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Sullivan's links serve as a reminder of this.
Sad, but alas, not surprising.
I'm sure there are more. Await further instructions.
Jesus would be so proud, I can imagine him wiping a tear of happiness....
Thank God that the Obama administration caved last month to religious right and GOP demands that it withdraw a new domestic terrorism report that indicated, among other things, that radicals might use abortion as a justification for committing acts of domestic terrorism. Now a man is dead, and an American church has been shot up during services. Which leads to the question as to whether the Obama administration plans to do anything about the terrorist threat posed by religious right extremists, or whether typical Democratic spinelessness will lead us to now ignore this brutal murder, since that is the message that was sent last month, just weeks before this act of terror.
Note that had Obama held firm in the face of the criticism last month, he'd be riding high right now and the GOP would be cowering in shame for having basically enabled this terrorist act. But Democrats rarely look to the future, nor do they see benefit in having a spine or doing what's right. And now a man is dead.
The killer evidently remains at large.
Many people of different (or no) religious beliefs find late term abortion to be reprehensible and immoral.
Some things are legal but immoral.
Slavery was.
Abortion is.
I wonder if some things can be illegal but moral...
Furthermore, far-right groups (and individuals) that proclaim to be Fundamentalist Christians tend to applaud those acts (unless it is made really uncomfortable for them to take pride in being pro-hate).
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If Osama is murdered in cold blood by a rival what will be an appropriate response?
Relief?
Joy?
Outrage at the murder?
Applause?
Stick your ignorant anachronistic world-view up your uptight ass. I'm willing to bet a paycheck that this white male is a christian. You willing to put up yours that it is not?
Regardless of this murderous person's faith (which it would be SHOCKING if it was not a christian fundamentalist), you are defending and part of religious fundamentalism.
Show me the atheists or agnostics who are committed violent crimes against "the believers".
Do the planet a favor....do not reproduce.
Aravosis can eat shit. That narcissistic motherfucker needs to shut the fuck up and wait to see what Obama does. Anything less proves what a useless piece of shit he is, period.
Condemning the murder and murderer does not require one to ignore the monstrous immorality of the murdered victim.
Pondering how the universal scales of justice weigh the death of one who killed so many vs. the illegal act of murder that struck him down does not imply any condoning of the murder.
Being a victim does not make you a Saint, or negate a lifeswork of evil.
Sometimes there are no heros in a story, bad people do bad things to other bad people.
I think most people who oppose abortion oppose the slaughter of INNOCENT human life.
If pro-choice activist value ALL choices they should have no problem with this guy making his choice for how to deal with the doctor.
It was not uncommon for abolition activist to kill slave holders.
Their contemporaries and we see them as courageous heroes.
Would he have the world judge and condemn all homosexuals based on the behavior of Jeffrey Dahmer?
Really?
The Democrats should nip this scam in the bud by passing laws to protect America's unborn children.
It's amazing and sad that you and your fanatical ilk can't see the obvious contradictions at the heart of your "philosophy."
A respect for life suggests that we protect innocent life and punish those who take it.
What price and penalty should be extracted from someone who takes an innocent life?
If you value that life highly justice would demand the ultimate price, the life of the killer.
It is consistent and simple.
Babies should be protected.
Murders should be executed.
When they find and convict Dr Tiller's killer I hope he is executed.
It may be ironic but there is no contradiction.
right. so there should be no killing unless you (and your religious brethren) decide there should be. have you considered the families of the aborted fetuses? you're all about protecting children, when abortion could very well be the best thing for them at that time. families not ready for children shouldn't have them. resentment can lead to abuse and by criminalizing abortion you're forcing children onto people that will resent them. but hey, a lifetime of abuse is better than a painless death, right? no one deserves this. least of all someone who's devoted his life and time to ensuring women can have the right to choose what they can and can't do safely with their bodies.
your religious ideals don't trump a person's choice. don't believe in abortion? don't fucking have one.
families not ready for children shouldn't get pregnant
Right he is white Christian male so he can actually be held accountable. If he were and Muslim and/or person of African or Arab descent we would be told we were ignorant for condemning it blindly but should "look at the reasons". Ever notice we always hear that when it is an Arab Muslim, but never when it is a white Christian.?
We are also told "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Yet this never applies to the white christian terrorist/freedom fighter and DEFINATELY not if the victim is Muslim or a person of color.
Of course, the GOP, and the religious hierarchy, and the conservative media realize this, and they use the issue to play saps for their votes and their money. "Conservatives" have pretty much controlled thing for the last dozen years or so, but do we see any tinkering with abortion? Oh, sure, they go back and forth about family planning funding, and what trimester is the cutoff, and parental notification, but that's it. Why kill the goose that lays the golden egg?
Of course, there is occasionally the victim, like this doctor and, to a certain extent, the weak-minded nutcase who was driven to do this by the hysteria surrounding the issue, but the anti-freedom people consider that just a cost of doing business.
It's all a racket, and a big diversion. Only the hard-core crazies think it's about "saving babies".
Since Roe 40 Million babies have been aborted in America.
Abortion punishes people (children who did not ask to be conceived) for doing something people do by nature (which is, to be conceived when two other people choose to engage in behavior they know may lead to pregnancy), by KILLING THEM.
It's unfair and it completely dehumanizes people by KILLING THEM for having the poor judgement to be conceived by two other people.
If people give in to their basest hormonal instincts and make poor choices and the only way out of the poor choice is to KILL SOMEBODY why don't we start KILLING THE SLOBS WHO MADE THE POOR CHOICE instead of killing the innocent bystander.
If you insist on KILLING something let's at least get it right...
The AMA does make Hitler and Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot look like rank amateurs...
or you could stick your head up your ass; either way will shield you from unpleasant truths...
Second, you, the media, and even some pro-choice people here refer to those opposed to legal abortion as "pro-life". Bullshit. Pro-choice does not equal anti-life. Most (not all) anti-abortion people could give a rat's ass about the fetus after it turns into a baby. The Republican party screams bloody murder at anything that makes keeping the baby a realistic option: raising the minimum wage, subsidizing day care, making a decent education more affordable so mother and child won't be condemned to a life of low wage jobs or welfare, even better public transportation so working mothers can get to better paying jobs. And 43 is right about you people being opposed to birth control that would have prevented the unwanted pregnancy in the first place.
When you Republicans start showing that you actually care about real people who don't take the choice of ending an unwanted pregnancy lightly but recognize that they are not able to be effective parents, then maybe others will actually take you seriously. But if all you care about is "Waaaaah! Those Wall Street millionaires pay too much in taxes! Boo-hoo-hoo!" then you are a liar for calling yourself pro-life. Go fuck yourself.
Yes,
and what we FEAR most is you're disapproval, "Matt".
Sorry.
It stifles my creative juices not to be able to tailor the name to the post...
But maybe one day you'll get a life and you'll know that happy day has arrived when it doesn't bother you what name (or lack thereof) I post under...
People are kwazy all over. Example:
A Pole came home one day from work, hung up his coat, took off his hat and walked into his bedroom shouting "honey I'm home!"
What should he see but his best friend in bed with his wife. Infuriated, he rushed to the cupboard, pulled out his gun and put it to his head. His wife started laughing. "Don't laugh!" he screams. "You're next!"
The abortions that he was performing were legal. If any person had a problem with that, they should have taken it up with lawmakers. There are valid grounds for limiting the availability of late-term abortions, and there are laws reflecting this already in place in Kansas, I believe. Killing this one man will do absolutely nothing to stop or slow the rate of abortion.
Now, to feel better, let's listen to some bill hicks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4mFHqYr0…
@64, i think i love you.
In any given year in America a Physician has a 1 in 1,253,000 chance of being killed over abortion.
This year one in five babies conceived in America will end up impaled on the end of a physicians blade.
Exactly whom is inflicting a "sinister note" onto whose existence?
You say "why don't we start KILLING THE SLOBS WHO MADE THE POOR CHOICE"...so, your intent is to kill:
-any woman who had an abortion
-the doctor that helped
--the husband that helped
--the women who helped her
--the boy friend that helped her.
Ok, so that would be about 50-100 million Americans.
Are you going to use gas chambers?? How are you going to process this thru the courts? You couldn't. Do you plan to start a civil war and have roving bands of executioners?
Tell us your plans. Own your position.
Fire from Heaven.
Killing doctors is wrong. I hope we can agree on this.
People who kill abortionist should face the full penalty of the law.
Killing babies is wrong. I hope we can agree on this.
Thou Shalt Not Kill (1.2.3.)
1. Does not apply to us (say the religious folks). Nyah, nyah.
2. Offer not valid in all 50 states.
3 Your mileage may vary.
Zygote aren't babies. I hope we can agree on this.
Really sad about Tiller. The saddest part is that these kinds of acts have successfully discouraged so many doctors and clinics from offering abortions in the first place. The terrorists are winning.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been listening to that crap for years. You people are such dreary drama queens.
We sing a fine song in this country about loving children, but we don't want to insure them, we don't want to feed them, we don't want to provide good schools for them, we don't want provide low cost or free college for them. About the only use we have for them, as a society, is as fresh meat to market shoddy products to.
As my mother often says, everybody loves babies, but not many people love children - and that includes most of these nutjobs that wring their hands and bore the daylights out of normal people with their self-righteous obsession over "the babies".
Of course.
Pregnant women always run around saying:
"I'm having a Zygote!"
And their friends respond:
"Oh! When is your Zygote due?"
Then her boyfriend says:
"I'm not ready for a Zygote..."
Pissed off fairy: If I send you a small check, will you go out and buy yourself some logic. Blaming Dan for whatever mess you assume is about to arrive on your doorstep is like blaming Steve Poole for rain.
You're right.
I feel like such a hypocrite.
Let's kill all the little bastards.
When they say "I'm having a baby" they mean a full-term baby. They may have a zygote at that time but they're envisioning the future, not the present.
Bill Hicks
Bingo. This is the thing that keeps staring you in the face every time something like this happens. Never mind the death penalty, never mind how much they cut health and human services to children...they're perfectly fine with war, perfectly fine with torturing and killing war prisoners...and yet they're...pro-life you say?
They don't give a good goddamn about life. They are about control.
Except during times of war? Except when they're sick and we don't want to provide them with health care because that would be socialist?
92
We kill babies because we are not satisfied with the Right's positions on war and torture and healthcare.
I couldn't agree more.
92
We aren't all that interested in healthcare, education or rehabilitation for ex-cons, either.
Can we start clearing the backlog on death row?
The fundamental assumption of the anti-choice movement is that a two-celled zygote is a human being. That belief is a remarkably newly held one in both the church and in society. Most, but admittedly not all, of those who hold anti-choice positions also have a very firm belief in the Providence of God--that events that do not have a clearly human cause are part of "God's plan." (Many Christians, myself included, believe that this is not in fact the case--but I believe it is a fair assessment that a majority of devoutly anti-choice Christians do hold that belief.)
That being the case, following the logic that permits, seeks somehow to explain or even relativize the morality of this senseless murder, anti-choice believers surely must condemn God and renounce their faith because God has committed far more abortions than Dr. Tiller.
I realize that this statement is inflammatory, particularly coming from a pastor and a person of faith. But It state it not to assert its truth, but to seek to demonstrate the fallacy of the moral certitude that lies at the heart of those in the anti-choice movement who condone, or turn a blind eye, to violence committed ostensibly in the name of God.
To equate IN ANY MORAL SENSE the intentional murder of Dr. Tiller with Dr. Tiller's providing a LEGAL medical procedure that terminates a pregnancy within the legal bounds of Roe v. Wade is to make a mockery of morality, ethics and faith. To in any way seek to justify or morally relativize Dr. Tiller's slaughter using dubious statistics about the number of terminated pregnancies is to play the politics and morality of Himmler.
There are days when I truly believe Christ weeps for the ignorance, hate, arrogance and pompous moral certainty of those who claim to follow him. Today is such a day.
A friend in high school was the child of anti-choicers, and as they ascribed to the no-birth control, hide-her-virgin-ears line, she did not get sex education either. When she got knocked up at 16 out of this ignorance, her dad (a save the children, every baby is a product of God who deserves love guy) threw her out of the house. I don't know what happened to her or the baby she was forced to have. If that's how one shows love to children, I'm glad not to have any.
The thing is, no one really wants women to have to undergo abortions. One side thinks the way to reduce abortion is to educate about and provide access to scientifically-proven-effective means of birth control--they realize that 1) people like to have sex and 2) people should know how to do so safely and responsibly. For this group, abortion should be a last resort of birth control, not a first. They also recognize that there are medical situations in which abortion is the best option, such as ancephaly or other fatal abnormalities or multiples.
The other side wants to label unmarried women who engage in straight sex as selfish whores who deserve what they get, and thus shame women into not getting abortions. Married women shouldn't have abortions or use birth control either, as babies within a marriage are part of God's plan, no matter how many kids you already have or can afford. Women who are raped should carry resulting babies because the babies are blameless, yet women in this situation are left to care for a child without support. Pregnancies that endanger the life of the mother or child are supposed to be continued no matter what, as such difficulties are your cross to bear. Rarely to never are the men who helped create these pregnancies called to task.
All things considered, I'd rather people be educated and able to have sex safely instead of demonized.