Matt Taibbi's latest "Griftopia" includes a story of Chicago taking the "market rate parking" idea to such an extreme it makes our modest proposal seem especially sane by comparison: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/…
If this was just DT, not a big deal, but its city wide. Go to a Seahawks game? Sunday used to be free, now its going to cost you 20$ to park, even if youre parking 6 blocks away from the stadium.
Then theres the fact that my sister, now has to pay to visit me after work, used to be free after 7pm, not any more. Technically, its slightly cheaper to use the diamond parking lot next to my apt.
Raising parking rates amounts to yet another regressive tax. The higher cost of commuting will be disproportionately felt by lower-income people.
You know what'd be great? If some form of revenue generation other than fines and user fees could be found to balance budgets. But what would we call such a thing? Whatever it is, I'm sure it's never been tried before.
What struck me about Westneat's column was just what a jarring stretch he had to make with his slippery slope argument about Seattle becoming Washington, DC:
Years ago I lived in Washington, D.C., where the running joke was that everything was broken except the parking enforcement.... Notoriously their meter maids had quotas, requiring them to write 90 tickets per day â one every five minutes.
The mood was of a City Hall at war with its citizens.
...Feels like where Seattle's headed, Cindy Jarvis says.
So Danny, are you saying that Seattle government is incompetent like Washington, DC's? Are you saying that Seattle is forcing quotas on its parking enforcement? Way to take a modest policy change and morph it into the onset of some hyperbolic dystopia.
I don't know, while you're at it, why not envision a brave new world where cars are illegal? Sure, it has no bearing on reality, but it might make a good script for a sci-fi movie.
@7, lower-income people don't park downtown. They come in by bus.
@5, so USE THE DIAMOND LOT. This isn't rocket science, and the purpose of city government isn't to give your sister free parking. If you want free parking, go to the mall. That's what it's there for.
Typical Cienna post: Skim the column she's about to attack, then misrepresent it to set up the presentation of her predictable, knee-jerk point of view.
@11, I guess she'll have to, now that parking is cheaper on the Diamond Lot. Wont have much of a choice. Wont really solve the budget problem if parking is cheaper, that is unless Diamond raises its fee's because the city can.
@12, no chance in a subway system, there MIGHT be cost overruns.
Janitors do drive in. The loss of evening free parking will be a serious hardship for them, which wouldn't be an issue if Seattle's transit system weren't such a joke.
Seriously, is this what we have to look forward to? An electorate so opposed to raising taxes for any reason that governments can only bring in revenue by calling it something else? Hey, I have an idea: perfect enforcement of jay-walking laws -- we'll use traffic cameras. $100 fine each offense, mailed to your house. If that doesn't cover the budget deficit, raise the dollar amount till it does.
Scofflaws could be hand-cuffed to a lamp-post until they pay.
@14, huh? What she does with her car is immaterial. The people who DO park in the spaces will be increasing revenue.
@15, so what, we should have special "janitors only" parking stickers or something? TOO BAD.
The way to control access to a scarce resource that everyone wants to get for free is to price it appropriately. For every person who's so upset at paying another dollar or two there will be two or three or five people who are thrilled to pay it and actually get a spot. Cheap parking is not an inalienable right.
@18, I rather do hope the janitors can receive a special pass:
Janitors who work downtown at night are saying it isnât feasible for them, either, says Fred Prockiw, an organizer with Local 6 of the Service Employees International Union, which represents about 4,500 janitors and security guards. In the days following the mayorâs budget speech, Prockiw says, he got calls from night janitors who are also worried about paying for parking until 8 p.m. Most night janitors downtown, he said, start at 5:30.
Many drive, he says, because they live in Burien, Federal Way, SeaTac or Tukwila and public transportation isnât available or doesnât work for them. âMany buses donât run at 2:30 [in the morning] when the majority leave work,â Prockiw says. The rest canât take transit, he says, because âthe bus doesnât take them all the way or drops them off two to three miles away and theyâre walking at night.â
Prockiw says a contingent of janitors plans to pay a visit to the mayor and City Council members to explain they canât afford to pay more of their wages in parking. Prockiw is hoping some compromise can be worked out â perhaps, he says, a parking pass for those who work downtown at night.
@18 - your last sentence is sort the crux of the argument, something I think small business owners are especially missing. For every customer that has to pay and extra $1 to visit your store, or an extra $3 to finish their hair appointment, there's customers that couldn't find parking and went elsewhere. They're shortsightedly thinking of it as a burdenâand perhaps I'm shortsightedly assuming those that choose that burden can afford itâwhen they should be welcoming the turnover.
And for those than can no longer afford to occupy metered spots for an entire day (I'm guessing small business owners and employees are among the folks doing this, but complaining on behalf of their customers), their car's absence will be doing dozens of people a favor.
Parking downtown is $3.50 here, and weekdays in the Financial District, there's literally no parking without a commercial permit on most streets. Things are running just fine. (blah blah blah I'm all "hey we do it this way in SF", I know, I know...)
Whinging about getting a parking ticket is the sure sign of a pathetic, self-involved asshole. If you are parking illegally, you deserve to get a ticket. Fuck you for giving the parking enforcer a hard time about your own selfish inability to park legally. Decent human beings pay the ticket and move on, and really decent human beings park legally.
Besides, I'm not sure what enforcing laws against illegal behavior has to do with parking fees?
I don't drive to downtown to do some quick shopping especially on Hawk game days because I can never find street parking. If upping the rate frees up some spaces then I'll be downtown a lot more. I'm so tired of South Center
@24: I see raising rates, installing license-plate scans to catch people with unpaid tickets, and putting "boots" on cars with outstanding tickets, as related because the mayor is suggesting all of these measures as part of a comprehensive plan to increase revenue to fill city budget shortfalls. Sienna's post also explicitly links parking fines with parking fees. (In the future, please consider reading items before commenting on them.)
And yes, decent people obey laws. I assume you never jaywalk? Good. In that case you shouldn't have any problem with my plan to make up revenue shortfalls by raising the fines and increasing enforcement of the jaywalking laws already on the books.
Ms. Madrid: The mayor's proposed increases (60%) will NEVER pass the city council. Sunday parking will always be free, as will parking after 6 pm. Sorry about that.
BTW: Last night I drove downtown alone to meet a friend at Two Bells. Took about ten minutes to find suitable parking (not too bad). While driving around I listened to my favorite music on an excellent stereo system. The whole experience was highly satisfying.
@7 - This isn't a tax. This is parking. When Starbucks raises its prices, that hits the poor disproportionately as well, but I'd sound like an idiot if I called the latte-price increase a "regressive tax," because no one has to buy their coffee at Starbucks.
@20 - These janitors have plenty of options to avoid paying for parking. They won't have the convenience of parking right in front of their workplace without paying, but neither the fuck do I. One example: the #85 "night owl" bus leaves downtown at 2:15am and 3:30am, and runs under the West Seattle Bridge, where there are acres of free parking. Seems to work for their purported schedule, too.
I spent fifteen minutes driving around Capitol Hill last Thursday trying to find a spot for Slog happy hour. Finally I went to the pay lot behind Seattle Central. I welcome this rate increase because it will open up spots.
Please wait...
and remember to be decent to everyone all of the time.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/…
Then theres the fact that my sister, now has to pay to visit me after work, used to be free after 7pm, not any more. Technically, its slightly cheaper to use the diamond parking lot next to my apt.
Just 'cause you can't afford a car, don't trash those of us that can. I have to drive my daughter to daycare daily, so there.
You know what'd be great? If some form of revenue generation other than fines and user fees could be found to balance budgets. But what would we call such a thing? Whatever it is, I'm sure it's never been tried before.
Which means Jeff Bezos owes us a whole mess o' funds.
So Danny, are you saying that Seattle government is incompetent like Washington, DC's? Are you saying that Seattle is forcing quotas on its parking enforcement? Way to take a modest policy change and morph it into the onset of some hyperbolic dystopia.
I don't know, while you're at it, why not envision a brave new world where cars are illegal? Sure, it has no bearing on reality, but it might make a good script for a sci-fi movie.
@5, so USE THE DIAMOND LOT. This isn't rocket science, and the purpose of city government isn't to give your sister free parking. If you want free parking, go to the mall. That's what it's there for.
So tiresome.
@12, no chance in a subway system, there MIGHT be cost overruns.
Janitors do drive in. The loss of evening free parking will be a serious hardship for them, which wouldn't be an issue if Seattle's transit system weren't such a joke.
Seriously, is this what we have to look forward to? An electorate so opposed to raising taxes for any reason that governments can only bring in revenue by calling it something else? Hey, I have an idea: perfect enforcement of jay-walking laws -- we'll use traffic cameras. $100 fine each offense, mailed to your house. If that doesn't cover the budget deficit, raise the dollar amount till it does.
Scofflaws could be hand-cuffed to a lamp-post until they pay.
This isn't an argument. It's an observation. A WHINY ONE.
@15, so what, we should have special "janitors only" parking stickers or something? TOO BAD.
The way to control access to a scarce resource that everyone wants to get for free is to price it appropriately. For every person who's so upset at paying another dollar or two there will be two or three or five people who are thrilled to pay it and actually get a spot. Cheap parking is not an inalienable right.
And then sell their junkers at auction.
And for those than can no longer afford to occupy metered spots for an entire day (I'm guessing small business owners and employees are among the folks doing this, but complaining on behalf of their customers), their car's absence will be doing dozens of people a favor.
Parking downtown is $3.50 here, and weekdays in the Financial District, there's literally no parking without a commercial permit on most streets. Things are running just fine. (blah blah blah I'm all "hey we do it this way in SF", I know, I know...)
I can't wait to see what the unintended consequences are, though.
Besides, I'm not sure what enforcing laws against illegal behavior has to do with parking fees?
And yes, decent people obey laws. I assume you never jaywalk? Good. In that case you shouldn't have any problem with my plan to make up revenue shortfalls by raising the fines and increasing enforcement of the jaywalking laws already on the books.
You were the one claiming this doesn't affect the poor. I proved you wrong.
The employers pass that cost onto their night staff so they can avoid paying state income tax on their misbegotten wealth.
BTW: Last night I drove downtown alone to meet a friend at Two Bells. Took about ten minutes to find suitable parking (not too bad). While driving around I listened to my favorite music on an excellent stereo system. The whole experience was highly satisfying.
@20 - These janitors have plenty of options to avoid paying for parking. They won't have the convenience of parking right in front of their workplace without paying, but neither the fuck do I. One example: the #85 "night owl" bus leaves downtown at 2:15am and 3:30am, and runs under the West Seattle Bridge, where there are acres of free parking. Seems to work for their purported schedule, too.
I used to catch the earliest bus at the drug-infested Pike-Pine corridor to go to a job at Kent, and nothing has been done to change that, overall.