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The sign says "certified organic" not "100% certified organic."
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I'm sitting in Chipotle at Kent Station eating a shredded beef burrito.

Bad synthesizer bands are playing.

The tables are all aluminum and wood.

Mexi-girls man the line and seem agitated and are pushing a lot of carts around the soda machine.

This is my life today.
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i kinda wanna eat there less now, after reading the open letter for some reason.
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That photo doesn't disprove Bill the Butcher's defense. The sign doesn't say "100%" anywhere. It represents the product as possibly being organic, but not which product. I'd say they covered their asses by not being overly specific.
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I'd say they shouldnt have brought attention at all to it unless it WAS 100 percent. why bother if its not? i'd rather eat somewhere completely honest upfront and grumpily anti-organic and old school than a place that drops a few key phrases like "sustainable" in order to gain some customers.
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HINT: Either way, you're still eating slaughtered corpses.
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I think the problem is that they were purposely trying to be vague. I mean you go to QFC and buy beef and the package says organic and you know it is organic. No questions. If I went to a place that had organic as one of their selling points, I wouldn't want to be confused. I would want to know what was organic or not. They should have been honest from day one, especially, if they want to tell you your chicken's whole life story in the future. Seems like a little organic sign would be clear and simple.

I am glad that the stranger called them out. Who else has time to figure it out. But is Bill the Butcher going to be better than random meet at Trader Joes, probably.

When I say that I am Asian, I don't need to put 100% percent before it to prove it. They were trying to get away with something. 100% is just a cop out.
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It represents the product as possibly being organic, but not which product. I'd say they covered their asses by not being overly specific.

This is a brilliant business plan. I'm going to open a pharmacy and hang a sign that says "FDA approved" over the medicine shelves. Of course, most of the "medicines" will merely be capsules filled with melamine powder. But my ass will be covered, because I never promised the customers that any specific medicine was FDA approved. As Lloyd Blankfein would probably say, caveat emptor!
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It doesn't disprove Bill the Butcher's defense if you're a wienie lawyer. If you're just a regular person who wants to buy some meat without having to worry about being mislead, then it looks pretty bad. Maybe not exactly lying, but close enough. If you're going to represent yourself as being a fancy place that cares about where the meat comes from, then scrupulous honesty is really your best policy, not weaselly vagueness.
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Higher profit margins through semantic pedantry. Thank Greenspan for the Oxford comma!

Seriously, this kind of letter-of-the-law, "That's only what you THOUGHT we said" technically-not-lying is just intolerable. Fuck these weaselly shitheads.
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And BP is on the forefront* of environmental responsibility*.

*please see terms & conditions
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The terms Organic, Natural, and Sustainable aren't defined by the FDA to mean anything. "Certified Organic" means certified organic by FDA rules/laws. The rest are advertising terms.

I'm curious what the FDA process is for validating that food labeled as "Certified Organic". Are there "certified organic" inspectors? They could all be lying.

@8, go ahead and open that pharmacy. Nutritional supplements and vitamins aren't considered "food", so the FDA doesn't actually require that they contain what the packages say they contain. Your ass is already covered. Fill capsules with dirt and rake in the $$$.

Buy beef directly from a local farm if you care what you're getting and who is getting your money.
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“Organic and natural, grass fed and local” to me, means all four of those at once. At worst, either both of the first two or both of the second two. Perhaps what was meant was "Organic or natural or grass-fed or local."
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Balderdash-Right on! BTB is trying to take advantage of its customers with this kind of behavior. I fell for it one time, before the Stranger's excellent article. But even that one time, I was confused by a response I got about a product. A response from the man himself at the Wville store. Now I know it wasn't me, it was him. And I think it was him being deliberately obscure. Well, my $$ will be going elsewhere. I hope the organic and/or small sustainable focused farms in this state shun this bastard. And, Stranger reporter, is there some fraud going on here? I mean letter-of-the-law fraud? That can be investigated by, I don't know, the AG's office?
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@4 I would prefer not having to parse the language of the claims made by my butcher. Once you get to the point of "well we didn't say 100%" you've lost me as a customer.

I went in to the Madison Park store about a week before the story broke and got some tasty New Yorks. Since then I have been waiting for them to improve and they haven't. I am not even all that concerned about whether it is organic or not, but I sure as hell don't like to be tricked.

So go fuck yourself Bill.
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It's like Twelve Baskets Catering, who claims to buy locally grown and harvested (hello Sysco and FSA?) and mill their own organic flour (for their FSA-made desserts?) - all lies, trying to make a buck by fooling consumers. Funny that the churchy people who run the place have no qualms about lying to their customers.
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See rowefarms.ca or freshfromthefarm.ca for how this should be done. Neither uses the term "organic" but both have a list of minimum standards their suppliers need to adhere to in order to be sold there, and both have maps with names/locations of farms at their physical stores.
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#4, if you don't say WHICH is certified organic, you're kind of implicitly saying that it's ALL certified organic, no?

Nice follow up to their response. It's really pointless to showcase sources if they aren't going to showcase ALL of them or at least tell you which meat comes from the sources that they showcased.
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I think this level of sniping is unnecessary. It's clear what they want to do and be, it's clear they're working towards that, and all you're doing is giving them shit while they try to get there. This is classic leftist behavior: scream and rant at our closest allies instead of our actual enemies. I'll happily shop at Bill the Butcher.
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@19: "I think this level of sniping is unnecessary. It's clear what they want to do and be"

Yes, they want to market their products as appealing to specific virtues without actually being responsible for providing those virtues through the process of paying for them.

But they've apparently figured out that's a bad idea.

Honestly, JST, the Stranger is trying to hold a local business that alleges a particular worldview to the standards that the business is promulgating. Seems like a consumer reporting service to me.
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#19, "It's clear what they want to do and be, it's clear they're working towards that"

Yeah, and their "ground beef shoulder" is actually 50% anus. But it's ok, because they *want* it to be 100% beef shoulder, and they're working towards it.

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Typical leftists, demanding actual transparency and accountability instead of just a vague desire for those things.
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Surely this is the most pressing news story of the year. Thanks for the crack expose!
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Organic Fetishistas are full of 100% certified organic, natural, grass fed, local Shit.
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Buffoony Jean, you're eating dead animals. As in slaughtered, dead, rotting flesh. The fact that you're pitching a hissy fit over the "organic" state of this dead flesh is really fucking hilarious. Keep it up, girl. It's good comedy.
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I shopped at the Madison Valley location of Bill the Butcher shortly after they opened and was told all the beef was organic and grass fed, though the butcher did acknowledge that it was not necessarily grass finished. With that, however, I was assured that none of the animals were fed meat corn, but rather organic mixed grains.

I appreciate the concept but there is no excuse for deceiving your customers with outright lies. What kind of "system" do you need to "track" local meat? It's all bullshit to me, and I'm not going back.
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"I think this level of sniping is unnecessary. It's clear what they want to do and be, it's clear they're working towards that, and all you're doing is giving them shit while they try to get there. This is classic leftist behavior: scream and rant at our closest allies instead of our actual enemies. I'll happily shop at Bill the Butcher."

You are quite possibly insane, or at the very least a shill.
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What a scam, has anybody turned this guy into the Washington State Organic Program for labelling fraud?
"The WSDA Organic Food Program's mission is to protect consumers and support the development of the organic industry by ensuring the integrity of organic products."
For more information, e-mail us or call (360) 902-1805.
organic@agr.wa.gov
Martin Beagle Organic Program Manager 360-902-1924
Brenda Book Organic Certification Manager 360-902-2090
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The solution is simple: Shop at places that DO identify where their product is from. There are alternatives to BTB. Rain Shadow Meats, for one.
30
There's always Organic To Go whose bread products come from Franz.

Franz makes great products with no high fructose corn syrup but they don't make anything ORGANIC.

Get over it people, 95% of places that claim to be organic are pulling the same punches. Oh, that and there is little scientific evidence that eating organic is any healthier.

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I am disgusted by Bill the Butcher's shameless deceit and trickery. We should have seen it coming when a chain of 3 to 5 stores opened up in a short time frame, and yet its name suggests some guy in overalls who's just your friendly neighborhood butcher. Right.

I will never step foot in that store again, and will personally see to it that everyone I know hears about their false claims and back-peddling.
32
Last I heard, calling something organic, when it is not, is illegal. Even if you don't add the words certified - did something change with the federal law??
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I think The Stranger's writers/editors would be more effective at getting to the truth with a well-rounded report if they also investigated what the terms "Organic" and "Natural" mean & whether it's possible that Bill The Butcher is doing the right thing or not. No argument that their employees should be better trained about what to call certified organic. From my reading of Michael Pollan and Joel Salatin's books, I learned that the backers of "Certified Organic" aren't necessarily looking out for what's truly best for consumers but more for a way to distinguish their products with a label that allows them to charge more. I think you'll find that the very best meat, poultry, eggs and vegetables you can buy aren't going to be labeled "Certified Organic". But you will find that *most* certified organic stuff out there comes from the industrial organic world which has manipulated the rules for their benefit.
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Good Job Stranger writers! Way to show how a butcher fails to use a comma. Whats next an article about how, despite Everyday Music's signs you failed to find one band that performs Rock Pop Soul Jazz Techno Rap Classical Metal Folk Country?
35
Bill,
If transparency is of such high regard, why was it when the state told you that you were violating smoked meat processing restrictions, your comment to me was that "we'll just do it on the week-ends when there are no inspectors out working"? I have had so many problems with the Woodinville store. Yes, most of them "growing pain" related. But I'm over it. The quality of product HAS gone down since opening, and I have grown weary of paying for your mistakes and then not having quality stand up...
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I was shocked when I read in the Bill the Butcher shop who some of the "local producers" are who meet their high standards. I personally know some of these producers and it is a big stretch to claim that any meat from these producers meets their own "Bill the Butcher Natural" meat specification. While it could be very true that most of the producers listed in book available at the local shops are legit (I know some that are) and meet the Bill the Butcher Natural specification it is very clear that not all the producers who are listed meet this.

Their is a very big difference in raising livestock in a sustainable model that provides care, compassion and a stress free life to a model in which livestock are raised in confinement or crowed areas who are sick, fed anything but fresh grass or a good quality forage, not checked up on regularly, have no clean place to lie down or any option of drinking fresh clean water, who have been brought into the area on a high stress trip for a short time in a overcrowded trailer driven from near by states where they have been purchased as culls at non local farms our even worse livestock auction houses.

We should ask Bill about his state of the art tracking system. Is it one that insures that while the animal is alive it is properly cared for? How can we be assured that the meat we are buying at his local shops is one that is raised in a stress free sustainable model.
37
What wholesale house are they really buying thier meat from ? maybe the same one QFC uses
Would be interesting if that farmer was a large or small wholesaler
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Wish I had seen this article earlier. I ordered a Thanksgiving turkey from them earlier in November. For $60 (pre-paid) I was told it would be a locally produced bird from Carnation WA. I was even shown the brochure from the farm that was supposedly supplying it. I picked up the bird late last week, got it home and it's from Diestel Farms in CA. The Diestel brand is sold by Whole Foods for about $2.50 a pound so my $60 "local" turkey would have cost $30 at Whole Foods. I called Bill the Butcher (Madison location) and was told there was misinformation from their main office; they were surprised when they got the birds as well. Fine, but the right business thing to do would be to fess up to their customers at delivery and offer them a refund, not hand them a pre-bagged bird so they can find out when they get it home. What a scam!

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