a vivian westwood gown is stunning. this is appalling.
Misspelling Vivienne Westwood is appalling. This is horrifying.

The inconsistency you note is real. He said this on purpose - he knows the truth and dislikes it, and is toying with it as a bored cat does a mouse. He does not care if his remarks lend credence to racist hogwash. He is building himself up as our cut-rate Scalia.

Extrapolated from the article "List of 2008 homicides in Seattle" from the Seattle PI

selected from the list of the 28 Seattle homicides in 2008....

Allen Joplin, Jan. 4 -- black killed by black

De'Che Morrison, Jan. 10 -- black killed by black

Maurice "Moe" Allen Jr., Jan. 26 -- black killed by black

Degene Barecha, Jan. 30 -- black killed by black

Perry Henderson, Feb. 6 -- black killed by black

Stephan Dwaine Stewart, April 2 -- black killed by black

Eldora Earlycutt, July 4 -- black killed by black

James Paroline, July 10 -- white killed by black

Troy Peters, July 22 -- black killed by black

Pierre Lapoint, Aug. 5 -- black killed by black

Jane Kariuki, Oct. 16 -- woman of unknown race killed by black man named Christel D. Murphy

Quincy S. Coleman, Oct. 31 -- black killed by black

Edward McMichael, the "Tuba Man", Nov. 3 -- white killed by multiple blacks

Nathaniel Lee Thomas, Nov. 23 -- black killed by black

Blacks (8% of Seattle) were the killers in at least half (that's at least 50%) of the murders in the Seattle area in 2008. At least five of the other murderers were latinos. 

Now let's take a look at 2009!…

The link above is to the Seattle PI's article on homicides in Seattle in 2009.

At least twelve of the 21 murders in Seattle in 2009 were committed by blacks, only 8% of Seattle.

Of the 27 officers that were shot and killed by criminals in the last 20 years in King and Pierce county, 21 of them were shot by black men, even though black men make up less than 3% of the population.
Let's look at some stats in Atlanta. According to Atlanta's population is 431,043. There are about 149 murders per year in Atlanta (4.5 times the national average).

Let's check out Portland, OR with a population of 545,271. Portland, with a population over 100,000 more than Atlanta, has about 27 murders.

Portland = 76% white, only about 7% black

Atlanta = 31% white, 61% black.

How about New York City?…

New York Times - New York City Interactive Homicide Map:

Blacks = 60% of the killers, 60% of the victims

Whites = 7% of the killers, 8% of the victims

Blacks = 26% of NYC population

Whites = 35% of NYC population

So what do we surmise with these stats? Answer: More black people equals more murders.
@1 is correct for the Fashion Win.
***The justices said African Americans are overrepresented because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime.***

Why is this such a controversial statement? Similarly, East Asians are underrepresented (even controlling for poverty) because they commit less crime. This is just common sense.

If you need a reference look up Chapter 7 of Biosocial Criminology: New Directions in Theory and Research by Walsh & Beaver 2008.

Stop hiding from facts and deal with reality.
I thought the first dozen or so comments in the other thread were reasonable because I assumed people meant that blacks were committing more crimes because of socioeconomic factors out of their control, and not because black people are automatically all criminals. Further, I wouldn't say that's the ONLY reason they're over-represented in prison - sentencing practices no doubt have something to do with it. And, while I haven't asked Sanders that question, nor have I seen anyone else do so, I strongly doubt that the "crime problem" he mentions is meant as an indictment against the race. However, the suggestion that there aren't people in prison mostly because of race is downright ignorant.

Apologism aside, I'm still not going to vote for him.
Why are you White Seattle Liberals SO NAIVE about the facts of reality? Why do you get so offended when someone plainly states the indisputable facts? Aren't you supposed to be "the smart ones"?

INDISPUTABLE FACT: Black "crime age" males (ages 14 - 55) make up less than 3% of Seattle's population, but fully half of all homicides in Seattle every year (for the last several years) are committed by black males in that age group.

Go ahead, call me that favorite magic word that naive white liberals love to call anyone who points out the FACTS to them: "ignorant"! LOL!!!!! It is like you NAIVE ninnies think calling someone who actually knows the facts "ignorant" will magically make all the facts of reality vanish!!!!

Put down the bong and wake up to reality!!!!

Since we are discussing facts about reality of which stereotypical Naive White Seattle Libtarded Progressives such as yourselves are either naive or unaware or willfully ignore, you might enjoy checking out the Washington State Patrol's "Most Wanted" page!

Man, check out all that amazing diversity!!!!

Makes you naive white Seattle libtards want an open border and glad to be living in a "Sanctuary City", doesn't it?

Where do "stereotypes" come from? I'm just a Naive White Seattle Libtarded Progressive, and I can't figure it out!!!!!!!!
Eli, are you ever going to respond at to the indisputable facts that black "crime-age" males (ages 14 - 55) (ONLY 3% OF SEATTLE'S POPULATION) committed fully half of all homicides in Seattle annually for the last several years?

@NWLSP - Committing crimes is not the same as being arrested for crimes, or being prosecuted for crimes, or getting stiffer sentences when convicted of crimes. You can't use the conviction rate to prove the rate of criminal activity when the argument is about whether the justice system is being applied fairly. It's circular.
10 - it seems like you are trying to claim that there are a bunch of murders in Seattle that were committed by whites that were NOT prosecuted? Or maybe that a bunch of those supposedly black-committed murders were actually committed by whites?

"Committing crimes is not the same as being arrested for crimes" That is so true. And what this obviously means (unless you are a naive white Seattle libtarded progressive) is that most crimes committed actually go unpunished at all.

Most violent criminals DON'T GET CAUGHT and their crimes DON'T GET PROSECUTED.


No Snitchin', Yo!
It appears that you were "stunned" at Justice Sanders' remarks (I heard the tail end of the KUOW show) than say the statisitc (about incarceration rates among AA males). On the contary, I'm more stunned about the statistic (and greatly saddened) than about the remarks regardless if they are insensitive or not. Unfortunately, the series on Maurice Clemmons this past week in the Seattle Times is but an example of what Justice Sanders was referring to:…

Eli, care to respond? Tell me I'm wrong? Call me an ignorant racist?

Did you just totally wimp out on this subject?

Eli, are you just another stereotypical reality-ignoring Naive White Libtarded Progressive?
Rest In Peace, Tuba Man! ENOUGH SAID!
You stepped in some troll. Better scrape it off before it stinks up the whole room.
Poverty rates are higher for blacks and always have been. That's from racist social policies. Poverty results in higher crime rates, naturally, and always has. Then you have apparent racist enforcement and sentencing. Not complicated and not surprising that racist right wingers use the end result to draw a racist conclusion that reinforces their racism.
Race is an issue in crime but so is racism and disenfranchisement. Poverty and lack of education coupled with barriers for opportunity for self-betterment such as racism and disenfranchisement, increase the liklihood of criminal behavior. When Italians and Jews were subjected to a greater level of exclusion form main-stream society during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, one reaction was an element of criminal behavior. People forget that there was a very powerful Jewish as well as Italian mafia. Poor white people commit more burgleries and car theft than middle-class whites.
Now I will address the some stupider stuff from the Seattle Times article on the original incident with Judge Sanders:…

"Justice Debra Stephens said she heard Sanders and Johnson make the comments, including Johnson using the words "you all" or "you people" when he stated that African Americans commit crimes in their own communities."

SO WHAT? I hear black "leaders" referring to "my people" or "our people" all the goddamn time, so why is it terribly offensive if some white guy says essentially the same thing?

"Bondon said she remembered thinking that she didn't need data or statistics to prove that she and other African Americans don't have a predisposition for criminality.

"Just the idea that it was necessary to disprove the assertion was sickening," Bondon said."

WELL, BRONDON, I JUST DID YOUR WORK FOR YOU, AND YOU TOTALLY LOST THE DEBATE. Doesn't it reflect terribly on the so-called professionalism of Bondon that she thinks the doesn't even need to back up her naive assertions with ACTUAL FACTS????????
Time to stop being stunned. "Numerous studies say..." "Researchers have attributed..." Notice the weasel words? Name the studies. Name the researchers. Link to them.

You can't expect the whole world to take this complex argument for granted when you are so lazy about making the argument. You can hardly expect the general public to be walking encyclopedias of racial injustice research when professional journalists can't even be bothered to show their work and back up their generalizations with the underlying facts.
@17, yeah, go ahead and call me a "troll" all you want. You can even call me a one-man KKK rally! Oh noes!

Since you totally failed to address the facts I presented, and instead could only resort to lame and impotent insults, obviously I have decisively won this debate.

Here, I will help you out a little with your awesome insults:

"I, the Naive White Libtarded Seattle Progressive, am a retarded inbred redneck racist hick. I live in the basement of my mom's trailer in a white trash trailer park, where I hide behind my computer screen all day, while posting hate, and wearing a tinfoil hat on top of my white bedsheet Klan hood, and I jack off all day to a poster of Hitler, because I can't get laid, unless it is with my mom and sister."

So, now that's out of the way, even if it were all true, how does that negate any of the indisputable facts that I posted???? Naive dipshit.
So let me get this straight... everything you post is true, including 22. Thank you so much for enlightening all of us.
Nice! , kmq1! I notice that you still are completely unable to actually address the facts I posted. I win!!!!
Hmmmm, I wonder what has been happening around town lately???


"On 10/24/10, at approximately 2:08 a.m., a the Restaurant/Lounge in the 6900 block of MLK Wy had just closed up and the victim was leaving. He stated that as he was walking away from the business crossing the street when he was shot.

Officers in the area heard one shot and shortly after that the call came out. The victim ran back to the restaurant where he was contacted. Seattle Fire Department personnel responded and transported the victim to an area hospital with a gunshot wound to his butt.

The Gang unit responded but there was no scene and the victim was not talking."




Three Teenage Girls Mug Woman In the Central District


Man Robbed During Craigslist Sale…

A man called police from 31st and S Morgan St on October 18th, and said he'd just been robbed by a man who had contacted him through Craigslist

The man met the suspect around 6:00 to sell him a phone to for $750, according to a police report.

When the victim showed the suspect the phone, the suspect—described as a "black male with a heavy build, 18 - 20 years old, 6 feet tall, wearing a black puffy jacket"



Gang Member Shot By D-Dub Rivals, Then Charged For Gun Possession

= BLACKS!!!!


Police: Madrona Arson Was Burglary Cover-Up

= BLACK!!!!

Police Arrest 17-Year-Old Shooting Suspect In South Seattle

= BLACK!!!!


The Morning Blotter: Catcaller Pulls Knife on Couple After Commenting on Woman's Pants



Police Chase, Arrest Man Wanted In Gang Shootings



The Morning Blotter: Suspects In Community Center Shooting Tried to Rob Victim

wait for it, wait for it...

= BLACKS!!!!


So, allow me to sum up your naive white Seattle libtard "logic":

"Blacks don't commit more violent crimes per-capita, but even if they do, it is totally Whitey's fault".
I wish there was some way to place bets here, because I would bet $100 that Eli NEVER RESPONDS to the facts that I posted, unless it is to insult me without addressing the facts.

April 3, 2009

"3 plead guilty in Tuba Man slaying but won't serve much time

Three teenagers have pleaded guilty in the beating death of Seattle's "Tuba Man" but none will spend more than 72 weeks in juvenile detention for their crimes. King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg announced the guilty pleas Friday and called the maximum sentences the teens face "inadequate" and "not enough punishment."

April 7, 2010

Teen 'Tuba Man' killer charged with robbery

SEATTLE – A 16-year-old boy who spent just three months behind bars after being sentenced for killing Seattle's "Tuba Man" in 2008 is now charged with a new crime, second-degree robbery.

According to probable cause documents, Seattle Police say on Jan. 22, the suspect approached a 17-year-old boy at the Garfield Teen Life Center at 428 23rd Avenue and asked for $5. The victim said he didn't have the money and then went inside the center.

A few minutes later, the victim says the suspect approached him again, this time accompanied by four juvenile males. The suspect again asked for five dollars. When the victim said he didn't have the money, the group checked his pockets. One of them allegedly said "It feels like you have an iPod or something in your pocket." The group then left.

A couple minutes later, police say the victim went outside and was approached and surrounded by the group. "One of them went into (the victim's) pocket and took his MP3 player," wrote Det. Mikel W. Rideaux. "Someone else then punched (the victim) in the mouth and another person took his wallet."


Jul 27, 2010 - 9:06 am

Teens convicted in Tuba Man death face new charges

KIRO Radio

Two of the teenagers, convicted in the killing of Seattle icon "Tuba Man," are back in trouble.

King County prosecutors say one of the teens faces trial next month for a robbery last spring. A second teen is being held for a robbery that happened Saturday night.

Both pleaded guilty to manslaughter in the death of Ed McMichael, the beloved "Tuba Man" who played outside Seattle sporting events for years.

"We always thought that the punishment they received for killing our brother was much too light," said Kelsey McMichael, brother of Ed McMichael, on an appearance on KIRO Radio's Dori Monson Show.

Wow such vitriol and hate. I am so glad that I am not you, NWLSP, because it must be a such sad and lonely existence.
NWLSP has declared himself the winner of a debate that only he was taking part in.
Can the wise and skilled person who crafted the "Will in Seattle" blocker please post info or a script/plugin/add-on that will eliminate any comments like the above ones? ... maybe with a criterion of 3 posts in a row or something?
Thanks. Feel free to contact me directly if it's too tedious for this thread-- see my profile page.
Feel free to insult me all you want, I already helped you out above, in fact my insults to myself were even better than any insult I have received from any of you naive sheltered close minded white seattle libtards (who live in one of the whitest cities in the USA and almost never have any real contact with blacks).

Again, a bunch of naive white seattle libtards steadfastly refuse to actually address ANY of the facts that I presented, AT ALL.

I win!!!!
@31 - Another naive sheltered libtard who wants censorship of facts that contradict your faith-based liberal fantasy.
Mr. X:

You FAILED to address the FACTS, and only offered a lame insult that is even lamer than the insults with which I insulted myself.

Thank you!!! You are only helping me prove my point.
Again: That's because the facts you presented are irrelevant. You've fundamentally failed to understand the issue at hand. Even when 10 tried to explain this to you, you took a very stupid inference away from his post. Nobody is engaging with you because you have proven yourself incompetent, not because you're some incredible debate wizard presenting inconvenient truths to a biased mob.
NWLSP: Steve Winwood, is that you?
You're a troll because you're more interested in personal insults than any amount of "logic" you present. You also are not interested in reading the words of others, while all the time crowing about how no one reads your "ideas." Pointing the finger and playing the martyr at the same time, I can get a much better performer from Glenn Beck if that's what I want.

The important thing to consider, which is a repeat of #19, is not race but poverty. Crime rates, as well as divorce, spousal/child abuse, drug abuse, etc, are all the same among different races at the same economic level. This is a very simple fact, one that is world-wide, and has been a historical truth for as long as humans have recorded such things.

It is my own personal opinion that those w/ access to great wealth inspire racial bigotry as a form of "divide and conquer." As long as it exists, it's just one more block to the people truly uniting.

"Even when 10 tried to explain this to you, you took a very stupid inference away from his post. Nobody is engaging with you because you have proven yourself incompetent,"

Please explain what my "stupid inference" was. He said most violent criminals don't get arrested and prosecuted, I agreed. Logic dictates that this means that the black violent crime rate is even worse that portrayed by statistics. Please explain in detail why my inference is "stupid". If you can't do it, then I am right and you are wrong.

"Nobody is engaging with you because you have proven yourself incompetent"
Please explain in detail exactly where I am "incompetent" or even where I am incorrect. If you can't do it, then I am right and you are wrong.
"You're a troll because you're more interested in personal insults than any amount of "logic" you present."

I'm just following the example set by the "journalists" at The Stranger who write articles where the main "logical argument" is that the target of said article is a "stupid fuck" or a "shithead".

And anyway, the only insults that I called you guys was "naive", "close-minded", "uninformed" and the worst one, "libtarded".

Waaaaah waaaaah waaaaah.

You naive close-minded sheltered white Seattle libtards sure get your sensitive feewings hurt easily.
Let's wrap it up!

Blacks committed at least 14 of the 28 homicides in Seattle in 2008.

Blacks committed at least 12 of the 21 homicides in Seattle in 2009.

Seattle is only 8% black, which logically means that "crime age" black males ages 14-55 make up about 3% of Seattle or less.

From the Seattle Times article:

"State Supreme Court justices Richard Sanders and James Johnson stunned some participants at a recent court meeting when they said African Americans are overrepresented in the prison population because they commit a disproportionate number of crimes.

"Sanders later confirmed his remarks about imprisoned African Americans, saying "certain minority groups" are "disproportionally represented in prison because they have a crime problem."

"That's right," he told The Seattle Times this week. "I think that's obvious."


THEREFORE: Only a complete idiot or a sheltered naive white Seattle libtard would dispute Judge Sanders' statement or get offended by it.
@42 - nice, threaten violence to those who are presenting the actual facts. Great debate technique!

So, ok, it is all whitey's fault that black men (3% of Seattle) committed half of all homicides in Seattle in 2008 and 2009 (do you wanna make a bet on 2010??? Probably not!).

So what do you propose? Do you think Judges should use some formula to knock a few years or months off of the sentences of black murderers in the name of "social justice"?

Should "black murderer #1" who grew up in more poverty than "black murderer #2" be given a lighter sentence than "black murderer #2" because "black murderer #1" had a "harder time of it"??????
"Show up in person and say that racist shit to people's faces if you're so interested in "debating." I'm not holding my breath. "

Stating indisputable facts is "racist shit"???

Keep it up, please. You are only helping to prove my point!

Blacks committed at least 14 of the 28 homicides in Seattle in 2008.

Blacks committed at least 12 of the 21 homicides in Seattle in 2009.

Seattle is only 8% black, which logically means that "crime age" black males ages 14-55 make up about 3% of Seattle or less.

THEREFORE: Only a complete idiot or a sheltered naive white Seattle libtard would dispute Judge Sanders' statement or get offended by it.
Cause: it is all whitey's fault !
Wow. I can hardly believe my eyes. I grew up with this crap in the South, but I thought you PNW people had more sense. Now I see I was wrong--Judge Saunders and NWLSP beat George Wallace any day. Ugh.
@47 HAW HAW HAW keep it up! You are only helping prove my point!


If you post proof that black males (= 3% of Seattle) commit a vastly disproportionate amount of MURDER in Seattle (= half of the murders), then blacks will threaten you with violence!

Does anyone ever wonder where the "stereotype" of the violent, impulsive, low-IQ black comes from?

Looks like the naive sheltered white libtarded progressives at the Stranger finally banned me because they can't argue against the facts.
Whoops! Never mind! The comments just took a long time to show up! Mea culpa.
Apparently NWLSP is illiterate AND stupid, Mr. X. He seems to think you're black although you clearly state you're white in 42.

....and I see from 51 he's paranoid, too.
See Mr. Naive, the thing is, most of us, even if we're white, we have black kin. Pluralistic society, you know. Kind of hard to hear someone slamming your kin based on their skin color. My experience is, white folks (and I am one) tend to assume they can say anything they want to other white folk about folk of other colors. Me, I find your assumption that I share your stupidity incredibly offensive.

But unlike you, I have a job. Got to get back to it.

Oh and go easy on that meth, that white-boy coke. It's a killer.
Whoops. I meant to refer to Mr. X's post at # 44 instead of #47.

Mr X. is white? Prove it. Why should I take his word for it if you naive sheltered white libtards can't even accept proven facts and are too dumb to do simple math?
@55 - keep it up! You are only helping to prove my point that naive, sheltered white Seattle liberals such as yourself are unable to actually address the facts, so you are forced to resort to impotent insults.


Blacks committed at least 14 of the 28 homicides in Seattle in 2008.

Blacks committed at least 12 of the 21 homicides in Seattle in 2009.

Seattle is only 8% black, which logically means that "crime age" black males ages 14-55 make up about 3% of Seattle or less.

THEREFORE: Only a complete idiot or a sheltered naive white Seattle libtard would dispute Judge Sanders' statement or get offended by it.
"proven facts" ---- lovely phrase, 56. Use it often?

And why talk to us about being "too dumb to do simple math" when you can't even identify a post correctly by its number?

BTW, I'm assuming you really are high; it's kinder than assuming your thought processes are always of such poor quality.

But like I said, gotta go. I have a job. Clearly you do not.
@58 ""proven facts" ---- lovely phrase, 56. Use it often?"

Only when referring to PROVEN FACTS, such as these PROVEN FACTS:

Blacks committed at least 14 of the 28 homicides in Seattle in 2008. = HALF THE HOMICIDES IN SEATTLE THAT YEAR

Blacks committed at least 12 of the 21 homicides in Seattle in 2009. = MORE THAN HALF THE HOMICIDES IN SEATTLE THAT YEAR

Seattle is only 8% black, which logically means that "crime age" black males ages 14-55 make up about 3% of Seattle or less.

Keep up your insults, you are only helping prove my point that sheltered white Seattle liberals such as yourself have no way to argue against the actual facts of reality, except by using illogical emotion and insults.
(Confidential to SLOG: I think he's under the impression that typing the same post over and over again constitutes a valid debating tactic. My hope that his errors in logic would become apparent to him through such repetition appears to be unfounded. On the other hand it has confirmed my original assessment of his mental capacities. So very hope for any real discussion here.)

@60 - what is it that you are disputing?

"valid debating tactic" - I guess to you naive white seattle liberals, refusing to address the data and insulting somebody instead is a "valid debating tactic".

Where are my "errors in logic"? Are you trying to claim that blacks DID NOT commit half the homicides in Seattle in 2008 and 2009? Are you trying to claim that black males ages 14 - 55 DON'T make up only about 3% of Seattle?

"no hope for any real discussion here." - Well certainly not, since you libtards refuse to address the PROVEN FACTS and only rely on your faith-based, preconceived naive sheltered liberal fantasies.

I posted the same text several times because what I wrote is TRUE and you naive sheltered white libtards REFUSE TO ADDRESS THE FACT that black males committed half the homicides in Seattle in 2008 and 2009, and you have your panties in a wad because Judge Sanders simply stated the fact that blacks are overrepresented in prisons because they ACTUALLY DO COMMIT MORE CRIMES, ESPECIALLY VIOLENT CRIMES LIKE HOMICIDE.

Case closed. Just exactly who is the "dumb one" or the "ignorant" one around here? It certainly is not me!

Wow, Mr. X, it is totally amazing how your comment addressed the fact that fully half the homicides in Seattle in 2008 and 2009 were committed by black males, only 3% of Seattle!

Your awesome insults have made all the facts vanish like magic!

Blacks committed at least 14 of the 28 homicides in Seattle in 2008. = HALF THE HOMICIDES IN SEATTLE THAT YEAR

Blacks committed at least 12 of the 21 homicides in Seattle in 2009. = MORE THAN HALF THE HOMICIDES IN SEATTLE THAT YEAR

Seattle is only 8% black, which logically means that "crime age" black males ages 14-55 make up about 3% of Seattle or less.
I already wrote that it all beez da White Debbil's fault! What more do you naive sheltered white Seattle libtards want?

So will you now admit that it is a proven fact that black males (3% of Seattle) committed half the homicides in Seattle in 2008 and 2009?
And he's not even stating the statistic correctly, 66. Black males did NOT commit half the homicides in Seattle in 2008 and 2009. They were convicted in half of the successful PROSECUTIONS for homicides in those years. Too very different things. Completely different.

But I don't think he has the gray matter left after all that meth to see the difference.
@67 - are you trying to claim that there were a bunch of homicides in Seattle those years that never got prosecuted? Enough to skew the stats? Because there weren't!

Are you trying to claim that a bunch of whites committed a bunch of homicides that never even got reported or prosecuted? Because it didn't happen!

Are you trying to claim that a bunch of the 14 black-committed homicides in 2008 and a bunch of the 12 black-committed homicides were really not committed by blacks, but were actually committed by whites or some other race? Because that is not what happened!

Boy howdy, the "logic" you libtards use is HILARIOUS!!!! KEEP IT UP!!!!
So, master insulter Mr. X at 69, you are trying to claim that there were a bunch of UNSUCCESSFUL prosecutions of whites for homicide in Seattle in 2008 and 2009???


Keep your illogical emotional laffs coming, libtard!
The people across the street from me in my poor neighborhood sell drugs. The police are after them for this. I don't mind the police going after them, as they are obnoxious and sell crack, which is far from a harmless good time. Problem is, the police have been much more effective at arresting their customers, juveniles violating curfews near the property, and people with outstanding warrants for things ranging from failing to pay child support to driving under suspension than stopping the nonsense across the street.

*I*, who once held a security clearance and have a criminal record that contains such illustrious items as making an illegal turn and following too closely, have been questioned by the police walking on my own street (well, they attempted to question me, but I just told them I had somewhere to be and they could either arrest me or leave me alone). The net is cast wide in attempting to reduce legitimate crime in poorer neighborhoods, and it's easier to put up petty victories against petty criminals than deal with the real problem, and people who are doing things that most of us have done and gotten away with it are caught much more frequently (I don't mean to suggest that most of us have smoked crack, but most of us have used some kind of illegal drug, broken curfew, and committed traffic violations, and not spent a single minute in prison for it). I'm all for the broken windows theory, but the broken window is not taking the time to build a legitimate case against an obvious open-air drug market and party center and opting instead to post arrest numbers for petty crimes. And, yes, we could put the customers in rehab instead of prison and attempt to drive the drug market out of business...I'd be all for that.
NWLSP: Let's see if maybe a different approach makes any sense to you. Because this is my first post to you, I'm assuming for the sake of argument that you really do want to get to the bottom of the facts and the reasons behind them.

When you're talking about fewer than 30 murders among a population of 615,000 or so in the city proper, assuming those are all "within the city" murders. To begin with, that's an incredibly small sample. If there had only been one murder in Seattle this year, and it was committed by a Mormon, it might be a "fact" that 100% of the murders were committed by Mormons. What that doesn't say is that there is a crime problem in the Mormon community. If our hypothetical Mormon were also red-headed, it would also be a "fact" that 100% of the murders were committed by red-heads. You get the point.

One could just as easily look at the economic status of those 28 murderers in 2008 and the 21 murderers in 2009 and conclude that although Seattle's poverty rate is about 12 percent, nearly all of the murders were committed by poor people - so the crime problem is just as much about poverty. If (again, hypothetically), most of those murders were committed by men over 6 feet in height, it would be accurate (and pointless) to say that most murders are committed by tall people.

But - you say - there are lots of tall and poor people who don't commit crimes! That's true, and there are also lots of black people who don't commit crimes. The issue, then, is deciding which factor(s) the criminals have in common that is/are RELEVANT to the propensity for criminal activity. And what the research tends to show is that when you view crime across cultures - that is, OUTSIDE of the racial prism through which we tend to view things like this in the US - violent crime is primarily dependent upon poverty.

It's just that in the United States, thanks to a long, long history of slavery, then discrimination, then really stupid social policies, we've institutionalized poverty in a large segment of the black population. Should we be surprised that's where much of our violent crime comes from?

The problem with Justice Sanders' comment is as much about what is implied as with the actual words he used - and it's the same problem underlying your arguments. The unspoken subtext to Sanders' comments is "blacks commit crimes at a higher rate for some reason intrinsically related to their being black" - which is an abominable thought.

Now as to the comment he made about no people being in jail because of their race - the easiest example to show of this is the huge disparity usually found in sentences for crack cocaine vs. powdered cocaine. For at least a few decades, possession of the same amount of cocaine in crack form got a sentence 20 times longer than for powdered - a product of the drug hysteria of the 1980's. Rich white people were using the (more expensive) powdered cocaine, and getting probation and short sentences; poor black people smoking crack got were getting 10 and 20 year sentences at hard labor. That's the kind of discrepancy in the written law, BEFORE you add in the effects of wealthier white people with good lawyers vs. poorer black people with public defenders.

And of course, what talking about "blacks as criminals", for politicians, is all about is simple - to stir up fear of black criminals in the white community for electoral advantage. Even though, in fact, the rate at which blacks are VICTIMS of crimes (compared to their % of the population) is even higher than the rate at which blacks are the criminals themselves. Meaning, if you're white, you're actually safer from black criminals than other black people are.

None of this is meant to excuse the crimes committed. None of it's to suggest "racial reparations" in sentencing. What it's meant to do is stop people from making the frankly ignorant assumptions that you and Sanders do - that the "simple fact" that the rate of criminalism in the black community is higher than in the white community somehow is based on the races involved, instead of a myriad of other factors tied to race, which is but a proxy for the real problems.

Now - whether you stop simply spouting your "facts" and look at whether those facts are relevant to the discussion or not, is up to you.
"The unspoken subtext to Sanders' comments is "blacks commit crimes at a higher rate for some reason intrinsically related to their being black" - which is an abominable thought."

Why is that an "abominable thought"? It is pure science.


National Cancer Inst. 1986

Serum testosterone levels in healthy young black and white men.

Ross R, Bernstein L, Judd H, Hanisch R, Pike M, Henderson B.

Blacks in the United States have the highest prostate cancer rate in the world and nearly twice that of whites in the United States. The 2:1 black-to-white ratio in prostate cancer rates is already apparent at age 45 years, the age at which the earliest prostate cancer cases occur. This finding suggests that the factor(s) responsible for the difference in rates occurs, or first occurs, early in life. Testosterone has been hypothesized to play a role in the etiology of prostate cancer, because testosterone and its metabolite, dihydrotestosterone, are the principal trophic hormones that regulate growth and function of epithelial prostate tissue. This report gives the results of assays of circulating steroid hormone levels in white and black college students in Los Angeles, CA. Mean testosterone levels in blacks were 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher. Both these differences were statistically significant. Adjustment by analysis of covariance for time of sampling, age, weight, alcohol use, cigarette smoking, and use of prescription drugs somewhat reduced the differences. After these adjustments were made, blacks had a 15% higher testosterone level and a 13% higher free testosterone level. A 15% difference in circulating testosterone levels could readily explain a twofold difference in prostate cancer risk.

Testosterone and ruthless homicide

James M. Dabbs, Jr., Jasmin K. Riadb and Susan E. Chancea

Department of Psychology, Georgia State University, Georgia, Atlanta, GA30303, USA

University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware, USA
Received 21 January 2000;
revised 20 June 2000;
accepted 16 July 2000
Available online 9 July 2001.


Prior studies have found higher levels of testosterone among persons who commit violent crimes than among those who commit nonviolent crimes. The present study examined data from 230 male prison inmates to determine how testosterone levels might relate specifically to the way in which inmates committed their crimes. Characteristics of inmate behavior associated with murder, manslaughter, robbery, assault, rape, and child molestation were scored from parole board investigative reports, and inmate testosterone levels were assayed from saliva samples. Among inmates who committed homicide, those high in testosterone more often knew their victims and planned their crimes ahead of time.


"Humans may have evolved with testosterone because the hormone is useful in conflict situations. Booth has shown that levels of it rise in chess players, wrestlers and tennis players before a match. Studies have shown that women with high levels of testosterone might choose male-dominated occupations more than other women.

In men, high levels of testosterone are also associated with better health. High-T men are less likely to be obese, for example, and generally have a stronger cardiovascular system.

But in men, who produce about seven times more testosterone than women, too much of the hormone can cause antisocial and risky behavior. High-T men are more likely to commit a crime, according to past studies.

“Men with high levels of testosterone are more likely to be unfaithful, abusive and less close in relationships with their wives,” Booth said. They’re more likely to divorce. Some high-T men aren’t good marriage partners.”

Fathers with high levels of testosterone often don’t have good relationships with their kids, Booth said. But there are many men with high levels of testosterone who do well.

My three-year study is the biggest and most comprehensive of its kind, say researchers Alan Booth, a professor of sociology and human development."


Testosterone, crime, and misbehavior among 692 male prison inmates

References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.

James M. Dabbs, Jr, Timothy S. Carrb, Robert L. Fradyc and Jasmin K. Riada

Department of Psychology, Georgia State University, University Plaza, Atlanta, GA 30303-3083, U.S.A.

Research Unit, Georgia Department of Corrections, Atlanta, GA 30334, U.S.A.

Diagnostic Unit, Lee Arrendale Correctional Institution, Alto, GA 30596, U.S.A.
Received 1 August 1994.
Available online 28 December 1999.


Testosterone, crime, and prison behavior were examined among 692 adult male prison inmates. Testosterone was measured from saliva samples, and behavior was coded from prison system records. Inmates who had committed personal crimes of sex and violence had higher testosterone levels than inmates who had committed property crimes of burglary, theft, and drugs. Inmates with higher testosterone levels also violated more rules in prison, especially rules involving overt confrontation. The findings indicate differences between low and high testosterone individuals in the amount and pattern of their misbehavior.
@72, to address your stuff about tall people or redheads or whatever:…

Bureau of Justice Statistics
Special Report

Black Victims of Violent Crime

"In 2005 nearly half of all homicide victims [in the USA] were black.

Blacks accounted for 49% of all homicide victims in 2005, according to the FBI's UCR. Black males accounted for about 52% (or 6,800) of the nearly 13,000 male homicide victims in 2005. Black females made up 35% (or 1,200) of the nearly 3,500 female homicide victims. The number of black males murdered increased between 2004 and 2005, while the number of black females murdered remained the same."

"About 93% of black homicide victims in single victim and single
offender homicides were murdered by someone of their race."


Demographics of the United States…

Black or African American - 12.4%


So, logically, if the USA is only 12.4% black, and blacks were victims of 49% of all homicides in the USA in 2005, and 93% of those blacks killed were killed by other blacks, then the only conclusion that anyone with a brain can come to is that blacks commit a vastly disproportionate amount of homicides in the USA.

Judge Sanders said that blacks are over-represented in prison because they commit more crimes. He was correct. I just proved it again.
@72 to address the poverty issue:

Let's play a mental game. Let's say that some bad person forcibly abducts you late at night, forces you into their car, and then says that they are going to drop you off somewhere far from your home, with no money or phone. Your abductor give you a choice. You can choose to be dropped off in a poor white neighborhood, or you can choose to be dropped off in a poor black neighborhood.

Which do you choose?
CELEBRATE DIVERSITY! But pretend that "diversity" is only skin-deep, and get really offended when anyone points out any REAL DIFFERENCES. Isn't that right, my naive sheltered white Seattle libtards?


Neanderthal Genome Yields Insights Into Human Evolution and Evidence of Interbreeding With Modern Humans

ScienceDaily (May 6, 2010)

After extracting ancient DNA from the 40,000-year-old bones of Neanderthals, scientists have obtained a draft sequence of the Neanderthal genome, yielding important new insights into the evolution of modern humans.

Among the findings, published in the May 7 issue of Science, is evidence that shortly after early modern humans migrated out of Africa, some of them interbred with Neanderthals, leaving bits of Neanderthal DNA sequences scattered through the genomes of present-day non-Africans.


The researchers identified a catalog of genetic features unique to modern humans by comparing the Neanderthal, human, and chimpanzee genomes. Genes involved in cognitive development, skull structure, energy metabolism, and skin morphology and physiology are among those highlighted in the study as likely to have undergone important changes in recent human evolution


Journal of the New Zealand Medical Association

02-March-2007, Vol 120 No 1250

Monoamine oxidase, addiction, and the “warrior” gene hypothesis
Rod Lea, Geoffrey Chambers

"The monoamine oxidase gene and behavioural traits
Monoamine oxidases (MAOs) are enzymes responsible for breaking down the neurotransmitters—serotonin, dopamine, and adrenalin—and are therefore capable of affecting mood. Indeed, MAO inhibitors (e.g. moclobemide) can effectively treat symptoms of depression and tobacco dependence. The activity of MAO enzymes can vary among individuals and is influenced by inherited genetic factors. Understanding the genetic variability of MAO activity and the linkage to drug response traits should assist in the design of more effective treatment options for certain clinical disorders.
The MAO genes are located on the X chromosome, thus males inherit only a single maternal copy. In 1997, Sabol et al reported that the MAO-A subtype contains a 30bp repeat polymorphism (MAO-A30bp-rpt) that is associated with transcriptional regulation (i.e. gene function). Hundreds of epidemiological studies of the MAO-A30bp-rpt variant have since been conducted and associations reported with psychiatric disorders including depression, anxiety, and addiction (e.g. tobacco dependence and alcoholism). Studies have also implicated the 3-repeat allele of MAO-A30bp-rpt, postulated to correspond to lower MAO-A activity and higher dopamine levels, with risk-taking and aggressive behaviour traits (see Merriman and Cameron’s article—Risk-taking: behind the warrior gene story—…). For the latter reason, Gibbons (2004) dubbed it a “warrior” gene."


Ethnic differences in MAO-A allele frequencies

MAO-A30bp-rpt allele frequencies appear to vary substantially between different worldwide ethnic groups (Table 1)

Table 1 [excerpt]. Estimates of MAO-A30bp-rpt (3-repeat) allele frequencies among ethnic groups

Ethnic Group 3-repeat Allele frequency (%)
Caucasian (males) 34
African (male + female) 59

You have "fuck you" on your side.

I have science on my side.

I know it hurts deep inside when your naive faith-based belief system is ruined by facts and logic... sorry about that.

You do your homework... which is a rarity. I would state though that there is statistical support for boys who grow up in broken families to commit more crimes. It doesn't matter the color of their skin. The real problem with there being more blacks in prison is because the black family in the inner city is a minority and is barely holding on. If Mr. X wants to help the black community, rather than calling people names, then help the black family. You do that by supporting churches, community centers, big brother organizations ... not by calling people racists. Those that resort to ignoring the facts, only hurt innocent blacks (remember that most crimes committed against blacks come from blacks). Real compassion chooses to look at the facts and be willing to try to help.

Ultimately ... black men need to step up and be men.
Mr. X - Keep on ignoring reality and facts like a stereotypical naive white seattle libtard. I have solid science and facts on my side. All you have are the measly words "racist" and "fuck". LOL @ you!
I wonder what has been happening around town lately? Hmmmmmmm...…

posted 10/25/10 05:27 PM | updated 10/25/10 05:27 PM

Fatal International District Shooting Sparked By Baby Mama Drama

By Jonah Spangenthal-Lee

A man suspected of fatally shooting another man in the International District over the weekend told police he was involved in a dispute with the victim after the victim accused him of sleeping with his "baby's mama."

According to police records, officers on patrol near 12th and Jackson heard gunfire around 2:40am Saturday morning, and saw a vehicle leaving the area.

Police stopped the vehicle, but the passenger fled. Officers later located the man—identified in police records as Pierce Alfonso Dubois, 27—running out of "The Jungle" at 10th and Dearborn, and arrested him. Police also arrested the driver of the vehicle, but later released him.

Gang detectives interviewed Dubois, who told police the victim "had accused Dubois of sleeping with the victim's 'baby's mama," SPD records say.

Police records note Dubois had blood on his clothing at the time of his arrest.

When police interviewed the driver of the vehicle stopped near the scene of the shooting, he told officers he had been with Dubois earlier in the evening, "clubbing in West Seattle," when Dubois said he needed to find the victim in the Central District.

The two men located the victim, and Dubois got out of the car and got into a fight. Dubois then came back to the car, went back to the victim, and opened fire, police records say.

Dubois has not yet been charged for the shooting, but is being held on $1 million bail in the King County Jail.
Mr X wrote: "Racists don't get the last word here.

If you really think blacks are genetically predisposed to crime, what would you do about it?"


The first step would be to be able to openly discuss the scientific facts (like the fact that blacks have much higher testosterone levels than whites, and that high testosterone levels make a person aggressive, impulsive, violent, and stupid) and actual on-the-ground facts (like the fact that black males - 3% of Seattle - really did commit half of all murders in Seattle in 2008 and 2009) without Politically Correct ninnies getting your naive sheltered white libtard panties in a big wad.

Science is going to completely steamroll all over your faith-based religion of bio-egalitarianism in the next few years. It already has, actually. The scientific and medical facts just don't get published in your favorite naive white libtard publications.

Please refer to my post at #82.

Climate change is real, no problem with it as a concept. The sun is slowly heating up which is why even the temperature on the planet Mars has been increasing. Also, I think that all the concrete, glass, and pollution here on earth also has some effect.
I wonder what is going on in the region today?

Soldier sentenced for pimping two teen girls

Story Published: Oct 26, 2010 at 11:21 AM PDT

TACOMA, Wash. - A sergeant at Joint Base Lewis-McChord has been sentenced to 11 years in prison for pimping two teenage girls, who allegedly traded sex for money under his direction and control.

Sgt. Sterling Terrance Hospedales, 27, will also have seven years of supervised release.

While handing down the sentence, Judge Benjamin Settle told Hospedales he brought disgrace to the uniform.


Last year, the two girls, ages 16 and 17, came to the attention of officers on the Innocence Lost Task Force, a federal organization that focuses on juveniles involved in prostitution cases.


The girls reported that Hospedales took any money that they earned and put it in a safe or in a drawer in his bedroom, according to court documents. The girls reported that Hospedales knew they were under 18 years old.

When officers looked through the girls' cell phones, there were several threatening messages from Hospedales demanding to know where they
were and what they were doing, charging papers said.


When arrested, Hospedales was carrying an envelope with $882 and a birth certificate belonging to one of the girls, according to court papers.
I wonder what else is going on in the region today? There is an informative video to go along with this story!

Woman choked during home invasion robbery

Submitted by KOMO Staff
Tuesday, October 26th, 07:35am

Police are looking for three men who broke into an apartment early Tuesday and choked the woman who lived there before robbing her, officials said.

Muriel Rose said she knew it was a mistake to answer when someone knocked on the door of her unit at the Victoria Park Apartments just after 5 a.m.

When she opened the door one of the men kicked it in, grabbed her throat and demanded cash, she said.

"Don't move b****, If you move I'll kill you!" Rose said, recounting what the man yelled. "He had a gun to my head."

Officers rushed to the apartments in the 1000 block of West Casino Road and searched the area with a police dog, but the robbers got away.

Rose was treated by medics at the scene and was not seriously injured.

Her boyfriend said he thinks he knows who two of the men are and gave the names to police

NWLSP has proven conclusively that black people are more likely to commit crimes than white people. What does NWLSP suggest that we do about this?

91 - I propose that first we need to be able to openly discuss the facts AT ALL.

Any discussion of the actual facts that contradict the naive faith-based religion of liberal progressivism / bioegalitarianism makes the uninformed sheltered little white libs freak out.

They are like the Catholic Church people who wanted to kill anyone who dared to state that the Earth is not flat.

So, before ANYTHING can be "done" about it, first we have to be able to honestly and comprehensively DISCUSS IT AT ALL without the libtarded Thought Police threatening violence with profanities.

I think that some measures of welfare reform and school reform would help. The liberal approach has failed. See for example the complete failure of the Seattle Public School's "African American Academy". It was supposed to "close the white-black achievement gap" by teaching black children a bunch of "Afrocentric" nonsense. In actual reality it consistently had the lowest achievement rate of any Seattle Public School and was ultimately closed not too long ago.
@93 - OK. What kind of welfare reform, what kind of school reform?

I guess the first question is -why- the crime rate among black people is higher. If we understand the cause, we can get to the problem. Any thoughts on that issue?
@92 For christ's sake, I'm trying to have a discussion here and you just godwin'd all over it.
@94 - What kind of welfare reform, what kind of school reform? - Welfare recipients receive mandatory birth control. Schools for blacks run more like military schools.

@ 94 "I guess the first question is -why- the crime rate among black people is higher."

Please refer to my post at #73 which provides links to medical studies showing that black males have much higher testosterone levels than white males, and that high testosterone levels indicate a higher tendency to be impulsive, aggressive, violent, and have a low IQ.

Also please refer to my post at #78 which shows that blacks have a higher 3-repeat Allele frequency ("The Warrior Gene").


I see! OK. So - you see this as being 100% biological? The disparities in the distribution of these genes doesn't seem large enough to me to account for the difference in violence that you cite. What else is going on here?

Also... mandatory sterilization and military-style education both involve suspensions of human rights. That's OK by you?
I meant temporary mandatory birth control, for the duration that the recipient is on welfare, not sterilization.

I do think that "white racism" as negatively contributed to the situation, but I also think that "white racism" is simply a natural response by whites to the behavior that whites observed in Africans and African-Americans.
Hey yall! I wonder what has been happening in downtown at that wonderful wholesome intersection of Second and Pine Seattle today??!!!!!!!??

Check out these photos!……

Check out this story!…

Man shot in head in downtown Seattle, suspect in custody

SEATTLE -- A man was rushed to the hospital after being shot in the head in downtown Seattle late Tuesday afternoon.

The incident unfolded at the northwest corner of Second Avenue and Pike Street at approximately 4:45 p.m.

It is not known what prompted the shooting, but police spokesman Jeff Kappel said the 31-year-old man was found lying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound. He was taken to Harborview Medical Center with life-threatening injuries.

Police have detained a suspected gunman. They've also recovered a handgun at the scene.

Witness Lloyd Hogan said he was inside a nearby chocolate shop when the incident occurred.

"The gunman was seen running up the alley. He went into Shaher's gyro shop at First and Pine, and he was hiding in the bathroom," he said.

The owner of that gyro shop, Shaher Abuerkheir, said he was at Nordstrom Rack when shots broke out.

"By the time I got out, I saw a guy running on Second Avenue .... with a gun in his hand," he said.

When he got back to his shop - Zaina Food, Drinks and Friends at 109 Pine St., Abuerkheir said, "All of a sudden, all the police came." He said he eventually figured out the suspected gunman, who'd ordered a sandwich, was hiding in the shop's bathroom.

"I told the police officer, 'He might be in my bathroom, using my bathroom,"' he said. "About 10 minutes later, the guy comes out of my bathroom with his hands up."

"They had like six guns pointed at him," Hogan said. "They put him in a squad car, and whisked him away."

The suspect has not been identified, and homicide detectives are investigating.
Downtown shooting perp = "Kenneth Leroy J Taylor".

BA: 210036567. Booked today for Attempted Murder 2 at 4:11 pm.

Cause No: 101092214.

Total Bail = $500,000. Thanks King County Jail Inmate Lookup Service!
OK. How does the mandatory birth control help the violence problem? (Apart from decreasing the number of black people?)

If white racism is caused by white people being able to see the black people are inherently more violent and unstable, why did we choose to bring them to this country as slaves?

What is the military-school type education that you mentioned meant to prepare black children for, and how does it stop them from being violent?

"How does the mandatory birth control help the violence problem? "

> Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of black teenage girls wouldn't be having babies every year that they end up resenting and abusing.

"If white racism is caused by white people being able to see the black people are inherently more violent and unstable, why did we choose to bring them to this country as slaves?"

> Slavery of Africans was the stupidest mistake that Europeans and Euro-Americans ever made in history. I think that Africa should have been completely avoided by European explorers and empires. I often wonder how far Africans would have progressed on their own if they had no contact or only very limited contact with Europeans. What do you think Africa would be like today if Europeans had avoided it?

"What is the military-school type education that you mentioned meant to prepare black children for, and how does it stop them from being violent?"

> Hopefully it will teach them the values of discipline and self-control and instill a sense of honorable behavior. It doesn't necessarily have to be a military-oriented school with military training, but there should be high standards and strict discipline at least.

In other news.... ho hum.

posted 10/26/10 03:02 PM

More Details On Shooting At MLK and Graham

By Jonah Spangenthal-Lee

A police report released this week gives a few more details on a shooting in broad daylight at a busy intersection in South Seattle.

Just before 5:00pm on October 19th, police received reports of gunfire at Martin Luther King Jr Way S and S Graham St.

Witnesses told police a 17-year-old boy had walked out into the middle of Graham street and fired five shots at a red Cadillac. He then fled eastbound on Graham.

The victim also drove off southbound.

Police found broken glass at the scene, but no shell casings or victims.

Officers let all hospitals in the area know to be on the lookout for any incoming gunshot victims.

About three hours after the shooting, gang unit detectives spotted the 17-year-old suspect in the 48th Ave S and S Kenyon St.

After a brief foot chase, police found the teen hiding in a shed in the backyard of a home. Officers also recovered a revolver nearby.

The 17-year-old was booked into the Youth Service Center. (!)

We haven't heard anything about police locating a victim in the shooting, but we'll check around this afternoon and see if we can find out a bit more about this incident.
Oops sorry forgot the link for above...…
OK, a little correction is in order. Apparently "Kenneth Leroy J Taylor" isn't the suspect for today's murder downtown at 2nd and Pike.

"Kenneth Leroy J Taylor" is just SOME OTHER BLACK GUY who was ALSO booked into jail today for SOME OTHER attempted murder. Sorry for my mistake!

The black guy who apparently murdered the man downtown today is named "Tomas Afeworki", at least according to the updated KOMO story:…

Man shot in head in downtown Seattle dies in hospital

SEATTLE -- A man was fatally shot in the head in downtown Seattle late Tuesday afternoon.

The incident unfolded at the northwest corner of Second Avenue and Pike Street at approximately 4:41 p.m.

It is not known what prompted the shooting, but police spokesman Jeff Kappel said the 31-year-old man was found lying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound. He was taken to Harborview Medical Center where he later died from his injuries.

Police have detained Tomas Afeworki, 27, who is suspected in the shooting. They've also recovered a handgun at the scene.

Relevant photos here:……

Man Shot and Killed in Downtown Seattle (UPDATED)

By Tom Fucoloro

posted 10/26/10 05:15 PM
updated 10/26/10 07:40 PM

... "Sources tell us gang units are on scene."

... UPDATE 6:42 p.m.

According to court records, the man arrested in the shooting has a long rap sheet going back to 1999, when he was a juvenile. Court records indicate the man has convictions for theft, assault (three times), resisting arrest, drug and unlawful weapons possession, burglary, and unlawful imprisonment.

Update 7:39: Police confirm that the victim has died.

Where did all the people who were vehemently telling me that I am so so so wrong go?

Remember what started this whole hoo-ha off?…

"State Supreme Court justices Richard Sanders and James Johnson stunned some participants at a recent court meeting when they said African Americans are overrepresented in the prison population because they commit a disproportionate number of crimes.


Sanders later confirmed his remarks about imprisoned African Americans, saying "certain minority groups" are "disproportionally represented in prison because they have a crime problem."

"That's right," he told The Seattle Times this week. "I think that's obvious."

Eli, do you still think Judge Sanders was incorrect?

I don't actually expect you to respond, and actually I sympathize with you, because in this thread I have completely and utterly destroyed your naive uninformed liberal faith-based religious fantasy that blacks don't commit the most violent crimes of any race in the USA.

Do any of you naive sheltered close-minded uninformed white Seattle libtard progressives still think that Judge Sanders was incorrect in his statements?
Have you noticed that all the right-wingers argue the same now?

BTW, I remember these exact same arguments from the local skinheads back in the late 80s in Orange County CA
P.S. Yawn.
Hey everybody!

Did any of you naive sheltered white libtards notice that A BLACK GUY killed somebody by shooting the victim in the head just YESTERDAY???

It is almost like the universe itself is conspiring to prove, beyond all doubt, that what I wrote on the Judge Sanders threads is the absolute undeniable truth!

Just another black murderer in Seattle. Ho hum!

Unless there are some corresponding white-committed murders that never got reported, the truth is still the truth:

Black males, less than 3% of Seattle, commit at least HALF OF ALL MURDERS in Seattle every year.

Keep on ignoring reality, naive white Seattle libtards.

Call me a racist, call me Hitler, call me a fag, call me any name you want.

One thing YOU CAN'T call me is INCORRECT.
Oops, for clarification that should have read:

"...notice that A BLACK GUY killed somebody in downtown Seattle..."

I don't want any of you naive white seattle libtards to get confused about where I meant.

So you are claiming that the peer-reviewed medical study I cited at #73 that prove that blacks have significantly higher testosterone levels than whites is "psudeoscience".

You are trying to claim that the 2 other peer-reviewed medical studies I cited at #73 that higher testosterone levels cause aggression, impulsive violent behavior, and low IQ are "psudeoscience".

You are trying to claim that the peer-reviewed study by the Journal of the New Zealand Medical Association that proves that blacks have a higher frequency of the "warrior gene" than whites do is "psudeoscience".

You have now proven yourself to be a religious fanatic who ignores the most up-to-date scientific findings regarding human biodiversity.

You keep on desperately clinging to your faith-based religion of bioegalitarianism. I will stick with science and facts.
Explain in detail exactly how my conclusions are false. I arrived at my conclusion by following logic.

1. Blacks have much higher testosterone levels than whites.

2. People with higher testosterone levels have been conclusively shown to be more aggressive, violent, impulsive, and stupid.

3. Blacks have a significantly higher frequency of "the warrior gene" than whites do, which has been conclusively linked to higher aggression, gang violence, and substance abuse addictions.

THEREFORE: A big part of the reason why blacks commit the most violent crimes in the USA and the rest of the world is that they are genetically predisposed to aggressive impulsive behavior.

Also, call me a racist all you want, I am one!

However, saying my conclusions are false WITHOUT OFFERING ANY EVIDENCE to back up your assertion that my conclusions are false simply proves what a religious fanatic you are for your fact-ignoring faith-based religion of naive libtarded progressivism.
Hey lookie lookie! Another great photo of the BLACK GUY who MURDERED someone in downtown Seattle yesterday!!!!…

If Judge Sanders was SO WRONG, then where are all the white murderers in Seattle? Are a lot of white people committing murders in Seattle that don't ever even get reported in the news or police reports at all???

Keep on ignoring reality, you religious fanatic.

"Police said the suspect, who turned 27 last month, listed a Lynnwood address and has a violent history. Court documents show his previous convictions include cocaine possession, violating a domestic violence no-contact order, second-degree assault, resisting arrest, fourth-degree assault and first-degree theft."

"Tuesday's shooting death is the 17th homicide in the city of Seattle this year and the 14th by way of guns, not including two fatal officer-involved shootings still under review. Last year, Seattle reached 16 homicides with the Halloween shooting death of officer Timothy Brenton."


The last shooting death occurred just last Saturday, when 29-year-old Jarrett Jackson [BLACK] was shot to death near 12th Avenue South and South Jackson Street. Court documents indicate that incident followed an accusation of cheating." = BLACK!!!!!!
"Most black people are law abiding citizens - therefore your conclusions are false"

@123 - You are being dishonest and you know it. I never once wrote that ALL blacks are criminals. I simply pointed out the factual evidence that indicates that black males have a greater potential for violent behavior than whites. I also pointed out and proved that black males commit the most violent crimes in Seattle and in the USA.

"Back when Italians were the underclass of America" blah blah blah. I guess you haven't noticed all the problems Italy has been having with mafias lately.

Keep on clinging to your faith-based fantasy, you naive religious fanatic.

I think you are just trolling me and that you don't even really believe most of the shit you write, because it is so stupid and fact-ignoring.

I think you are actually a vicious parody of a stereotypical fact-ignoring, reality-ignoring, science-ignoring naive white Seattle libtarded progressive.

I couldn't create a better vicious parody of a typical white Seattle libtard than the example provided by YOU!!!!

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