Blogs Apr 12, 2010 at 8:59 am

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Any child that goes unadopted for a period that exceeds forty-five (45) days shall be immediately euthanized humanely and their organs harvested for purposes of donation and study. Remaining biological material shall be repurposed as feed for livestock, sold at a market rate.
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enter the lion's den of fauxnews; ask him to be interviewed on his show. he might, his producers won't.
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Wasn't this the guy who thought a violent offender should go free? Some values indeed.
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Come on, the guy's a Bible-thumper. From the South. This should surprise no-one.
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I just copy/pasted the first two paragraphs of this post into an email I sent to his contact website address telling him how idiotic his view is. (I did not include the "fuck you in your bigoted fucking mouth" part, though it would have expressed exactly how I feel about him too.)

What an asswipe.
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Heterosexuals often are irresponsible in their reproductive behavior.
And that, my friends, prooves- beyond any shadow of a doubt- that homosexuals are good parents.
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"the basic, fundamental definitions of family" - how utterly inane and disrespectful of people who have formed families outside of this "definition" he speaks of.
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As every Christian knows, Jesus was far more concerned about following church rules than caring for orphans.
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@1: Ewwwwwww.
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@6: Yet another dumb comment from an unregistered commenter. Luckily, I don't really need to explain what's stupid about it. Or do I?
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@6 - Actually, every study ever done by objective children's psychological organizations proves that gay families are, in general, as good, if not better, than straight families.

I don't take offense at this, as a married woman; I can have accidental children that I don't want or am not ready for. My gay friends cannot. Doesn't mean I, personally, am a less fit parent, it's just basic logic.
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Mike is just Thinking of the children
and it makes Dan angry...

Durham (gay) man faces long prison term for sex crimes against adopted child

http://www.wral.com ^ | Mar 30, 2010 | WRAL News

Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 3:39:52 PM by Maelstorm

Durham, N.C. — A former Duke University employee should serve "a substantial period of incarceration" followed by a lifetime of supervision for sex crimes against a child, according to sentencing guidelines for the crime filed last week in district court.

The man invited an undercover police officer to Durham to have sexual contact with his adopted 5-year-old son.

Frank M. Lombard, 43, was sentenced Monday to 27 years in prison. He pleaded guilty in December to a federal child sex charge. He was arrested in June after authorities said Washington police caught him in a sting operation.

Lombard was charged with attempting to induce someone to cross state lines to engage in a sexual offense. He pleaded to sexual exploitation of a minor, a charge which carries a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

In recommending the sentence, U.S. Attorney Ronald C. Machen Jr. wrote, "The defendant betrayed the trust of his adopted child in the most deplorable way imaginable. His child became nothing more than a pawn in his persistent attempts to gratify himself by sexually molesting him and chatting online with as many other pedophiles as possible."

Lombard was fired from his position as associate director of the Center for Health Policy at Duke in July and has been in a D.C. jail since August.

In court documents, an undercover member of the Washington Metropolitan Police Department described an online chat in which someone named "F.L." invited him to Durham to have sexual contact with his adopted 5-year-old son.

The officer made contact with "F.L" after an informant told FBI agents that he saw a man called “cooper2” perform sex acts on a young African-American child via online chats on multiple occasions. The informant's description of "cooper2" corresponded with the description of Lombard.

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Sorry for the slam against your family, Dan.

The man is career politician, he wants to run for President. He's saying what is needed to gain support. It think it is unlikely that he would politically, let alone personally, lift a finger to help children in foster care. Like others who claim to be pro-children, he'd rather see children live feeling rejected, than allow them a home and a family where the are wanted. Maybe, he and his ilk will prove me wrong. I pity him.
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@12
Gay people are sometimes irresponsible in their parenting behavior.
And that, my friends, proves- beyond any shadow of a doubt- that heterosexuals are good parents.
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Rewind:

they are wanted
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@12 Straight people abuse their children, should we take children away from ALL straight people?
Some gay people are gonna be bad parents.
Some straight people are gonna be bad parents.
Some black people are gonna be bad parents.
Some white people are gonna be bad parents.
Some purple people are gonna be bad parents.
What's your point?
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The same point that is made in
"Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father"
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AMEN
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"Fundamental definition of family." 70% of families are non-tradition. Kids are raised by foster parents, grandparents, step parents, single parents, aunts and uncles, adoptive parents. There is no fundamental definition of family other than a loving, healthy home.
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I'm no fan of Huckabee but what he has stated concerning is no different from what social and libertine nations like France have stated concerning the best interests of minors and the demands of adults. It's clear that the former should always take precedence before the latter.

Comprehensive sex education in accordance with the ethical and moral values of the parents or close family caretakers can take place and has taken place since human existence without having to insert the teaching of homosexuality. Support begins at the home and as such the priorities and governmental aid need to place first in helping to solidify stronger families. Whether it is thru "federally-subsidized daycare" or educational after school programs for households headed by a single parent. To place more importance on failed cases where abortions take place or to advocate for birth control for minors, or the teaching to the underage of behaviors that are medically known to carry with them higher health risks is tantamount to provoking and legitimizing the detrimental effects that destroy stronger, responsible and productive families in the first place.
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Period Hive Drone @6 & 12, Just because this gay man was unfit to parent does not mean all gays are likewise unfit to parent. It's just the same as with straight parents. To prove this, look at any of the 'Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father' articles Dan posts. Some people just aren't fit to parent, it has nothing to do with sexual orientation though.
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'Where do children who need to be adopted come from?'
..from breeder mills..
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@21 see @17
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Paedophile ring convicted of abuse (gay LGBT paedohile ring )
The Daily Mail
A paedophile ring has been smashed after eight men were found guilty of a horrifying catalogue of more than 50 child pornography and abuse charges.
Among the crimes was a shocking sexual attack carried out on a three-month-old baby boy by an executive adviser on child sex issues.
James Rennie, chief executive of a publicly-funded gay rights group, was one of the men exposed yesterday as members of Scotland's biggest paedophile ring.
One of the most worrying aspects of the case is the way Rennie was able to reach a position where he could influence Executive policy on child sexuality.

Under his leadership, the group backed proposals to allow gay adoption.

Rennie, 38, molested the toddler son of unsuspecting friends - a little boy he had been trusted to babysit - recording the abuse and sharing it with other perverts.
In the course of the police investigation, the boy's parents were forced to watch a video of their baby son being violated by Rennie.

During their investigations, police recovered tens of thousands of still and moving images of the most vile child abuse.

One of the most worrying aspects of the case is the way Rennie was able to reach a position where he could influence Executive policy on child sexuality.
A trained teacher, Rennie became the boss of LGBT Youth Scotland, a publicly-funded support group for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender young people.
He took on the £40,000 a year role when the group was set up in 2003 and became the Executive's most important and influential adviser on gay issues affecting children.
Under his leadership, the group backed proposals to allow gay adoption. As well as appearing in the Scottish parliament, he was invited to a Royal Garden Party and to Downing Street.

Yesterday, Rennie, from Edinburgh, was found guilty of indecently abusing the baby boy. The abuse began when the child was three months old and continued for several years. Rennie filmed and photographed himself committing the abuse, sent the images to others and allowed another man to listen on the phone while he molested the child.
He allowed the boy, whom he called his 'nephew', to be abused by another paedophile and also offered him to other deviants in a series of emails.
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@23 You're not getting it. You have yet to explain why gays should not be allowed to adopt. The incontrovertible fact that some parents are terrible has nothing implicitly to do with their sexual orientation.
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That's exactly what we're saying.
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@24, And again, you pose this as if it were an indictment of all gay adopters. But in the same way that the 'Every Child Deserves...' articles show that some straight people aren't fit to parent, this also shows that some gay people aren't fit to parent. But unless you can show evidence otherwise, it is perfectly reasonable to believe that gay people are equally capable of parenting as straight people.

Also, it is frankly offensive the way you suggest that all gay men are pedophiles, which is simply a hateful lie.
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@12, 24: Pedophile, not necessarily homosexual, Alleged; they are independent. Tahnk yew four pleyink teh gaem, bot yew huv jest laust.

@26: The point we like to make (and the point that you have been trying to make) is that how good a parent is has nothing to do with their sexual orientation. So in that case, we should give homosexuals, heterosexuals, and bisexuals equal rights to adoption, since orientation doesn't really matter. Why yes, that sounds good to me!
Or maybe we should only let asexuals adopt, since they aren't sexually attracted to anything and therefore will never go all Pedobear on their adopted kids. You like idea?
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Dogs that shouldn't breed get sterilized or put down. Humans who shouldn't breed enjoy the inalienable right to make as many babies as they damn well please, and if they can't afford to take care of them the rest of us will pick up the tab, and they'll never have their babies forcibly taken away from them unless they're criminally bad parents. So yes, Huckabee is correct to say that puppies are different than human children.
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@18, I'm with you. AMEN!
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@24 makes the same point that is made in
"Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father" .

Is Dan suggesting in "Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father" that all heterosexuals are child abusers!?

Should we be frankly offended?
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"the basic, fundamental definitions of family"
In the face of any historical or contemporary cross-cultural review of how human beings actually form families, this statement of Huckabee's is rendered meaningless. You could say the only "fundamental" definition of family is "older humans taking care of younger humans", but even that fails in some cases.
This whole "traditional marriage" commentary is uniquely an appeal to a non-existent "ideal world" based, unhappily, on a profound lack of acceptance and compassion for other people. It's exactly like saying, "we should return to the way it was in the olden days". Devoid of useful meaning, save that of creating in- and out-groups. Us vs. Them.
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David Waldman at Daily Kos just took him apart on this:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4…

(because Huckabee's kid was involved in some crazy abuse/slaughter of a dog incident)
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According to Dan the Durham man Lombard (@12) is "an openly gay man "
He had a partner and had adopted two African-American boys....
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@31, No, but that is the interpretation you seem to make. If I'm wrong, then it would be good to hear you say otherwise.
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I've spoken to some teachers, and they've told me (and I would challenge D.Savage and The Stranger to investigate further) that adoptive children of gay couples tend to do far better in school than other kids. Why? Because they are wanted children.
Gays who want to adopt do so out of a profound love and desire for children. The hurdles they must face in adoption weed out the weak-willed and unready. Gays who don't want to children, simply don't have children. Heterosexuals who don't want children may end up with children anyway.

Again, this is not an indictment against Heterosexuals' child-rearing abilities. There are clearly millions of "straight" families who want and love their children very much, and who's children excel in school. But statistically speaking, more children of "gay" parents do better in school, because they are explicitely loved and wanted, than do children of "straight" parents.
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According to the Daily Mail the gang in the case @24 were Gay:

"Gay rights campaigner led a double life as leader of paedophile ring"

In addition to Rennie the gang included

John Murphy, 44, who worked as a DJ in a Gay bar, receptionist ay a Gay sauna and as a journalist for the Gay Times.

Neil Strachan, 41, and his boyfriend
Colin Slaven, 23.

and

Neil Campbell, 46, a cake shop manager who ran an after-school club for children, "led a double life with a gay partner"...



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-…

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Huckabee and our resident troll LC are once again demonstrating their willful ignorance regarding what's moral and ethical. It's not that they don't know better. Dan, I can't say it any better than you have. The only people who are undermining families are people who insist that there's only one type of family.
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What do some teachers say about how well children adopted by heterosexual parents do compared to the adoptive children of gay couples?
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Do some teachers take into account family income?
The private school educated trophy adopted kids of well off gay couples might outperform the average, just possibly...
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OK, so it seems like everyone is in agreement that some straight people are bad parents and that some gay people are bad parents. You've got some people here who say that straight parents are on average better parents than gay parents and while there isn't any objective evidence anywhere saying that's true let's just accept it for the sake of today's argument. The problem is that this is not a case of kids having the choice between being cared for by a good straight couple or a "not quite as good" gay couple. This is a choice of having the kids cared for by a "not quite as good" gay couple (again, just for the sake of this argument) and HAVING NO FUCKING PARENTS AT ALL!!

So, my question, that I know will be ignored by all of the anti-gay-adoption crowd, is this. Is it better for a child to live in an orphanage and/or bounce around from foster family to foster family OR for them to live with a "not quite as good" gay couple? I'm serious, I would really like to hear you explain this to me.
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@40 I'd rather be a trophy kid of some rich homo's going to a fancy private school than stuck in an orphanage going, occasionally, to some shitty inner city school. Which would you choose? Seems like you're implying that kids of rich parents do better in school and at the same time saying gays tend to have more money. Seems to me that if you're right then we should really start letting gays adopt for the good of the children. Thank you for your support of the cause.
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You make a good point.
Society should take measures to reduce the number of children born to parents who aren't ready to be parents and improve foster services.
The whole "Free Sex" and "Safe Sex" myths need to be exposed.
Pre/extra marital sex exacts a cruel toll from the children it produces.
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@12.

Gay does not = pedophile. Try again ignoramus...

Your argument would then infer that straight men couldn’t adopt because they would be too tempted to molest little girls.

So who is worthy of adopting?
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How many wealthy stable homosexual couples willing to adopt are we talking about?
We'll need some hard numbers before we can consider your proposal...
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Mike Huckabee went on The Daily Show and revealed that he didn't know what IVF was. He's a smug moron who believes that the world is 6,000 years old. Of course he's never adopted a child - he's pro-life!
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As with most politicians, Mike Huckabee has never loved anyone but Mike Huckabee. It's laughable, at best, to think he would have any knowledge of what it takes to be a parent. His opinion on this topic is worth about as much as donkey shit.

Don't forget the CEO of Wal-Mart signed the petition that placed this issue on the ballot. So, the next time you find yourself shopping in the shithole, better known as Wal-Mart, you are supporting jerk-offs like Mike Duke and Mike Huckabee.
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@45: Does it matter? If letting gays adopt kids will save children from being stuck in orphanages or foster care for the next decade or so of their lives, does it matter how many? Even if it only helps one kid, that is better than nothing.
If you actually cared about the children, you'd realize that.
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!!! you know what this all means? abstinence-only education is a gay plot to make teens have babies so gays can adopt them! Now if only I can get Glen Beck to scream/cry that on air.
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@49: See if you can involve the Hollywood Liberals and the Marxist Nazi Kenyans too. Ratings go ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
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What a sensible judge, I like her approach. That's the one in Florida, who ruled for the gay couple.

@1 Made me grin, bucking to be the new Swift?
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Root @ 41,
sorry to say it, but your simple question will never be answered by antigay adoption crowd. I've asked it a few times, often directed at a particular person- nothing. They can't openly admit their view :"children should remain orphans instead of being adopted by loving parents, yes, we hate gays that much"

Even LC, being sheer undiluted evil, has enough shame not to admit that is what "she" believes.
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Wow, what a dickhead.
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I despise our ex-Governor Shithead AKA Mike Huckabee. He couldn't find his own ass with both hands and radar. And he's fugly.
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I am reading for so long some of the nonsense posted that I could not resist the urge to answer.

@ 6, 12, 24, 26, 37, 39, 40, 43, 45 (I am really sorry if I missed anyone...)

I am really bored of having to deal every day with small, self-rightious, grumpy, anorgasmic, know-it-alls that have a banana for a brain. People arrogant enough to know what is the best for other people, people that think they own the world and they can decide for it. People stuck 'their' beliefs like a gum at the sole of a shoe; unable to read, listen or understand anything outside what government, religion and media spoon feeds them with.

These people say staff like: "We'll need some hard numbers before we can consider your proposal..." as if they belong to their own decision group and every one else is outside of it. @45 I hope you really did not mean it.

So addressing to those little self rightious people I described above and hoping that none of you belong to this category: Who gives you the right to consider anything fuckheads? Who do you think gave you the right to judge other people as peadophiles, perverts etc. especially when perversity is a result of society's inability to accept human's sexuality and it thrives behind closed doors and religious cycles.

Freaks.

For the record I am as straight as it goes.

P.S. I consider posts 12, 24, 37 to be offensive to gay people as they aim with selective examples to conclude that gay people do not qualify for parents because they are peadophiles; this is done by generalising and disregarding cases of straight peadophile/abusing parents while these cases are far more common. Therefore if you remove my post as offensive to those people then these posts should be removed as well as offensive to gay people.
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First of all, I am in full support of gay couples adopting children.

However, I do object to the assumption that unmarried straight people who accidentally get pregnant will become bad parents. I have several people in my family who are single (or were) single parents. Some of them are better parents than others, but that doesn't mean they don't love their kids. That doesn't mean that their children would be better off if they were adopted by a gay couple.

Supporters of gay rights resent the assumption that all gay parents are inferior to straight parents. I resent the assumption that all single parents are inferior to gay parents.
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Hmmm, good point. I would give anything to see him cringe to try to respond to such a statement in a debate.
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Can't believe Huckabee is doing so well in all kinds of different polls.

He's a douchebag. Not a malicious douchebag, but a douchebag nonetheless.

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