Immigration Rally: A Sign of Victory or Defeat?


Why do you embarrasingly earnest and nauseatingly naive white-guilt Seattle liberal progressives want MORE fat macho conservative big-truck-driving superstitious catholic anti-choice wife-beating dirty-daiper-littering ooompah-music-blasting Mexican rednecks in Seattle?
Seriously, I don't know what they were thinking. SPD's tactic was clearly to wait for them to go away which, by the way, is not a difficult tactic to foresee the police taking. Why this group didn't realize that just might happen is somewhat incredible.

They would have arrested you eventually, folks, but the SPD really isn't looking to get bad press right now, and for them, ICE and the city government, quick action at the cost of negative attention is a bad calculation.
One thing they might not have mentioned is that they blocked the lobby entrance/exit for many unrelated people. I have several friends who did not get to leave their building on their lunch break and had to eat chips from the vending machine.

Thanks a lot you self righteous asshole protesters. You just pissed off a bunch of people and after you didn't accomplish anything in a short time frame you headed out.
Tucson = TuCSon
not TuSCon
Hilary Stern, executive director of Casa Latina, said she volunteered to be arrested because she "looked forward to making a sacrifice and feeling, just for one night, what many people go through just for being in this country."

with liberal white Jews like Stern, it is always selfishly about their own feelings and getting everyone to notice how enlightened and progressive they are while they engage in their feel-good absolutely inconsequential do-gooder actions. Barf barf barf at their smarmy smugness.
@ Packateer - Oh bummer. They couldn't get lunch. And what about worker exploitation, separated families, and outdated unjust laws? Do you think your friends can put up with a bag 'o chips to think about them for a moment?

Great protests like these are how movements come alive, how change happens. It certainly isn't going to come from politicians. So cheers to the people who took action in their hands today and closed down the streets. That they got front page stories across the northwest and a lively discussion going where it was quiet before is one victory. But I'm sure they think - and I'd agree - that the real victory will come when the immigration laws are made right.

@ Lee - I think you're right - bad time for SPD to be seen arresting leaders of minority advocacy groups. But could make a great visual if they keep this up!
damn. Getting out-protested by the local cops. Que poca madre.
@7: This was not a great protest, this was a badly calculated sit-in that fizzled out when everyone ignored it. And that's what packateer's point is: it hassled people who weren't involved in any way for absolutely no gain to anyone.

I see you're going with the "it's a good protest if a starts a conversation!" canard, but you're incorrect. It's not a good protest if the conversation that follows it is people asking "Was that a protest?"
Will someone please explain to me how inconveniencing a few motorists until the police get annoyed enough to take you to the police station and then immediately release you on your own recognizance is considered striking a blow against injustice?

Serious question. What exactly is that supposed to accomplish? I fully agree with the protesters on the underlying issues, but I'm sick and tired of the lame-ass tactics.

If you really think serious criminal activity is the solution, go burn something (and be prepared to suffer the legal consequences). If you think minor trespass is the solution, at least do it in front of something appropriately symbolic, like maybe whenever the Arizona Diamondback play the Mariners. If you think education is the solution, then do the fucking-hard work of talking to a million uninformed people, one by one, to explain the issue.
Better idea: bunch of hispanic folks show up and say they're undocumented, have ICE process them.

Otherwise you're just standing in an intersection until you get bored.
legal "council"

I dunno if that was a quote from a press release or not, but if not, Cienna needs to take some remedial English as that's at least the third obvious error in the past couple of days

or maybe she didn't graduate from high school like Dominic
They should take a tip from the protest guys on Mr. Show
@7 What about 'em? Because they broke a law, other people have to suffer?
During the civil rights era, protestors didn't just hang out in their hometowns with their signs and chants. They went to the source of the problem: Mississippi, Alabama etc. Arizona is where the problem is. Going there and stirring up shit would definitely make other states rethink their immigration policies.

Arizona Summer! (without irony!)
What's the point of arresting them?

It's not like we can afford to pay for the cops and prisons we have already ...

Now, if they wanted to arrest the CEOs and COOs of the firms that hire illegal workers, I'm all for frog-marching those guys in cuffs to jail and forgetting the keys.

deport the illegals, arrest the people who hired them, increase legal immigration quotas
I'm ok with 2 and 3. But we need to shift the quotas to skills-based ones, not the Only-Whites-Need-Apply rules we use right now.
@10 valid question. i would imagine that they were trying to confront the public in a direct way. check. getting media attention so that their message gets out. check. in fact, it's the lead story on every TV and radio site in Seattle, plus in the Times. they want to put the heat on politicians, not just thru letters and calls. check. you can bet that senators across the country are paying attention to coordinated actions like this. all in a non-violent way. civil disobedience. not burning stuff. not sure how that would help change the law.

@9 yeah, it shouldn't stop at just a conversation which is why you inconvenience people. and take to the streets. i'm sure they pissed off some and fascinated others. and if you watched the video from other sites and saw that 200 people were stuffed into the lobby of a skyscraper singing and chanting, the people caught up in it were not asking 'is that a protest?'
@15 you're exactly right! that's why this campaign is coordinated and happening all over the country. and why people are heading to Arizona on May 29 to take the fight right to the lawmakers who passed that odious bill -

don't they know? mexicans are immune to our laws they can come in illegally and not get arrested and deal drugs and not get arrested and murder ranchers and not get arrested and sit in the middle of the fucking street and not get arrested god I hope I get to be a mexican in my next life....
ICE should round up all those illegals and send them back to where they came from!

Stupid protesters demanding amnesty. It figures that the Democrat Party wants to actually give it to them.

Viva Joe Arpaio!!!


Hey libtards what do most of the people pictured at the WSP's Most Wanted site have in common? Why do you naive white-guilt pukes want EVEN MORE MEXICAN REDNECKS around here?

21 of the 27 people currently on the Washington State Patrol's Most Wanted list are Mexcrement/Latrinos.
EDMONDS, Wash. – The KING 5 Investigators have learned that an illegal immigrant accused of raping a woman in Edmonds Sunday has been deported nine times. That's much more than previously reported.

Immigrations and Customs Enforcement won't comment on the case of Jose Lopez Madrigal. But KING 5 got the information through confidential sources and documents.

Larry Klein was the man who heard the alleged victim's cries for help. Police say the suspect pulled the woman off the street to a dumpster and raped her.

"I could see the back of his head. I could see his pants were down. I could see her lying on the ground. I could hear her crying, but I couldn't really see her face," said Klein.

Klein called police, who quickly arrested the suspect. But learning his identity took much longer because of some 30 aliases. It was only through fingerprints that they identified him as Madrigal, a Mexican citizen.

Madrigal's arrest and immigration record includes a staggering number of contacts with law enforcement since 1989. That's the year he was convicted of theft using a firearm in California. 

He was deported a couple of times after that. Then in 1999, he was arrested for drug sales in both San Diego and San Francisco. Records show that he was deported three times that year between April and August.

He was arrested for drugs again in Stockton, Calif. in 2000. In 2002, he pleaded to third degree sexual assault in Denver. Later that year, he was deported again. And in 2003, records show he was deported three more times.

People who live near the scene of Sunday's alleged rape wonder how it could keep happening.

"Makes you wonder, what are we doing wrong? How is he getting back in here?" said Kirby Aumick.

"It’s troubling. I mean, if this man should not have been in this country, he should have been behind bars then, really, this is a senseless tragedy," said Klein.

According to our sources, Madrigal's last contact before Sunday was around 2003. So, it's not clear how much of that time Madrigal was in this country.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement has refused to comment on the case which started making national headlines when it was learned that Madrigal had been deported several times prior to the Edmonds case.
In reviewing records and talking with confidential sources, the KING 5 Investigators learned just how extensive Madrigal’s immigration and arrest record is.
They found he was first deported in California in 1989 and since then he’s returned from his Mexican homeland and been arrested for drug crimes, a sex assault in Colorado and other offenses.
One criminal justice source says Madrigal is a "poster boy" for the federal governments ineffectiveness at keeping the most serious "criminal aliens" – illegals who commit crimes – out of the  United States.