Blogs Jul 25, 2010 at 3:41 pm

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1
Just about as ludicrous as any other religion. To quote another favorite South Park ep:

"Joseph Smith was called a prophet
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

He found the stones and golden plates
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Even though nobody else ever saw them
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

And that's how the Book of Mormon was written
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb."
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It figures deluded, mentally disordered people are against psychiatry. It's like Christians against evolution. It proves them and their religion wrong. But to claim they are a hero of civil rights?!? That's just bullshit!
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Meh--Scientologists are lightweights. You're not a real religion until you've had a crusade, a jihad, or at least an inquisition.
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Well, at least you know who's on their payroll now.
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I don't want to get into the argument about which religion is wackier than the other, but I see very few other churches with busloads of seemingly dazed people getting off the bus and walking in a straight line to go somewhere. Seriously...like they're programmed.

And while the Mormons own a lot (and I mean a lot), the Scientologists have pretty much bought up Hollywood (the town - not necessarily the institution...yet). Every office building and old mansion that has come on to the market for the last ten to fifteen years has been snatched up (sometimes using disguised proxies). I find it just a little scary.

I believe, I guess, everyone has a right to believe whatever they may about the supernatural or divinity, I get a little uncomfortable when those beliefs create some type of plan to alter the world via control. I also get pretty pissed when they use their assets to promote their political agenda.

I also hate seeing these organizations amassing great, unbelievable fortunes tax-free - and that includes the Catholic church (although their prosperity seems to be in decline...maybe not). Anybody can call themselves a religion, right? With just a bit of paperwork?

In short, pretty fucking scary business these Scientologists - and I'm outraged that they attracted public officials to their opening considering the controversy. I remember about ten years ago, the Scientology Center on Third Ave. was my district's polling place, but only once. I complained to King County Elections after I discovered what the location was, and Mine must not have been the only complaint because the polling place was changed by the next election. I was pissed that something as sacred as voting was placed in the same house as where the Scientologists do their little voodoo three-hundred dollar personality tests.

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Justice Jim Johnson is a real piece of work, no?
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What a travesty--next thing you know, politicians will start saying nice things about Buddhists and Hindus.

If you want politicians who are willing to attack religions, just look to Sarah Palin and her friends as they condemn Muslims. Does that make you happier than spouting banal approval of whatever religion is practiced by more than three voters?
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sorry Fr0zt Scientology is about an order of magnitude wackier than most other religions

which is why a great many tolerant Western nations don't even recognize it as one
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They are the representatives of all of Washington's citizens even the stupid, brainwashed, and insane ones.

That being said:

"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." L Ron Hubbard at the Eastern Science Fiction Association Nov 7 1948
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Religions don't hide the truth from you and make you pay to find out. That's pretty much the opposite of religion.
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a) mormons don't use the cross. They view it as a murder weapon, not something to be celebrated. They're all about the rising, not the dying. or so they say. (they like the CTR rings instead)

b) I'm reading about the Son of Sam stuff right now. And whoever says scientology is innocent, wtf, people?! Son of Sam came from the Process, which is all an offshoot of Scientiology. Christ and devil as one, sinning and glory as one.

c) it's religion. it's fucked up.
12
Sanders joined Jim Johnson's homophobic concurrence that denied marriage rights to gay and lesbian washingtonians. He should have amended his remarks to say that he has worked with the awful Scientologists "Against Human Rights" for the last 35 years.
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Were Greg and Sharon Nickels there? his brother is a big muckety muck with the church.
14
...a pain in the ass for the rest of us!
15
Google Lisa McPherson

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/
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So other than all of the "scary" things they do, like buying land, and marching in straight lines, and filling the heads of their followers with utter bullshit, I take it that nobody can think of any actual harm the Scientologists have done? Because if you want me to get pissed off at a particular religion, you're going to need to show me they're committing crimes, and that those crimes are exceptional in comparison to what the other religions are up do. Lies, sex abuse, fleecing their congregations, in bed with dirty politicians... is that all you've got? Sounds like run of the mill churchyness to me.
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@16 This should about sum it up for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology…

I mean, does stealing files from government buildings count? (Operation Snow White) How about denying mental health care to a violent paranoid schizophrenic who then stabs his mother 77 times? (Jeremy Perkins http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins…)

Scientology is a filthy money-making enterprise. I mean, I am super tolerant of most religions, as I'm a member of a non-mainstream religion, but it's really just a fucking pyramid scheme, and if you ever say anything negative about them, they will slap you with a lawsuit so quick your head will spin.

Even Catholicism isn't that bad... Well, I would guess, anyway.
18
So, they get the cross, but you guys have to give back *God's* rainbow? How does that work??
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in addition to all that elenchos they also are the most lawsuit-happy organization on Earth (no mean feat) and routinely hire P.I.'s to shadow and harass their critics

also google Operation Snow White, it was the largest penetration of the US Government in history
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edit fuck beaten
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Well, you have to hand it to them about their Photoshop skills. You can't see any of torches, pitchforks or tire irons in that picture.
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@ 19

Great minds think alike. ;)
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BTW, Dan, have been meaning to mention the great rendition of The Last Supper in the "private" dining area of Sip (in that new skinny condo building across from the Central Library downtown). Check it out; you'll be amused.
24
......Sooooooo forced abortions are within the rubric of "human rights" advocacy now? This dude's irony-o-meter must be seriously burned out if he can congratulate the Church of Scientology for abolishing "coercive practices" with a straight face.
25
Watch out Dan, they might sue you. O_O
26
Huh.

I take it the record of the Roman Catholic Church is not that widely known, if the Scicentologists are considered worse because they stole some documents and kept people from getting decent medical care. The Catholics and the Christian Scientists were getting away with killing sick people using voodoo in place of medicine for years before anyone heard of Scientology.

What else you got?
27
Holy shit, how come I've never heard of the Sea Organization until now? Is this for real?

From Wikipedia:
Around 1967 Hubbard formed the religious order known as the "Sea Organization" or "Sea Org", with titles and uniforms. The Sea Org subsequently became the management group within Hubbard's Scientology empire. He was attended by "Commodore's Messengers"; teenage girls who performed various tasks for him, such as fixing his shower, dressing him, and catching the ash from his cigarettes. He had frequent screaming tantrums and instituted harsh punishments such as being confined to the ship's dirty chain-locker for days or weeks at a time, or being bound, blindfolded, and thrown overboard. Some of these punishments were applied to children as well as to adults.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubb…
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So, @26, you're saying we ought to give Scientology a chance to be real fucked-up assholes like the big boys, before we complain? I didn't realize there was a threshold value to fucked-upped-ness which had to be crossed before one could call bullshit on a religious organization; you seem to think that Elron's crap doesn't rise to that level. I guess they're more like just, what, nuisances? Like we should just try to get them to pick up the crap their dog leaves on our collective lawn?

Really. I want to know. It just sounds like you're saying that because there are worse people in the world, we should just let everyone who isn't the worst fucker in the world slide, because, hey, they could be worse.
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http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
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It's not so much the Christian cross as the Crowleyan cross, the beast 666.
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@26 "if the Scicentologists are considered worse because they stole some documents and kept people from getting decent medical care."

Forced abortions, forced labor camps, murder, infiltrating all levels of government, fucking up our media and conflating themselves with mainstream faiths.

Besides, "better than" or "worse than" is dumb because it assumes that one is ok and one isn't.
32
Here's a first-hand account by a former member.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf…
33
Hope this means the whackjob who keeps putting up the "Psychology is Murder" signs on the Queen Ann pedestrian crosswalk above Aurora will move to downtown.
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Oh, Catholics certainly are crazy. No argument there. But they do on occasion actually help people with homeless shelters, etc. Scientologists have never done a damn thing to help anyone else. It's all a big show. Hell, I don't even think that Scientologists themselves actually believe half of what they are saying.

I agree with @31 though. Better or worse is probably a pointless argument. They are both fucking horrible.
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Anyone on this comment thread who claims that Scientology doesn't or hasn't harmed anyone obviously hasn't done their homework... Educate yourself before you make claims - it'll keep you from looking like an ignorant ass.
36
L. Ron Hubbard hated the gays. That is, until he figured out that their money was as good as anyone else's.
37
Here's my favorite Scientology-is-nutso website:

http://www.clambake.org/
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I guess the thing for me is that I'm suspicious of any religion that doesn't explain itself. You get Cruise or Travolta or any Hollywood type on Oprah and they NEVER say what it is or why they joined. They just look pleased with themselves.

I also don't get a religion that you have to pay money for in order to understand it fully. Apparently there are a lot of in-depth classes that cost thousands of dollars to attend.

Me? Not much for religion. I remember a flyer on a a post in San Francisco that had a picture of the Pope, the Ayatollah and Jerry Falwell (this was the '80s) and the caption was "If God is so great, why does He have spokemen like these?"

If Scientology is so great, why are they so secretive?
39
The South Park episode may have been funny and fairly accurate, however it was missing a few details which this funnier (yeah, that's hard to believe) yet vastly informative video covers:
http://www.zipperfish.com/zf-toons/yaafm…
40
Christianity stole the symbol of the cross... it dates back long before jeebus.
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Having been part of anti-Scientology protests, I hasten to remind everyone in this thread they are a CULT not a religion. Having met an ex-scientologist, the abuse he went through was staggering in his quest to leave the church.

www.xenu.net aka Clambake - be informed.
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Don't bother refuting Elenchos any further. He shot his mouth off about a topic he knows nothing about, then when he was embarrassed with facts that he was too lazy to google, he tried to shrug his way out of it. Hardly a rare occurrence.
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@21
You beat me to it. But what you came up with was way better.
44
It's not downtown, it's on lower Queen Anne. 3rd and Harrison.
45
They need their tax exemption revoked. They give zero back to the communities they leech off of. I'd like to see a legal team, or a Justice Department, with the balls to actually take them on.
46
Wow an article of hate. I went inside that new Scientology building. I thought it was nice and offered some good stuff. So, maybe some of you need to get of the Hate Rhetoric wagon, and explore it for yourselves.
47
There's a gigantic Last Supper mural in Dublin, with a male and female people of many races. As far as I know, there weren't any massive protests, and it's been up for about six years now.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2262/2156…
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@28

Your reading comprehension just sucks, pal. You say you really want to know what I'm saying, but if that were true you would simply read what I wrote without running off frothing at the mouth and pounding away at your keyboard. Read, slowly, what I posted. Still confused? Well, maybe it's simply too hard for you. Go read something easier.

But forget about what you think I am saying or not saying. I'm curious to learn how "calling bullshit" on Scientology is going to prevent them from becoming like the "big boys".
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In a round-about way, the cross is a perfect symbol for the church of scientology. It was obviously chosen in order to "legitimize" the image of the church and to deceive the ignorant into seeing it as a not-too-scary alternative to your average American spiritual institution. The fact that the symbolic background of the cross has absolutely nothing to do with the narrative of the church of scientology makes it plainly evident that the church itself is an entity of deception. Given their history, and their current practices, this seems accurate.
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elenchos, the worst offense of Scientology is the death of Lisa McPherson (http://www.lisamcpherson.org/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPher…), a scientologist who died under suspicious circumstances in the care of the organization. Evidence in the subsequent criminal and civil trials was lost, destroyed, or tampered with, giving all appearances that the organization killed Lisa McPherson through negligence and tried to cover it up. Other than that, Operation Snow White, Operation Freak Out, being a vicious cult selling rank bullshit, perhaps there's nothing very objectionable about it.
51
You guys posted lots of comments but failed to actually bother to look at the truth about scientology which can only be found inside a Church of Scientology or in a book written by L. Ron Hubbard.

You should definitely check out www.scientology.org
or www.scientologynews.org to see much more information about Scientology and hear the truth from Scientologists around the world on the video channel there.

The thing is that anyone can have their own opinion but it's only ignorant people who don't actually bother to find out for themselves about something who have an uneducated opinion and end up acting like sheep.

Up to you. I dare you to actually look for yourself.
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Oh yeah, @51, if we want real information about scientology, we'll just go to scientology dot org to find it!

Your confused run-on sentence #3 above gives the distinct impression that you're projecting, though, doesn't it?
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http://maranathabiblecult-12.blogspot.co…

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