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I prefer the Seattle Center to keep its few Green Spaces. I will call the city council and let me opinion be known.

Hopefully this awful idea can be killed before it gains traction.
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"We should be down on our knees in thanks that we have such an iconic Northwest artist!"

Um, besides the Bellagio, I have no idea who this dude is.*shrug*
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My prediction is that the fat cats will use their influence to get this built, they'll have a big flashy gala for the opening and an occasional corporate event thereafter but otherwise next to zero regular attendance. It will become another one-trick-pony attraction at the seattle center just like everything else there. But since their funding will come from rich people who "care about the arts" the fact that it will be financially insolvent won't matter.
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the space is asphalt, not green
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@3: Same. Except more so. Until this brouhaha, I had never even heard of this Chiboobitybobbity guy.
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Opposition to the Chihuly Museum has nothing to do with "green space" or opposition to commerce. It has to do with opposition to tasteless garbage. It has to do with opposition to using a city park to solve Chihuly's storage problems. It has to do with wanting to see the Center used in a way that benefits the people, not a handful of self-inportant CEO philistines.
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Seattle is a stupid, stupid city.
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I thought this comment on the HorsesAss article says it all:

"A single space dedicated to a living artist is usually called a gallery, right? Don’t we have a bunch of those down on First Ave? By Pike Place Market? Where tourists actually go"
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@4,

Well said. I agree this is what any museum will turn out to be. The supporters of truly functional public space - for citizens - rather that just for tourists and coventioneers, don't have PR firms on retainer ready to grease the wheels of government. But I wrote again today to Seattle City Councilmember Sally Bagshaw, who's head of the committee which will need to sign off on this, and if the letters and calls against the museum idea continue to outpace those in support, as this post suggests they are, there's a good chance of stopping this thing.
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I would like to repeat my comment from a previous thread:

Let the city make some money. I am almost never down in that area, and I doubt any of you are either. I would prefer to have a museum of "Seattle Glass Artists", with maybe the pirate having a permanent display? But at least provide rotating space for local artists to get their glass bought by tourists. I mean, come on. We have amazing local talent, and they deserve money. And the city deserves money. So build it, and put green space/a skate park near it.
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City Council members know that actual Seattle voters are overwhelmingly against this "Chihulhy Museum".
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I just called Bagshaw's office and said no.

(206) 684-8801

very nice lady on the phone.
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"He's the Elvis of Glass!"

Fat? Check. Credited for ideas that aren't his? Check.

Only, Presley didn't have 2 museums erected for him while he was still alive. Wait for Dale to die imo.

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Cienna... one correction. I hung out after you left, and eventually got to speak just before 9PM. But the rest of your post is dead on.
http://horsesass.org/?p=25867
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How does one get "FROG" out of "Friends of the Green"?
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Re: Tourism. Sorry to poop on the party but Chihuly isn't really famous outside of Washington, assuming famous means, y'know, people have heard of him.
Really, how many glass art enthusiasts are there in the world ? Who care about art you can't smoke weed out of ?
How many of you who are transplants had even heard of The Pirate before moving here ? Dude doesn't even have his stuff at Target.
If Chihuly deserves his own museum at Seattle Center there's about a hundred actually famous people named in responses to a recent Questionland question who deserve one even more, I vote for a Sir Mix-a-lot museum of big butts.
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Thanks, Goldy. I'll make the correction.
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Dear Seattle: No one outside a 300-mile radius has heard of Dale Chihuly. That's not a great base for a tourist attraction.
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actually, there are 2 galleries off dexter in south lake union, one of which is owned by the wrights...

chihuly is to glass what thomas kinkade is to painting. i hope the city grows some balls and tells the wrights to pony up some cash and buy adjacent real estate.
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@21, I don't understand your comment. Did you read my post? Three PR firms were present--most people were paid to be at the meeting. I was at the meeting. The first hour of *public comment* was reserved for Space Needle and Seattle Center interests (they signed up at 3:30 for a 6:30 meeting, FYI), who would make money off this deal. Not the public. In conclusion, your argument makes no sense.
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Yes to the Wrights buying a gallery space if they want to showcase Chihuly. He has a museum in Tacoma... and No to private acquisition of public space...
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@6 I'm going to continue calling him cthulhu.
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I arrived at 6 p.m. to sign up. I was 164 on the list. I waited until almost 9 p.m. to speak against the proposal. The pro-group with the "talking points" only rarely talked about the project at hand, gushing on about Mr Chihuly's programs for children and seniors and how his work is in Las Vegas and on cruise ships. The project at hand is a restaurant, shop, and static exhibit space surrounded by a fenced in garden (with more glass no doubt). There are no children's programs, no programs for seniors, no free days, no hot shop to watch. No activities except shopping, gawking and eating– all at a cost. Former City Councilwoman Phyllis Lamphere was elegant and eloquent in her remarks. Artist Jack Mackie was articulate and on point. The size of the parcel seemed to shrink as the night went on, making those of us who championed open space sound small in comparison to the "magnanimous gift" being offered to the City. Beware the Trojan Horse.
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Blogging is fine, but those of you who are opposed to the Chihuly proposal will hopefully also either call or write the Seattle City Council; Mayor McGinn; Robert Nellams, Executive Director of Seattle Center; and the Seattle Center Advisory Board. Individual letters are apparently most effective. Given the organized effort to push this proposal through at Tuesday night's hearing, it is crucial that
opponents speak up - loudly and often. Please ask your friends, loved ones, neighbors, coworkers, baristas, etc. to oppose this project by calling and writing. We have an opportunity to reclaim public space for the masses. Let's not be complacent and let this proposal simply happen.
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Ellen, I would suggest you read what is being proposed before you claim what you claim.

As part of their lease, they are required to create distribution of free tickets for low income and educational purposes thought various charities, the communtiy and the Seattle Center. There there will be the development of an educational program incorporating lesson plans, interactivity and creativity to ensure that EVERY SEATTLE SCHOOLD DISTRICT 5th Gradeer gets to visit.

It costs money to go to the Aquarium and Zoo, both opeated by the parks. It will cost about the same for this exhibit.

It should be noted to all here that private funds have paid for more than 50 % of the development of amenites on the Seattle campus over the last 20 years. 400 Million of 700 Million spent has been private dollars. Would you prefer NOT to have renovated the 1924 built opera house to make it viable in todays concerts and theatre setting? To bring it up to code and make it fully ADA accessable?

The Opera House AND Mercer Arena were BOTH built by PRIVATE FUNDS on PUBLIC Park Land. And like the Chihuly space, we taxpayer still own the building and the grounds.

We DO need more open space, but this space would be far from good open space even if plowed and planted. It is surrounded on all sides by tall attractions. There is no direct access to any of it. It sits to the side of the long standing traditional Mural Stage. It used to be a Putt Putt Golf Course at one time. IF you want open space, the Center already has GREAT space for the fountain, and 17 acres of it. But for good open space, hit the Sculpture Park (oh dear, also funded by those damn rich white old folks) Or Myrtle Edwards, Or Kinnear, or Denny, or South Lake Union. I, too, wish the Commons had passed. I worked FOR it.

But open space has to work as good open space. The open space by the fountain works really well. If it were me, I would first doze the buildings east of the Key Arena, west of the fountain, and open that space up.

The space in question has not seen light of day since about 1870, and unless you mow down the Science Center and the Childrens Theatre, it will not be best used as OPEN space. We have already used tax dollars to pay for the building. This offer costs taxpayers and the parks NOTHING. The Wrights are on the hook for at least a half MILLION a year. IF it does not work, they will be the first to doze the place.

WHY HERE, and not elsewhere? Simple. This way the CENTER gets the money instead of some private developer. IF plowed, this space does NOTHING to make up the $350,000 shortfall the previous tennant was paying into the parks. The new tennant is paying $150,000 more, and will generate more admissions tax. This way the CENTER gets another 400,000 or so to visit the grounds. This brings in revenue for the CITY. Creates JOBS. even some UNION jobs. It offers teaching about art. It brings MORE CHOICES to the 74 acres that are the vibrant heart of the city.

I am NOT a paid flack, do NOT blow glass, and have no direct connection to this proposal. I am a pragmatic parent, and fourth generation resident who sees an overall win.

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I was at BOTH meetings. Cienna - NO ONE I KNOW WAS PAID TO BE THERE - I know some of them, I met some of them, and I was there. NOT ONE OF THEM were PAID TO BE THERE.

Rose and K - Hundreds of Thousands have paid to see Chihuly Glass on display in various exhibits around the globe and across the USA. You need to get out more before you claim no one has heard of him.

This exhibit, Like EMP, will also be a strong attaction for the 3 million of us locals within a 50 mile radius. Most of those living here could not tell you who No Mo was, or Tony Galino... but there is no residency test to live here, nor visit the center. Even those citing the Bubbleator at the meetings seemed to forget that it originally was in the US pavilion (aka Key Arena) NOT the Center House.
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Join the Facebook page: "NO to Chihuly at the Needle" We need to show that the funded PR campaign of the Wright / Chihuly Corporation isn't representative of what the people of Seattle want.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages…

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@22 No one was paid to be there! Are you kidding me? Where do you get your information? I was there as a supporter for the Chihuly exhibit and was not paid. My friends who were there were not paid. I know the Chihuly people - they were not paid.

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Nice to hear that

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