well, where else were they going to send them? It's not like they can just turn them over to the authorities to face criminal penalties, as if they were ordinary citizens. These dudes are SOLDIERS OF GOD. Of course they're going to rape a few parishioners here and there. It's a stressful life, being a -- well, whatever it is these fellows actually do to earn their crust.
Amazing that these churches are trying to take the moral high ground with gays and others who don't share the churches beliefs.
Unprofessional is as unprofessional does...too long for slog name
please also sheck this link for kevin annett:
All the priests are sick fuckin sexual perdators.
The Jesuits are the blackest demons on the planet.
Fuck the church....
If he's not too busy chasing down witches.
BTW, I grew up Catholic but am no longer "practicing"!
From small town canada - we had a priest who was responsible for a diocese consisting of four small, predominantly roman catholic, communities.
He was rumoured to be inappropriately involved with a little boy.
Our diocese bishop reassigned this priest to missionary work in China and months after arriving there the priest was found murdered in his apartment. this last bit about the murder was printed in his obituary, so is matter of fact. The pedophile bit is just village rumour, but coincidence or conspiracy?
Reconciliation? Like priest and abused child can sit down together, talk about their feelings, then kiss and make up. Maybe the preist could even take confession afterwards and then you can all go to mass and everything will be just like it was before all this nasty business happened.
I was thinking we could skin these evil priests alive, then set them on fire, then the church pays a huge sum of money to the survivors. Even then we'll still hate you and your parasitic cult.
The Franciscan asked, "What's a Mercedes Benz?"
The Jesuit asked, "What's a novena?"
It is best to keep ones belief and religion at home, away from those who want to exploit it.
No comment on the news, but people praising Sundborg should stop for a minute and consider how great his resignation would be for SU.
As an SU grad I have to say that in my experience Father Sundborg exercised wisdom, judgement, and temperance. His commitment to social justice was clear in every sermon he gave. I'm a liberal person and a lapsed Catholic. I'm ok with criticizing the church, but I'm troubled by the condemnation of Father Sundborg on the basis of the allegations in this lawsuit.
We have information on clergy abuse and ritual abuse at:
'Dere be some wacky shit writ here y'all!
I've read Fr. Sundborg's work at some length, and even met him once. 'Sure seems like a noble individual from everything I can discern. Associating the allegations of abuse with SU is a real cheap shot by a scumbag lawyer who has convinced some poor natives that they can 'cash in'...while HE gets 34%, of course!
...as if money would abate their ancestors' pain.
The horror here is the complete lack of resource or escape these entire communities faced. I can't even imaging the feeling of utter helplessness they must have gone through.
This is all too tragic - do you know what happens to a city, a tribe, or a state when more than half of the children have been sexually molested? Given the long-term effects I'd say they are unfortunately going to be experiencing those effects for several hundred years - yes that's how long it can take to heal because some of the way abuse affects personality can transmit for 5 or 6 generations before it returns to a baseline.
I don't see how any catholic can say that the church as an institution still represents jesus or god with a straight face - when so many of its priests are living a double-life or a lie. I mean, exactly how does one do daily devotions to love, cherish, and serve the supposed source of all goodness and well-being in the universe, and then after lunch decide where to send the sexual predator priest to cover up his crimes knowing that by sending him to some small alaskan town probably all the kids there will be molested by him, and more than a few will commit suicide, some will in turn molest kids when they are adults, and the rest will merely be fucked up for life (unless they get treatment or otherwise figure out how to deal with it).
I mean, you couldn't dream up a worse way to twist up and wound the human soul if you tried - and this is what the institution of the church stands for?
I mean if any of the priests of the catholic church had any real appreciation for what jesus is supposed to be about, they would dissolve the church, liquidate it's wealth and set up a perpetual trust fund to support their victims and their children for the next 100 years, burn all their writings, and then commit mass suicide to make sure that never again would anyone on earth ever revive their tradition.
One of the earliest things he would have done in his role as Provincial would have been to make himself familiar with everything in those files. I don't for a minute believe that he did not know. If he chose not to look at those files he is a fool and should never have been Provincial in the first place and he has no place running a university either.
America “liberals” are so fucking stupid and worthless and cowardly.
To the SU alum talking about SU being liberal--so? That is nice and all (and one of the reasons I also came to SU, but it is not Sundborg's doing.)
But I was in a bad accident right after graduation with a crack pipe and got way lost in a Tequila bottle.
Better than protecting child molesters and more honest than Fr. Steve's attempt at a innocent statement too!
I've been following abuse cases for about seven years now and find this one most interesting. This one seams to be the one, that will open Pandora's box all the way to the pope.
I can't wait to see this judge force Fr Steve into telling the secrets he has been keeping to protect the good church.
Reputation is all he was worried about when he gave his statement. That scares the shark out of me. What is he honestly trying to say. Still believe in me as your CFO, or Principal. Trust is earned not given. Time to earn my trust Fr. Steve.
I think your guilty of hiding a secret. Your only as sick as your deepest secret. So spill the beans Steve. Get Honest!!!!
Good Day Sir and I use sir to be polite. You Enabler
Like no married men are pedophiles? Guess again.
Two factors drive pedophiles into the church: celibacy does not deter men who aren't attracted to adult women -- they may think their unattraction is a gift from god, in fact, and men who want to molest children seek positions of trust and authority over them.
As a kid, I read Edwin O'Connor's The Edge of Sadness, about a recovering alcoholic priest who, once rehabilitated, was sent back to serve a poor parish. Later I wondered if alcoholism was actually code for the unspeakable pedophilia.
If it were up to me, I would say screw the lawsuit... lets line up all the Jesuit pedophiles and let the victims ram large poles up the priest's asses... show them how it feels to be violated. That would only cause trouble though so I guess the lawsuit is the next best thing... I just hate seeing a bunch of ambulance-chasing legal asswipes getting all the money they will be making. Lawyers don't sue because of moral outrage... they sue to make their Escalade and Condo payments. They're almost as bad as the priests!
"Sundborg, who was the provincial for the Jesuits' Oregon Province from 1990 to 1996, called the position the 'greatest privilege' of his life. He said he never dealt with a sexual abuse of a minor case during his time as provincial."
On the other hand, almost five years ago, Rev. John D. Whitney, S.J. (Sundborg's successor as provincial leader of the Jesuits) wrote this about the Oregon Province:
The John Jay College of Criminal Justice at City University of New York was
given the task of surveying the dioceses of the United States regarding the
number of credible allegations of clergy sexual abuse of minors received
from 1950 to 2002 against priests or deacons (non-ordained ministers and
seminarians were not part of the study)...
Consequently, I have released these numbers to the Jesuits of the Province
and now release them to you, our companions. Though I will also release
these numbers publicly, when asked, it is important to me that their
publication begins with you and not with the media. And so here are the
statistics for the years 1950-2002:
* Number of priests and deacons in the Province: 662
* Number of priests or deacons accused of misconduct: 16
* Number of victims who made allegations: 32
* Amount of money expended: $2,522,848
It follows that if Sundborg "never dealt with a sexual abuse of a minor case," as the Spectator reports, then none of the cases of misconduct listed above must have been reported from 1990-96, but were only reported from 1950-1989, and then started up again from 1997-2002. How convenient!
a;lot of bad people prey on native kids and women. they come in all colors. they come to the resorvations to take rape and murder. and they walk away scot free because the goverment will not alow the native goverments to prosicute them. The goverment won't do anything to these parasites because the victums are Natives and they do not care.
I am of mixed blood. Why? because goverment sponsered cowards called indian fighters raped one of my grate grate grandmothers. These good Christians attacked women and chidlren. She was only 12 she tried to fight them by kicking at them. they held her legs propted on a log and laid a rifle across then and one jumped on it and broke her legs so she could not fight. when they were done they scalped her and left her and the others for dead.
she lived to see her daughter born and died a day later.
That was in 1810. The goverment is still trying to kill us off. And they have used their religous whores to do it in some of the vicious ways imaginable.
The thing the catholics call their holy mother is really just a filthy whore. and so are her clergy. that is the bottom line.
David0042 replies: This is very true. I have just finished reading about the Juvenile Justice system in the US. Outside of the "family" which is the biggest institution responsible for child abuse, the Juvenile Justice System in the US is estimated to be a close second which leaves the Catholic Church in the dust when it comes to child abuse. The real problem in the US is that if you are kid with the terms "black, poor and criminal record" associated with your name, then God help you, because very few people in middle class white America will and if you are 12 years old and get raped, then you must have done something deserve it. It is incredibly sad what goes on in this country right under our noses and we do nothing to stop it, and then we turn round and start to scream at the head of some Jesuit University since that makes us feel better. We live in a seriously sick society.