wheat gin.
"We work well with both systems, and can honestly say neither has huge advantages over the other"

So why do they not support them?

Vote yet on 1100! Then I can walk instead of drive to buy my booze!
"and can honestly say neither has huge advantages over the other"

Yeah, no huge advantages for YOU and YOUR BUSINESS. But for consumers, bars and restaurants there are amazing advantages: lower prices and easier access.
I don't support businesses that deny my freedom.
So the bottom line is that we are all supposed to suffer a lot of inconvenience because limiting sales to incovenient outlets is the only way that few high cost vendors with almost no customer base can survive.
Maybe the state should take over sales of all bicycles and limit them to a few state stores and impose crazy markups so that hand-built bike makers cna have an easier time of it.
Maybe the state should take over all film theatres and charte $20 a ticket so that small independent films can be more commercially viable.
I was with them until the no advantages line... to not even take the customer experience into account doesn't speak well for a business.
where the hell do all these people bitching about inconvenient locations live anyway? I can understand people who live in rural areas hvaing issues with location, but in the city? And especially in Cap Hill where there are two liquor stores?

Maybe it's because I grew up in a dry town in a state-controlled liquor state (meaning we couldn't even buy beer without driving to the next town over), but I've just never had a problem accessing liquor in Seattle. It really does not ruin my life one bit that I can't grab a bottle of tequila off the shelf of the QFC at 11pm.
Well, their whiskey is crap. And at $50 a bottle no where near worth it
Dry Fly makes mediocre liquor, but I'm starting to come around a little bit to the craft booze community's point of view here. I'm not exactly in favor of protectionism, but I'm not a big fan of sudden, total deregulation, either. I don't really want to see Anheuser-Busch and similar alcohol giants swoop into what has been a quiet ecosystem and demolish or devour small producers.

I don't like any of the options any more. Can we have a do-over?
Why all the hate? Dry Fly makes great stuff! Their gin is fantastic! Their vodka divine! And their whiskey sold out so fast I haven't had a chance to try any.

I really don't get the convenience argument. I've lived in this state for most of my life, and I have never been more than a few miles from a liquor store that was open until 9pm. You know what happens to liquor stores open after 9pm? They get robbed. Their proprieters get shot.

As an adult, I plan my parties ahead of time and keep my bar stocked. I do not see where all this "suffering" and "inconvenience" is coming from. This argument sounds like it's coming from a teenager. Now that I think about it, I did have some issues with planning my binge drinking when I was 19 and 20. Maybe that's the problem?
I see nothing inherently good about small business...unless you own a profitable one. Working for one is a drag--typically they offer (low) hourly wages, few-to-no medical benefits, and no retirement plan. Those are not characteristics of a 'good' job. Plus, small business owners tend to be self-righteous wackos who as an employee, you have to deal with on a daily basis.

So, fuck off, Mr. Dry Fly owner.
@7 Well, one example is if you live in Fremont you live more than 2 miles away from the nearest liquor store, I would classify Fremont as in the city. See a map of all Seattle liquor stores.

Other examples would be if you live in Beacon Hill or Columbia City, you are similarly far away from one as well.
@10 - Yeah planning ahead is great.. but what if you don't buy enough? Someone shows up who wants something other than what you have? Or god forbid you want some liquor on a Sunday!

You have any stats to back up the whole liquor stores getting robbed after 9 pm thing? Like convenience stores aren't getting robbed already?

I'm voting yes b/c of the convenience & the price reduction. The current prices are f'in outrageous. Idaho has state controlled liquor but any bottle there is about $5-10 cheaper than it is in WA.
Only a dozen comments in, we've already got multiple arguments that mega-corporations inherently provide better consumer choice and better employment conditions than independent businesses.

Congratulations. The Reaganization of your brains is now complete.

Now how many of you want to argue that private enterprise is oh-so-better equipped to efficiently and benevolently manage our health care system, our Social Security, our public utilities, etc., etc., etc.

(I didn't think I could possibly love Dry Fly vodka more than I already did. Apparently I can!)
@14 You're comparing alcohol sales to health care? Your appear to be the one with a brain problem.
OT: @7 Genevieve wrote, "And especially in Cap Hill where there are two liquor stores?"

Where does this "Cap Hill" business come from? My friend who flew in from Missouri to work Block Party last summer reported ahead of time that he'd be staying in or on "Cap Hill". Another friend who moved from Missouri to Issaquah last year said she was coming over to "Cap Hill" for Elysian's pumpkin beer festival last week. Here on Capitol Hill, I only hear people call it "Capitol Hill". The Capitol Hill Chamber of Commerce uses the Internet domain, but that's only because Charlie Hamilton is holding hostage, reportedly over a grudge with the previous and long-since defunct Chamber.

Genevieve, are you by chance from Missouri, Issaquah, or somewhere else outside of Seattle?
How about talking with some local wineries and craft distilleries that LIKE 1100? Fish Tale, Hale's Ales, and several wineries SUPPORT 1100 because they recongize it will give them better access to the market place. The primary issue for small wineries and distilleries is their fear that the initiative will require them to do things like - no longer get paid cash at delivery, require them to negotiate with a retailer or distributor on contracts, etc. You know - normal business practices in other industries. Remember, big beer is the primary driver behind the no campaign at over $8 million in contributions. The no campaign has never been about the small guys - it's about protecting the status quo for the big guys plain and simple.
Dry Fly's gin tastes like acetone to me. Not to my taste. Nor is their founder's opinion on this legislation to my taste.

Many, many states permit sales of liquor in minimarts and supermarkets. None of those states have crumbled into dust under the weight of sodden teenagers and street people. Our system is archaic and absurd. It needs to change.

"You know what happens to liquor stores open after 9pm? They get robbed. Their proprieters get shot."

you know what happens to convenience stores open after 9pm? they get robbed. their proprietors get shot.

i mean, why can't we all be adults and plan to go to the store and get our bread, milk, soda and toilet paper before 9pm? your argument is specious at best. personally, i'm happy you are so anal that every bit of your life's enjoyment needs to be planned out to the second; this way you're not on the streets spoiling my good time.


the argument isn't about mega-corporations and their ability to provide superior customer service. the argument is about adults having the choice to buy liquor at 11pm from the corner convenience store (usually a mom-and-pop business) versus having to make a special trip to a store run by the government.
I bet Dry Fly would be singing another tune if the state didn't carry their booze. What do you think the chances of that would be if they were based in Texas or Canada?

I'm happy I'll be able to finally get a Canadian rye in Washington. (The state carries only a handful of ryes, all crap.) I guess Dry Fly doesn't see that side of the coin.
I'm sooo glad that the Totalitarian Fascist Capitalist State of China was allowed to bring all those dead, but preserved bodies, of their executed political prisoners to the USA soooo the neatsie, sweetsie trolls of Sleazeattle could view them in their deathly nakedness.

It would be ooohh sooo inconvenient if they couldn't view all those dishonored dead political prisoners of China, after all, didn't they deserve it?

They refused to obey the Totalitarian State of China, didn't they? Then, if the sweetsie wussy trolls of Sleazeattle couldn't view their dead, but preserved, bodies, they would be sooooo inconvenienced.

And we couldn't have that, could we? Nooooooo.

What kind of retard still doesn't get that we, that is, real American citizens, must do everything possible to forestall the coming collapse due to the dismantling of the American economy.

Are some of the commenters to this post truly and really that profoundly ignorant and stupid?

No to the multinationals who are sowing your demise, douchebags, and no to Initiatives 1100 and 1105 which they support.

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