Just keep talkin', Ratzinger. By the time you're dead, you might have done enough damage that the only people left in the Catholic Church will be the pederasts.
What are the 13 coins supposed to stand for? I am really curious, because it doesn't ring any bells for me. I know that Judas was paid 30 silver coins to betray Jesus. That 30 pieces silver coins was the price of a slave. And that paying someone 30 pieces of silver was a day's wage. 30 silver coins was also used to symbolically represent the severing of a relationship in biblical times.
I'm sincerely curious about the 13 coins. Why would that number be meaningful? What will it remind them of?
Dan,
how dare you think that the standard the Catholic church cleaves to for everyone else could ever be less high than the one they hold for themselves! Boy that's rich! (as I wipe tears of laughter from mine eyes)
I believe Will is referring to an old Latin American Catholic tradition wherein a groom gives the bride 13 coins, representing Jesus and the 12 apostles, as a symbol of his trust in her fidelity.
Thank you. Is it safe to assume that Catholics world wide (or at least in North America) would know of this particular old Latin American tradition and thus it would be meaningful to them? I'm, then, presuming that the coins would serve to remind the church that it is not being a faithful bride of Christ? To remind the church that they must be faithful?
It is a kinder message than giving them 30 coins, which would serve to call the church on it's betrayal and symbolize a severing of relationship.
Yeah, we don't need the pope giving out advice on sexuality and relationships. I would rather drop a few coins in Dan for my advice. Not that I need any...
Do you think they empty out the collection plates and divide by 13 to see how many people are never letting them forget? Remembering back to my days as an altar boy (no bad touching, either -- I have to give the Archdiocese of Seattle that), we (or sometimes other members of the parish) went down the aisles with the collection baskets, we put all the loot in a lockbox which was counted by one of the parish officers (i.e., church ladies), who probably took it to the bank for deposit. Believe me, no one would have caught that bit of protest, least of all any priests -- they certainly never got involved in the business of filthy lucre.
Too bad we don't have a "record" of how many kids Dan's (writing about his) marriage has helped.
I'd dare say that the number is far greater than even Dan is aware of.
His books, in particular "The Kid" and "Commitment", have helped to validate for many couples that being gay doesn't mean that you can't be a parent. As a result, many (same-sex) couples have been empowered to open their hearts and homes to a child and build a family.
Having more loving, stable families to place kids is a good thing - not only for the kids but for society.
Not to mention that some of the kids that are adopted suffered abuse at the hands of their "opposite-sex" parents, some of whom have also used religion to justify their actions.
I'd rather a child go to a home with two dads or two moms, a home where that child will be loved, valued, and respected rather than be turned over to a couple comprised of a man and a woman with little regard of their suitablity or qualifications just because they are an "opposite-sex" pairing.
I'm just amazed that he considers these greater challenges than e.g. the Global North/South poverty divide, global warming and environmental degradation, fast food, alcohol and tobacco abuse, oil-dependence, or even the sex-scandals that he himself perpetuated and are now corroding the reputation of the Catholic Church even further (The Spanish Inquisition and the other smaller persecution movements that took place across Europe around the same time, tacit support of Nazism, and the purposeful campaign of misinformation about condom use in Africa have already eroded a lot of the faith people once had in the Church specifically, while scientific discovery continually reduces the arena-of-operation of religion in general). Even if I'm looking at things from the perspective of someone who is opposed to abortion and gay marriage, there are issues that are MUCH more pressing in terms of preserving the sanctity of life and Catholic social institutions.
Jesus is right now preparing the giant industrial-sized bar of soap with which he's going to wash out Ratzinger's lying mouth just as soon as this potty-mouth pope kicks off.
We should all lend a hand to secularism. The fact that Ratzi's church can no longer hold inquisitions is proof that secularism has had a civilizing influnce on the Catholic Church and on Christianity in general.
Every year the bigotry produces less and less support. The Pope can keep trying, but when it is Catholics that are undermining his message, it is not going to do much good.
http://www.wbur.org/2010/05/14/catholic-…
Never let them forget.
What are the 13 coins supposed to stand for? I am really curious, because it doesn't ring any bells for me. I know that Judas was paid 30 silver coins to betray Jesus. That 30 pieces silver coins was the price of a slave. And that paying someone 30 pieces of silver was a day's wage. 30 silver coins was also used to symbolically represent the severing of a relationship in biblical times.
I'm sincerely curious about the 13 coins. Why would that number be meaningful? What will it remind them of?
how dare you think that the standard the Catholic church cleaves to for everyone else could ever be less high than the one they hold for themselves! Boy that's rich! (as I wipe tears of laughter from mine eyes)
I believe Will is referring to an old Latin American Catholic tradition wherein a groom gives the bride 13 coins, representing Jesus and the 12 apostles, as a symbol of his trust in her fidelity.
That's probably why he's so obsessed with what everyone else is doing with theirs.
Chemobrain be damned. My mind was only firing on about 8 good neurons before it became chemically compromised. LOL
Thank you. Is it safe to assume that Catholics world wide (or at least in North America) would know of this particular old Latin American tradition and thus it would be meaningful to them? I'm, then, presuming that the coins would serve to remind the church that it is not being a faithful bride of Christ? To remind the church that they must be faithful?
It is a kinder message than giving them 30 coins, which would serve to call the church on it's betrayal and symbolize a severing of relationship.
"Chemobrain"? I hope you're okay. I'll be thinking about you.
Okay maybe not obsessed. But often curious.
Sphincter says no... (cough)
I'd dare say that the number is far greater than even Dan is aware of.
His books, in particular "The Kid" and "Commitment", have helped to validate for many couples that being gay doesn't mean that you can't be a parent. As a result, many (same-sex) couples have been empowered to open their hearts and homes to a child and build a family.
Having more loving, stable families to place kids is a good thing - not only for the kids but for society.
Not to mention that some of the kids that are adopted suffered abuse at the hands of their "opposite-sex" parents, some of whom have also used religion to justify their actions.
I'd rather a child go to a home with two dads or two moms, a home where that child will be loved, valued, and respected rather than be turned over to a couple comprised of a man and a woman with little regard of their suitablity or qualifications just because they are an "opposite-sex" pairing.
For the record: His church baptized your kid.
Just avoid paper bills.
Just sayin'.
Totally the moral highground. Reality-based thought created morality. Schizophrenia created The Church.
For those who plan to drop 13 or 30 dimes in the collection plate: JUST PUT THEM IN A ZIPLOC AND DROP THE WHOLE THING IN!!!
Mai winrar?
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