Interracial marriage is legal?

Are you sure?

Now THAT is called being a cuntwhorebitch, and a hypocritical one at that. She and Loveschild should get jackets.

Dammit bobby.

Lingle must be gunning for some federal office-there was no reason to veto this on her way out this year.

Also, Hawaiians are some of the most god-damned morally confusing people I've ever met. Even the nicest old aunties have really been indoctrinated by the churches here.

You get vitriol towards gays worthy of the most homophobic with a strange mix of tolerance about stuff that would make a southern baptist shudder.

And just in case her decision alone didn't prove her to be enough of a cunt, she "invited" (read: demanded the presence of) the Hawaii Supreme Court justice who originally ruled in favor of marriage equality back in 1993 to be present today while she figuratively spat in his face with her announcement.

C'mon guys, give her a break. After all, Linda Lingle's been married and divorced twice. So she obviously knows how to protect marriage.

I thought she was one ugly bitch on the outside but apparently the fug goes all the way through.

Motherfuck.

@4, or gunning for a basic-cable pundit gig, perhaps.

No need for an organized boycott (which would probably flood the place with baptists and unrepentant mormons anyway). Gays should just stay away until the situation changes.

@6, It must have been really difficult for her to stay married to a man, since she's a lesbian. I wonder what her single female "housemate" thinks about all of this.

It's time to out her now.

My brain hurts.

@12, brilliant if you could get Anderson Cooper to put his staff to work on outing her - so long as he uses the occasion to come out himself. PR double whammy. He'd be instantly edgy again.

So, what is the rationale for this particular decision being more appropriately made at the ballot box than in the legislature? I mean, the legislature makes all kinds of decisions about government. Should every single decision be taken to the ballot box (are we rejecting the idea of a representative democracy now?)? If not, why some decisions vs. others?

I literally cannot think of a good reason why this should go to the people where other decisions should not. Someone could say "well, we're making the decision to bestow certain societal benefits on a group of people, so society should have a say." But, then, wouldn't any policies/laws related to immigration/citizenship also need to be voted on?

I just can't see how one can say that issues related to civil unions or same-sex marriage are exempt from the principles of representative democracy (or, I guess more precisely, of a constitutional republic).

Lingles always been a spineless shill for the GOP. I was kidding myself thinking shed do anything that required an ounce of guts. Good riddance to her.

So that was pretty lame, and effed up.

@15, Adding on to that argument, I'd like to say that the governor's reasoning is faulty because of the personal nature of marriages. Saying that civil unions and marriage rights are an issue that requires "the reflection, collective wisdom, and consent of the people", doesn't make any sense since marriages are an intensely personal thing. I don't see why the consent of society is required for two people. You don't exactly go around asking random people on the street if it's alright that you get married, so saying that only society's (and not judge's and legistlator's) consent for marriage rights can be valid is basically asking society as a whole to encroach on people's personal lives.

Now I'm depressed. And, those quotes reflect poorly upon her intelligence and ability to understand representative democracy.

Cheer up, Kim. We know it's two steps forward, one step back. Has been and always will be. Just remember, 2 minus 1 still equals plus 1.

Every headline-grabber like this, pricks the conscience of many who were on the fence or who have never given it a moment's serious thought.

Good point, rob! And look on the bright side, Kim - soon she'll be out of government (and onto a regular Fox News pundit gig I bet, but oh well).

" I rise today in support of Bill C-38, the Civil Marriage Act. I rise in support of a Canada in which liberties are safeguarded, rights are protected and the people of this land are treated as equals under the law....some have counseled the government to extend to gays and lesbians the right to "civil union." This would give same-sex couples many of the rights of a wedded couple, but their relationships would not legally be considered marriage. In other words, they would be equal, but not quite as equal as the rest of Canadians. Mr. Speaker, the courts have clearly and consistently ruled that this option would offend the equality provisions of the Charter. For instance, the British Columbia Court of Appeal stated that, and I quote "Marriage is the only road to true equality for same-sex couples. Any other form of recognition of same-sex relationships ...falls short of true equality.".....For a prime minister to use the powers of his office to explicitly deny rather than affirm a right enshrined under the Charter would serve as a signal to all minorities that no longer can they look to the nation's leader and to the nation's Constitution for protection, for security, for the guarantee of their freedoms. We would risk becoming a country in which the defence of rights is weighed, calculated and debated based on electoral or other considerations."
---Address by Prime Minister Paul Martin on Bill C-38
(The Civil Marriage Act)
February 16, 2005
House of Commons, Canada

Worked okay for us, Obama should grow a pair and give it a try.

@20 I hope you're right Rob. I don't have nearly that kind of faith in the fencesitters. Every time I see the phrase "collective wisdom of the people," I tend to read it as "collective selfishness/prejudice/bigotry/just-plain-meanness of the people." That's why I thought we had things like legislatures and courts, people chosen to rise above the pettiness of the "people." Talk about profiles in cowardice, Lingle's got a spot in that book.

Canuck, kind of chilling for me to read, for it's as though Martin's speechwriters were glancing south with that last sentence, which could as well read "we would risk becoming [the United States] in which the defense of rights is weighed, calculated and debated based on electoral or other considerations."

This underscores the fact that Republicans can't be trusted with the governor's office of any state--even a green liberal paradise like HI. When push comes to shove there is no such thing as a gay friendly Republican. From Gov. S. in CA now to Gov L in HI, their actions speak louder than words. Remember that when "moderates" and "independents" claim to be impressed with Rob McKenna's stance on "social issues."

The news from Argentina is no better.

Yeah Gus, it's truly an odd feeling to see what's happening in the States now (grew up there), to see how the conservatives and religious right have managed to completely dominate with their fear-mongering. It was so cool when Paul Martin did that, just basically ignored the one or two premiers who tried to be shit-disturbers and went ahead with it. When the appalling Stephen Harper suggested dredging up the debate again, he was told loud and clear to SIT down. It's so frustrating to live in a country where things work (basically) you know, the health care, the schools, fairly low crime, and it's like the US just doesn't acknowledge it, you just want to collectively shake the US bigots. We rent out a cabin, and it's being used this weekend by two women who are getting married, and I just keep thinking about them while reading this, it's just such a non-issue here. My daughter, who is obsessed with all things wedding, just said, "well, I hope they both get to wear a dress." (Clearly all that matters to her!)

I know. It pisses me off, too.

Who is really surprised that this happened?

that's all!!!

On a lighter note, have discovered Dan's potential new celebrity crush while attending the 9th circle of hell, aka the new Twilight movie. He appears to have been newly minted at the lithe, blondish, big-mouthed man-child factory along with the rest...Xavier Samuel:
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/…

Aww Canuck your daughter sounds sweet. I am absolutely terrified by the religious right and you are making canada sound pret-ty good...

Come on up any time, yourmom! Although you may have to change your name to "your MUM"....Except for the occasional July snowstorm, and cougars in our back yard, it's just about perfect. And FYI, when you get here, they aren't called "donut holes," they're called "Tim Bits"...just want to give you the really important info...

Oh well done, Canuck!

And yeah, the moms of my favorite godson EVER took him to Hawaii this week. They'll get to read the paper in the morning and go wha??

That's what Dan wrote about in his book, Gus, how they had to turn off the radio because of some bile-spewing republican saying awful things, and their sweet kid sat they eating cheerios in his super-hero PJs, hopefully oblivious. For a group of people who claim to like kids, conservatives have a pretty weird way of expressing it.

Sigh....by this logic, non-white marriages to "whites" would not be allowed, woman would not vote and would be considered their husbands' property, and slaves would still be picking the tobacco and cotton in the South...

Breathtakingly disappointing. Since when are CIVIL RIGHTS decided by "the tyranny of the majority" that the Constitution guarantees protection from (has anyone read the 14th amendment recently?)... When does that protection kick in for us?

Oh, sorry, I'm repeating every fucking thing that has been said since this battle started. It's an argument a 4th grader could understand!

I'm sorry, I just don't get it. What part of "equal" don't they GET????

She thinks that this should be decided by the people of Hawaii... kind of ironic since I don't recall the people of Hawaii being consulted and having a say when the USA threatened their Queen and stole their land!

I'm not gay, but I want to marry True Beauty's Carson Kressley:

http://abc.go.com/watch/true-beauty/SH55…

Well, they'd really like to charge the gays more taxes, but they probably couldn't get away with that.

She waits for the big, dramatic LAST FUCKING MINUTE to make her announcement so she'd know that gays in 50 states were watching their Twitter feeds and then...

KABLOOEY!!!! Hits us all right in the kisser with "NO QUEERS ALLOWED"!

I'm just really sick of our relationships being a political issue. Sigh...

@42: Poor poor anti-democratic black people, not wanting to let the people vote on whether or not to give them equal rights...
Face it, Alleged, the people get to vote on issues of policy. They do NOT have the power to unjustly take rights away from others simply by virtue of their numbers; that's the kind of thing that happens in Fascist states.
By the way, I'm just tickled pink at the irony of you posting under the name "PowerToThePeople-DeathToTyrants!" while advocating the tyrannical denial of basic human rights to a minority.