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I wonder what Sanders would say if you rang him up for comment today.
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Here we go again!

Do you think Eli will ever address these facts, or will he just keep on ignoring/being offended at reality like a stereotypical naive, sheltered, close-minded white Seattle libtarded progressive?

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According to the US Department of Justice and the FBI, approximately 5,000 to 8,000 black people are murdered in the USA every year, and at least 94% of their murderers are also black.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offense…

Murders in the USA in 2009
White murderers = 5,286 (33.5% of the murderers in the USA in 2009)
Black murderers = 5,890 (37.4% of the murderers in the USA in 2009)

Now I know most of you naive white Seattle libtards naively think the USA is something like 50% white and 50% black, because that is what you see portrayed on tv shows and advertisements, but the reality is that the USA is about 75% white and only about 13% black. This means that blacks commit murder at a rate of about 5 to 7 times the rate that whites commit murder, depending on the year.

Let's take a closer look at Seattle!

http://tinyurl.com/no5knk

Extrapolated from the article "List of 2008 homicides in Seattle" from the Seattle PI

selected from the list of the 28 Seattle homicides in 2008....

Allen Joplin, Jan. 4 -- black killed by black

De'Che Morrison, Jan. 10 -- black killed by black

Maurice "Moe" Allen Jr., Jan. 26 -- black killed by black

Degene Barecha, Jan. 30 -- black killed by black

Perry Henderson, Feb. 6 -- black killed by black

Stephan Dwaine Stewart, April 2 -- black killed by black

Eldora Earlycutt, July 4 -- black killed by black

James Paroline, July 10 -- white killed by black

Troy Peters, July 22 -- black killed by black

Pierre Lapoint, Aug. 5 -- black killed by black

Jane Kariuki, Oct. 16 -- woman of undisclosed race killed by black man

Quincy S. Coleman, Oct. 31 -- black killed by black

Edward McMichael, the "Tuba Man", Nov. 3 -- white killed by multiple blacks

Nathaniel Lee Thomas, Nov. 23 -- black killed by black

Blacks (8% of Seattle) were the killers in at least half (that's at least 50%) of the murders in the Seattle area in 2008. At least five of the other murderers were latinos.

Now let's take a look at 2009!
http://tinyurl.com/2aa88vd

The link above is to the Seattle PI's article on homicides in Seattle in 2009.

At least twelve of the 21 murders in Seattle in 2009 were committed by blacks, only 8% of Seattle.

Of the 27 officers that were shot and killed by criminals in the last 20 years in King and Pierce county, 21 of them were shot by black men, even though black men make up less than 3% of the population.

SO! Are you naive white libtards at the Stranger trying to claim that there were a bunch of homicides committed by whites that were not prosecuted, or that some of those murders committed by blacks in 2008 and 2009 were not committed by blacks, but by some other race? I just can't figure out your "logic" here.

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Let's look at some stats in Atlanta. According to cityrating.com Atlanta's population is 431,043. There are about 149 murders per year in Atlanta (4.5 times the national average).

Let's check out Portland, OR with a population of 545,271. Portland, with a population over 100,000 more than Atlanta, has about 27 murders.

Portland = 76% white, only about 7% black

Atlanta = 31% white, 61% black.

How about New York City?

http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homici…

New York Times - New York City Interactive Homicide Map:

Blacks = 60% of the killers, 60% of the victims

Whites = 7% of the killers, 8% of the victims

Blacks = 26% of NYC population

Whites = 35% of NYC population

So what do we surmise with these stats? Answer: More black people equals more murders.

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Before all you Naive White Seattle Libtarded Progressives start going "yeah but whites make up most of the child molesters", please be aware of the following fact:

Be aware that the FBI and USDOJ count non-white Mestizos (the ethnic term for most of the "Mexicans" or "Latinos" or "Hispanics" in the USA) as being WHITE in the "Offender" category (but not in the "Victim" category for some reason), which unfairly raises the reported "white crime rate" much higher than it actually is.

Almost every Police Department in the USA also do the same thing.

Just about every state and local agency does this. Here are some examples from Washington state. Do this guy "GERONIMO RIOS RAMIREZ" listed with the Yakima County Sherrif's Office Sex Offender page look white to you???

http://tinyurl.com/2e8q5nb

Search for yourself:
http://www.icrimewatch.net/index.php?Age…

The Washington State Patrol does the exact same thing. Go to their "Most Wanted" page and check out all the amazing diversity there! Then click on one of the brown, non-white latino mexican whatevers. THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS BEING "WHITE"!

http://www.wsp.wa.gov/crime/wanted.php

How about Texas, where all the rednecks live?

Go look at the Texas Sex Offender Registry:

https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WE…

Search by any zip code (75214 or 75247 is a good start) you choose and choose a sex offender with an obviously Spanish name and look at his photo and compare it with his racial classification. Notice anything funny??? The sex offender is classified as "white" even though he is a brown, non-white, "latino/hispanic/chicano/mestizo/choose your favorite politically-correct term" person and OBVIOUSLY NOT a white guy.

Like this very very brown "white" guy: http://tinyurl.com/22mtuv5

I have done a thorough study of the Texas Sex Offender site and well over half of all the so-called "white" sex offenders listed there ARE NOT ACTUALLY WHITE AT ALL.

This unfair and inaccurate classification of non-whites as being "white" wrongly inflates the "white crime rate", especially "white sex offender rate" FAR HIGHER than it actually is in reality.

SO WHICH IS IT, NAIVE UNINFORMED CLOSE-MINDED WHITE SEATTLE LIBTARDS? ARE THEY "PEOPLE OF COLOR", OR ARE THEY WHITE? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!

Now go ahead, naive white libtards at The Stranger, call me "ignorant" or just outright censor this comment. That will only prove that you can't face up to the facts.

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Now, to address the some stuff from the Seattle Times article on the original incident with Judge Sanders:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/lo…

"Justice Debra Stephens said she heard Sanders and Johnson make the comments, including Johnson using the words "you all" or "you people" when he stated that African Americans commit crimes in their own communities."

SO WHAT? I hear black "leaders" referring to "my people" or "our people" all the goddamn time, so why is it terribly offensive if some white guy says essentially the same thing?
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"Bondon said she remembered thinking that she didn't need data or statistics to prove that she and other African Americans don't have a predisposition for criminality.

"Just the idea that it was necessary to disprove the assertion was sickening," Bondon said."

WELL, BRONDON, I JUST DID YOUR WORK FOR YOU, AND YOU TOTALLY LOST THE DEBATE. Doesn't it reflect terribly on the so-called professionalism of Bondon that she thinks the doesn't even need to back up her naive assertions with ACTUAL FACTS????????

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Hmmmm, I wonder what has been happening around town lately???

http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/25/the-w…

"On 10/24/10, at approximately 2:08 a.m., a the Restaurant/Lounge in the 6900 block of MLK Wy had just closed up and the victim was leaving. He stated that as he was walking away from the business crossing the street when he was shot.

Officers in the area heard one shot and shortly after that the call came out. The victim ran back to the restaurant where he was contacted. Seattle Fire Department personnel responded and transported the victim to an area hospital with a gunshot wound to his butt.

The Gang unit responded but there was no scene and the victim was not talking."

NO SNITCHIN' YO!!!!

= BLACKS!

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http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/22/three…

Three Teenage Girls Mug Woman In the Central District

= BLACKS!!!
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Man Robbed During Craigslist Sale

http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/22/the-m…

A man called police from 31st and S Morgan St on October 18th, and said he'd just been robbed by a man who had contacted him through Craigslist

The man met the suspect around 6:00 to sell him a phone to for $750, according to a police report.

When the victim showed the suspect the phone, the suspect—described as a "black male with a heavy build, 18 - 20 years old, 6 feet tall, wearing a black puffy jacket"

= BLACK!

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http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/21/gang-…

Gang Member Shot By D-Dub Rivals, Then Charged For Gun Possession

= BLACKS!!!!

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http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/21/polic…

Police: Madrona Arson Was Burglary Cover-Up

= BLACK!!!!
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http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/21/polic…

Police Arrest 17-Year-Old Shooting Suspect In South Seattle

= BLACK!!!!

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http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/21/the-m…

The Morning Blotter: Catcaller Pulls Knife on Couple After Commenting on Woman's Pants

= BLACK!

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http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/20/polic…

Police Chase, Arrest Man Wanted In Gang Shootings

= BLACK!

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http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/20/polic…

The Morning Blotter: Suspects In Community Center Shooting Tried to Rob Victim

wait for it, wait for it...

= BLACKS!!!!

AND THAT IS JUST FROM THE CURRENT FRONT PAGE OF SEATTLECRIME.COM at 10:14 am, Oct. 25, 2101.

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REST IN PEACE TUBA MAN!!!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/lo…

April 3, 2009

"3 plead guilty in Tuba Man slaying but won't serve much time

Three teenagers have pleaded guilty in the beating death of Seattle's "Tuba Man" but none will spend more than 72 weeks in juvenile detention for their crimes. King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg announced the guilty pleas Friday and called the maximum sentences the teens face "inadequate" and "not enough punishment."
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http://www.king5.com/news/local/Teen-Tub…

April 7, 2010

Teen 'Tuba Man' killer charged with robbery

SEATTLE – A 16-year-old boy who spent just three months behind bars after being sentenced for killing Seattle's "Tuba Man" in 2008 is now charged with a new crime, second-degree robbery.

According to probable cause documents, Seattle Police say on Jan. 22, the suspect approached a 17-year-old boy at the Garfield Teen Life Center at 428 23rd Avenue and asked for $5. The victim said he didn't have the money and then went inside the center.

A few minutes later, the victim says the suspect approached him again, this time accompanied by four juvenile males. The suspect again asked for five dollars. When the victim said he didn't have the money, the group checked his pockets. One of them allegedly said "It feels like you have an iPod or something in your pocket." The group then left.

A couple minutes later, police say the victim went outside and was approached and surrounded by the group. "One of them went into (the victim's) pocket and took his MP3 player," wrote Det. Mikel W. Rideaux. "Someone else then punched (the victim) in the mouth and another person took his wallet."

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http://www.mynorthwest.com/category/loca…

Jul 27, 2010 - 9:06 am

Teens convicted in Tuba Man death face new charges

By HEATHER BOSCH
KIRO Radio

Two of the teenagers, convicted in the killing of Seattle icon "Tuba Man," are back in trouble.

King County prosecutors say one of the teens faces trial next month for a robbery last spring. A second teen is being held for a robbery that happened Saturday night.

Both pleaded guilty to manslaughter in the death of Ed McMichael, the beloved "Tuba Man" who played outside Seattle sporting events for years.

"We always thought that the punishment they received for killing our brother was much too light," said Kelsey McMichael, brother of Ed McMichael, on an appearance on KIRO Radio's Dori Monson Show.
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Let's wrap it up!

Blacks committed at least 14 of the 28 homicides in Seattle in 2008.

Blacks committed at least 12 of the 21 homicides in Seattle in 2009.

Seattle is only 8% black, which logically means that "crime age" black males ages 14-55 make up about 3% of Seattle or less.

From the Seattle Times article:

"State Supreme Court justices Richard Sanders and James Johnson stunned some participants at a recent court meeting when they said African Americans are overrepresented in the prison population because they commit a disproportionate number of crimes.
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"Sanders later confirmed his remarks about imprisoned African Americans, saying "certain minority groups" are "disproportionally represented in prison because they have a crime problem."

"That's right," he told The Seattle Times this week. "I think that's obvious."

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THEREFORE: Only a complete idiot or a sheltered naive white Seattle libtard would dispute Judge Sanders' statement or get offended by it.
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The only way Wiggins will win is if he runs TV ads. Haven't seen any yet. Ergo, he will loose.
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OK, I'm ready for that NWLSP blocker now. This is the second thread he's been choking up with his "proven facts" today. He's totally littering up SLOG with this repetitive crap, typed and re-typed with so little thought apparent that it's like the cotton candy of blog commenting, and dirty slimy cotton candy at that.

It's bad enough that he's racist, but he's so TEDIOUS too. Does ANYONE have a way of shutting him up? Can someone get him a job or something?
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I hate to feed this disgusting piece of shit troll but here you go: NWLSP: If your goal is to make people realize that black people are inherently "evil" then you should pack up and take your kkk hood back to the deep South where you will belong. Us "naive white libtard progressives" take a look at the facts- which over overwhelmingly show that there are much deeper much more disturbing trends happening.
Here are some facts for you(I know how you like your "proven facts"):

Although White youth sell and use drugs at the same or higher rates as youth of color,(1) Black and Latino youth are arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned at dramatically higher rates for drug crimes. In 1980, 14.5% of all juvenile drug arrests were Black youth; by 1990, Black youth constituted 48.8% of juvenile drug arrests.(2) A Black youth with a drug case is more than twice as likely to be held in police custody for a drug offense than a White youth.(3) While half of all drug arrests involving White youth result in formal processing, 75% of drug arrests involving Black youth are prosecuted.(4) Among young people incarcerated in juvenile facilities for the first time on a drug charge, the rate of commitment among Black youth is 48 times that of Whites, while the rate for Latino youth is 13 times that of Whites.(5) Black youth are three times more likely than White youth to be admitted to an adult prison for a drug conviction.(6) While the rate of young Whites being sent to prison for drug offenses from 1986-1996 doubled, the comparable Black rate increased six-fold.(7)
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"If your goal is to make people realize that black people are inherently "evil""

No, my goal is to make you realize that getting mad at Judge Sanders for stating easily-proven facts is a dumb thing for you to be doing.

You are discussing drug dealing, I'm not. The ONLY crime I discussed is HOMICIDE.

And the facts are....

Blacks committed at least 14 of the 28 homicides in Seattle in 2008. (= HALF THE HOMICIDES IN SEATTLE THAT YEAR!)

Blacks committed at least 12 of the 21 homicides in Seattle in 2009. (= HALF THE HOMICIDES IN SEATTLE THAT YEAR!)

Seattle is only 8% black, which logically means that "crime age" black males ages 14-55 make up about 3% of Seattle or less.
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Njoy, thanks for trying, but really, there's no use. This is not open to discussion for him. He just types the same crap over and over, and sometimes he adds caps.
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WHY CAN"T YOU GUYS ACKNOWLEDGE THAT RACISM IS EVIL!!!!
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Why won't you people admit that racism is EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??
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@8 The lengths to which you will go to avoid addressing the facts that black males (3% of Seattle) committed of half the homicides in Seattle in 2008 and 2009 are hilarious and pathetic.

Judge Sanders said the reason more blacks are in prison is because they commit more crimes. You naive, sheltered white libtards in Seattle got mad at him for that. I proved that black males committed at least half the homicides in Seattle in 2008 and 2009. Therefore, Judge Sanders is correct.

Aren't you guys supposed to be "the smart ones"????

LOL!
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Your honor, Racism is evil. Case closed. -Steve Winwood
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@12 - stating indisputable, easily proven facts is "Racism"???

Pathetic, naive, reality-ignoring liberal progressivism strikes again!
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@13 Cue that stupid song from ten years ago: “So you had a bad day / a neener neener neener…” I dont know the lyrics, I just know that first part of the You Had a Bad Day song.

For real friend, what's with the pissy attitude?
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Maybe there will be enough of a "throw the bums out" mentality, combined with the "High Court Hypocrisy" tome (so long), and the Olympian and Times endorsements (that are really admonishments of Sanders), to push the needle to Wiggins.

Just so long as the "progressives" who only care about pot don't go and fuck it up.
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NWLSP, you are the one who twisted the subject to Seattle homicides to argue your facts. The Sanders quote was in relation to the inordinate percentage of blacks that are incarcerated in Washington State for all crime. Whites commit far more crimes than blacks (including murder) at a statewide level.
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Despite the fact that every time I see his name I hear Eliza Doolittle in my head singing "JUST YOU WAIT CHARLIE WIGGINS", I voted for him. I hope that his tenure is significantly dull that the next time I have to endure my brain rebelling against me with one of my most hated musicals is in 6 years when it's time to re-elect him.
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"Whites commit far more crimes than blacks (including murder) at a statewide level. "

ARE YOU JUST REALLY FUCKING STUPID or are you just totally unaware the state population percentages and of how stats work?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/…

Whites = 83.8% of Washington State
Blacks = 3.9% of Washington State

SO OF COURSE THERE WILL BE "MORE" CRIMES COMMITTED BY WHITES THAN BY BLACKS IN WASHINGTON STATE!!!

THERE ARE FAR MORE WHITES IN WASHINGTON STATE THAN BLACKS!!

BIG FUCKING DUH! GODDAMMIT!

Do you have the logical sense to figure out exactly how awful the black violent crime rate would be in Washington State if blacks made up 50% or even just 20% of the state's population instead of the measly 3.9% they make up now?

GODDAMN YOU LIBTARDS ARE STUPID
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@18 - You're getting closer. You just need to continue to extrapolate all the way through the sentencing process of the judicial system. Why are blacks overrepresented in prison as a percentage of crimes committed?
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"Why are blacks overrepresented in prison as a percentage of crimes committed?"

Because blacks commit more crimes, especially violent crimes, per-capita. I proved it but you refuse to accept it.
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"SO OF COURSE THERE WILL BE "MORE" CRIMES COMMITTED BY WHITES THAN BY BLACKS IN WASHINGTON STATE!!! "

"Because blacks commit more crimes, especially violent crimes, per-capita. I proved it but you refuse to accept it."

Back-to-back quotes of yours. Question still stands as to why you think blacks are overrepresented in prison populations.
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Blacks make up only 8% of Seattle and only 3.9% of Washington State.

Obviously, what Seattle and Washington State need are MORE BLACKS!!!!!

Won't that be wonderful? Then you naive sheltered white Seattle libtarded progressives can really put your amazing reality-ignoring powers to the test!
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@21 - do you have difficulty reading?

"Question still stands as to why you think blacks are overrepresented in prison populations."

A: BECAUSE THEY COMMIT MORE PROPERTY CRIMES AND MORE VIOLENT CRIMES PER-CAPITA!

Do you want me to go back over that whole "half the homicides in Seattle in the last few years were committed by black males, and black males make up about 3% of Seattle" thing AGAIN?

What is it that you are having trouble understanding here?
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Forget your per-capita confusion for a second. And hopefully you'll have the real figures handy (I don't) but let's be conservative:

- Whites commit 80% of total crimes that are punishable by time in prison.
- Minorities commit 20% of total crimes that are punishable by time in prison.
- Yet the minority prison population is 25% of the total.

What would you attribute this discrepancy to?
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Pretty sure NWLSP is actually Sanders' sock puppet.

The "why" of crime numbers is easy to understand, if you have a burning, virulent hatred of black people.
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"What would you attribute this discrepancy to?"

One big reason is that whites are simply better (like they are at most things) at planning and committing crimes and getting away with them.

Blacks often have prior criminal records that make them get longer sentences. Blacks often stand out on the corner with weed-logo t-shirts and blatantly sell drugs. Whites usually sell drugs discreetly, in their homes and apartments.

Stuff like that.
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So it is not so much that you libtards deny that blacks commit higher rates of crime than you make excuses and propose ‘theories’ to explain why blacks commit crimes at higher rates.

With blacks, there’s always a theory, always an excuse.
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Actually, I think the criminal system is too soft on black criminals. How many times do we read about a black criminal that committed a rape, assault or even murder that had previous convictions? Often. Most black criminals that are convicted of rape, armed robbery and assault have had prior convictions and in some cases a very long rap sheet. The fact is they usually serve only a relatively short-time or plea-bargain the first time around.
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@26 - I'm assuming in my fake numbers that these criminals have all been caught for their crimes. Anyway, at least you finally understand the gist of what people are upset with Sanders about. Numerous studies have shown race and social standing play a significant role in sentencing so it's pretty disheartening to hear a judge dismiss those findings.
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"Numerous studies have shown race and social standing play a significant role in sentencing"

Are you trying to claim that the blacks who committed half the murders in Seattle in 2008 and 2009 are actually innocent?

I'll write it again:

So it isn't that you deny that blacks commit higher rates of crime than you make excuses and propose ‘theories’ to explain why blacks commit crimes at higher rates.

With blacks, there’s always a theory, always an excuse.

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@30 - Nobody is denying blacks have a higher crime rate than whites as a population segment and, in fact, I was the first person to comment in the original post Eli made that said Sander's comments weren't all that stunning as it was "pretty obvious" there is a crime problem there. But my mistake was one of context because Sanders was really being asked about the incarceration rates. I've just been playing along in our back-and-forth as if you might have made a similar mistake but it's clear to everyone that you are just a racist prick.
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Of course I'm a racist prick. Why shouldn't I be one?

Now please point out where I was wrong. Oh yeah, you can't.
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***Justice Sanders' recent comments on race are "amazing" and "naïve."***

How about based on empirical data and consistent with global trends?

See Chapter 7 of Biosocial criminology: new directions in theory and research edited by Anthony Walsh & Kevin M Beaver.

Chapter 7 - Biosocial criminology

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***Is it possible that poverty and racism play a role in the high rate of criminality among african amercans? ***

Possibly, but that does not explain the full difference. Also, East Asians and those of Jewish ancestry have never had elevated crime rates even when living in poverty in the US or facing discrimination.

See p32, 33 of Crime: A Biosocial Analysis

You need to consider factors like testosterone, MAO-A variants & other factors which vary between groups and may increase the risk of offending.
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NWLSP:
Where on earth do you get the idea that white people are smarter than blacks when it comes to crime? You're "facts" are disgustingly skewed to rationalize the fear you have of black people. Do you honestly think that is why there are are a disproportionate amount of blacks incarcerated? Because they aren't as smart? You do realize we have a black president, right? Just because you are black does not make you mentally inferior. Have you ever even talked to a black person? It's no coincidence that the children born into poverty grow up to make up most of the crime stats. These neighborhoods that you are so afraid of, that house black people, get less funding for things like education, after school programs, and countless other deterrents for crime. They also make excellent stops for cops trying to make arrests for their monthly quotas. Have you ever even heard of institutionalized racism? Racial profiling? How could you ignore these things? Have you ever stepped outside of your white suburban neighborhood? You're a complete idiot and it is so so sad. Heartbreaking really. You're so short sided and full of hate, it's a wonder you haven't imploded on yourself.
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@38. Funniest part about your comment is how you assume that I have no contact with blacks and don't live around large groups of them. I have more in-depth contact with more blacks in a single day than most of you naive white Seattleites EVEN SEE in a week.
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"You're so short sided and full of hate"

Yes, I hate them so bad that I wish they would stop killing each other at the epidemic-level rates that they currently do!

I hate them so much that I wish they would not kill each other or commit crimes AT ALL!!!

Now that is some serious hate!
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***I think there are many reasons for the disproportionate incarceration rate of blacks. I think Justice Sanders comments were a blaise dismissal of a complex social problem.***

His comment that they are incarcerated at a higher rate due to higher levels of crime is hardly controversial though. See the statistics in the books I linked above.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34557…

J Natl Cancer Inst. 1986

Serum testosterone levels in healthy young black and white men.

Ross R, Bernstein L, Judd H, Hanisch R, Pike M, Henderson B.
Abstract

Blacks in the United States have the highest prostate cancer rate in the world and nearly twice that of whites in the United States. The 2:1 black-to-white ratio in prostate cancer rates is already apparent at age 45 years, the age at which the earliest prostate cancer cases occur. This finding suggests that the factor(s) responsible for the difference in rates occurs, or first occurs, early in life. Testosterone has been hypothesized to play a role in the etiology of prostate cancer, because testosterone and its metabolite, dihydrotestosterone, are the principal trophic hormones that regulate growth and function of epithelial prostate tissue. This report gives the results of assays of circulating steroid hormone levels in white and black college students in Los Angeles, CA. Mean testosterone levels in blacks were 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher. Both these differences were statistically significant. Adjustment by analysis of covariance for time of sampling, age, weight, alcohol use, cigarette smoking, and use of prescription drugs somewhat reduced the differences. After these adjustments were made, blacks had a 15% higher testosterone level and a 13% higher free testosterone level. A 15% difference in circulating testosterone levels could readily explain a twofold difference in prostate cancer risk.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31128684/

Boys with ‘warrior gene’ likely to join gangs
Aggressive trait also linked to violence, weapon use, new study finds

Boys who have a so-called "warrior gene" are more likely to join gangs and also more likely to be among the most violent members and to use weapons, a new study finds.

"While gangs typically have been regarded as a sociological phenomenon, our investigation shows that variants of a specific MAOA gene, known as a 'low-activity 3-repeat allele,' play a significant role," said biosocial criminologist Kevin M. Beaver of Florida State University.

In 2006, the controversial warrior gene was implicated in the violence of the indigenous Maori people in New Zealand, a claim that Maori leaders dismissed.

But it's no surprise that genes would be involved in aggression. Aggression is a primal emotion like many others, experts say, and like cooperation, it is part of human nature, something that's passed down genetically. And almost all mammals are aggressive in some way or another, said Craig Kennedy, professor of special education and pediatrics at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, whose research last year suggested that humans crave violence just like they do sex, food or drugs.

"Previous research has linked low-activity MAOA variants to a wide range of antisocial, even violent, behavior, but our study confirms that these variants can predict gang membership," says Beaver, the Florida State researcher. "Moreover, we found that variants of this gene could distinguish gang members who were markedly more likely to behave violently and use weapons from members who were less likely to do either."

Violent traits are hereditary
The MAOA gene affects levels of neurotransmitters such as dopamine and serotonin that are related to mood and behavior, and those variants that are related to violence are hereditary, according to a statement from the university.

The new study examined DNA data and lifestyle information drawn from more than 2,500 respondents to the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Beaver and colleagues from Florida State, Iowa State and Saint Louis universities will detail their findings in a forthcoming issue of the journal Comprehensive Psychiatry.

A separate study at Brown University from earlier this year found that individuals with the warrior gene display higher levels of aggression in response to provocation.

Over networked computers, 78 test subjects were asked to cause physical pain to an opponent they believed had taken money from them by administering varying amounts of hot sauce. While the results were not dramatic, low-activity MAOA subjects displayed slightly higher levels of aggression overall, the researchers said.

The Brown University results, published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, support previous research suggesting that MAOA influences aggressive behavior, the scientists said.
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http://bbh.hhdev.psu.edu/labs/behavioral…

"Humans may have evolved with testosterone because the hormone is useful in conflict situations. Booth has shown that levels of it rise in chess players, wrestlers and tennis players before a match. Studies have shown that women with high levels of testosterone might choose male-dominated occupations more than other women.

In men, high levels of testosterone are also associated with better health. High-T men are less likely to be obese, for example, and generally have a stronger cardiovascular system.

But in men, who produce about seven times more testosterone than women, too much of the hormone can cause antisocial and risky behavior. High-T men are more likely to commit a crime, according to past studies.

“Men with high levels of testosterone are more likely to be unfaithful, abusive and less close in relationships with their wives,” Booth said. They’re more likely to divorce. Some high-T men aren’t good marriage partners.”

Fathers with high levels of testosterone often don’t have good relationships with their kids, Booth said. But there are many men with high levels of testosterone who do well.

My three-year study is the biggest and most comprehensive of its kind, say researchers Alan Booth, a professor of sociology and human development."
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Testosterone and ruthless homicide

James M. Dabbs, Jr., Jasmin K. Riadb and Susan E. Chancea

Department of Psychology, Georgia State University, Georgia, Atlanta, GA30303, USA

University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware, USA
Received 21 January 2000;
revised 20 June 2000;
accepted 16 July 2000
Available online 9 July 2001.

Abstract

Prior studies have found higher levels of testosterone among persons who commit violent crimes than among those who commit nonviolent crimes. The present study examined data from 230 male prison inmates to determine how testosterone levels might relate specifically to the way in which inmates committed their crimes. Characteristics of inmate behavior associated with murder, manslaughter, robbery, assault, rape, and child molestation were scored from parole board investigative reports, and inmate testosterone levels were assayed from saliva samples. Among inmates who committed homicide, those high in testosterone more often knew their victims and planned their crimes ahead of time. Testosterone was not related to these characteristics for other violent crimes.
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Sorry, forgot the link to "Testosterone and ruthless homicide":

http://tinyurl.com/2a3qmpd
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http://tinyurl.com/257pkax

Testosterone, crime, and misbehavior among 692 male prison inmates
Purchase the full-text article

References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.

James M. Dabbs, Jr, Timothy S. Carrb, Robert L. Fradyc and Jasmin K. Riada

Department of Psychology, Georgia State University, University Plaza, Atlanta, GA 30303-3083, U.S.A.

Research Unit, Georgia Department of Corrections, Atlanta, GA 30334, U.S.A.

Diagnostic Unit, Lee Arrendale Correctional Institution, Alto, GA 30596, U.S.A.
Received 1 August 1994.
Available online 28 December 1999.

Abstract

Testosterone, crime, and prison behavior were examined among 692 adult male prison inmates. Testosterone was measured from saliva samples, and behavior was coded from prison system records. Inmates who had committed personal crimes of sex and violence had higher testosterone levels than inmates who had committed property crimes of burglary, theft, and drugs. Inmates with higher testosterone levels also violated more rules in prison, especially rules involving overt confrontation. The findings indicate differences between low and high testosterone individuals in the amount and pattern of their misbehavior.
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http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf…

Bureau of Justice Statistics
Special Report

Black Victims of Violent Crime

"In 2005 nearly half of all homicide victims [in the USA] were black.

Blacks accounted for 49% of all homicide victims in 2005, according to the FBI's UCR. Black males accounted for about 52% (or 6,800) of the nearly 13,000 male homicide victims in 2005. Black females made up 35% (or 1,200) of the nearly 3,500 female homicide victims. The number of black males murdered increased between 2004 and 2005, while the number of black females murdered remained the same."

"About 93% of black homicide victims in single victim and single
offender homicides were murdered by someone of their race."

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Demographics of the United States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic…

Black or African American - 12.4%

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So, logically, if the USA is only 12.4% black, and blacks were victims of 49% of all homicides in the USA in 2005, and 93% of those blacks killed were killed by other blacks, then the only conclusion that anyone with a brain can come to is that blacks commit a vastly disproportionate amount of homicides in the USA.

Judge Sanders said that blacks are over-represented in prison because they commit more crimes. He was correct. I just proved it again.
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@2 - Have you ever been to Atlanta? If you think Atlanta is half as big as Portland, you are a fucking moron. Have you ever even ventured out of your backwater shithole?

Fuck, the very site you listed for Atlanta's murder stats shows its population at 4.1 million. Talk about dishonest cherry-picking. Why should I now not assume that's true for all your numbers?

I"d drop such an idiotic statement from your repertoire if you want to seem the least bit credible.
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Hi, Free Lunch @ 49, yes I have been to Atlanta, thanks. In fact I have traveled all over the world, to many places I am sure you have never ever been or will ever go to.

It looks like that cityrating.com site has changed their Atlanta page. They now use the entire population of the entire Atlanta metro area. They used to list the Atlanta only population as being 431,043. Now they list the Atlanta entire metro area population as being 4,112,198.

Wikipedia lists the Atlanta metro area population as being 5,475,213. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_met…

The actual "Atlanta" page at wikipedia says:

"As of 2009[update] Atlanta had an estimated population of about 540,922 people. Its metropolitan area is the ninth largest in the country, inhabited by more than 5.4 million people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta

city-data.com lists Atlanta's population as being 540,921, which does not include the metro area.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Atlanta-Ge…

To conclude, the logic of my post at #2 is still sound and essentially true, even if the numbers have changed slightly in the last couple of years. Thanks for playing.
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CELEBRATE DIVERSITY!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/natur…

Neanderthal genes 'survive in us'

Thursday, 6 May 2010

By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

Many people alive today possess some Neanderthal ancestry, according to a landmark scientific study.

The finding has surprised many experts, as previous genetic evidence suggested the Neanderthals made little or no contribution to our inheritance.

The result comes from analysis of the Neanderthal genome - the "instruction manual" describing how these ancient humans were put together.

Between 1% and 4% of the Eurasian human genome seems to come from Neanderthals.

...

The results show that the genomes of non-Africans (from Europe, China and New Guinea) are closer to the Neanderthal sequence than are those from Africa.

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"One big reason is that whites are simply better"

stupid troll is stupid.
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Regarding the "warrior gene":

http://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/120-1250/…

Journal of the New Zealand Medical Association
02-March-2007, Vol 120 No 1250

Monoamine oxidase, addiction, and the “warrior” gene hypothesis
Rod Lea, Geoffrey Chambers

"The monoamine oxidase gene and behavioural traits
Monoamine oxidases (MAOs) are enzymes responsible for breaking down the neurotransmitters—serotonin, dopamine, and adrenalin—and are therefore capable of affecting mood. Indeed, MAO inhibitors (e.g. moclobemide) can effectively treat symptoms of depression and tobacco dependence. The activity of MAO enzymes can vary among individuals and is influenced by inherited genetic factors. Understanding the genetic variability of MAO activity and the linkage to drug response traits should assist in the design of more effective treatment options for certain clinical disorders.
The MAO genes are located on the X chromosome, thus males inherit only a single maternal copy. In 1997, Sabol et al reported that the MAO-A subtype contains a 30bp repeat polymorphism (MAO-A30bp-rpt) that is associated with transcriptional regulation (i.e. gene function). Hundreds of epidemiological studies of the MAO-A30bp-rpt variant have since been conducted and associations reported with psychiatric disorders including depression, anxiety, and addiction (e.g. tobacco dependence and alcoholism). Studies have also implicated the 3-repeat allele of MAO-A30bp-rpt, postulated to correspond to lower MAO-A activity and higher dopamine levels, with risk-taking and aggressive behaviour traits (see Merriman and Cameron’s article—Risk-taking: behind the warrior gene story—http://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/120-1250/…). For the latter reason, Gibbons (2004) dubbed it a “warrior” gene."

...

Ethnic differences in MAO-A allele frequencies

MAO-A30bp-rpt allele frequencies appear to vary substantially between different worldwide ethnic groups (Table 1)

Table 1 [excerpt]. Estimates of MAO-A30bp-rpt (3-repeat) allele frequencies among ethnic groups

Ethnic Group 3-repeat Allele frequency (%)
Caucasian (males) 34
African (male + female) 59



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I wonder what has been happening around town lately? Hmmmmmmm...

http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/25/fatal…

posted 10/25/10 05:27 PM | updated 10/25/10 05:27 PM

Fatal International District Shooting Sparked By Baby Mama Drama

By Jonah Spangenthal-Lee

A man suspected of fatally shooting another man in the International District over the weekend told police he was involved in a dispute with the victim after the victim accused him of sleeping with his "baby's mama."

According to police records, officers on patrol near 12th and Jackson heard gunfire around 2:40am Saturday morning, and saw a vehicle leaving the area.

Police stopped the vehicle, but the passenger fled. Officers later located the man—identified in police records as Pierce Alfonso Dubois, 27—running out of "The Jungle" at 10th and Dearborn, and arrested him. Police also arrested the driver of the vehicle, but later released him.

Gang detectives interviewed Dubois, who told police the victim "had accused Dubois of sleeping with the victim's 'baby's mama," SPD records say.

Police records note Dubois had blood on his clothing at the time of his arrest.

When police interviewed the driver of the vehicle stopped near the scene of the shooting, he told officers he had been with Dubois earlier in the evening, "clubbing in West Seattle," when Dubois said he needed to find the victim in the Central District.

The two men located the victim, and Dubois got out of the car and got into a fight. Dubois then came back to the car, went back to the victim, and opened fire, police records say.

Dubois has not yet been charged for the shooting, but is being held on $1 million bail in the King County Jail.
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I wonder what is happened in downtown Seattle just a while ago?

PLACE YOUR BETS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! I'M BETTING ON BLACK. FOR EVIDENCE I CITE THE INTERSECTION OF SECOND AND PIKE, AND THE BEHAVIOR.

If the shooter turns out to not be black, I promise that I will mail The Stranger a $10 bill for them to donate to whoever they want. If the shooter turns out to be white, I promise that I will mail a $20 bill to The Stranger. From the photo at KOMO, it looks like the guy on the stretcher is white, or at least not black.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/429093_sh…

Man shot in head in downtown Seattle

KOMO-TV STAFF
Man shot in head in downtown Seattle

KOMO-TV STAFF

A man was rushed to the hospital after being shot in the head in downtown Seattle late Tuesday afternoon.

The incident unfolded at the intersection of Second Avenue and Pike Street at approximately 4:45 p.m.

The man was taken to Harborview Medical Center with unspecified injuries.

Police have detained a suspected gunman.

No other details were immediately available, and the investigation is ongoing.

Emergency vehicles are blocking the intersection, according to Seattle Department of Transportation.

Buses 10 and 12 are being rerouted due to road closure. Riders are urged to use stops along Third Avenue or stops east of Third.
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Never mind, I just won my bet.

THE SHOOTER WAS BLACK! AMAZING! SURPRISING! IT IS LIKE I AM PSYCHIC OR SOMETHING!!!!! I SHOULD OPEN UP A FORTUNE TELLING PARLOR AND MAKE A MILLION BUCKS!!!

Photos of the perp at KOMO here:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/10582…

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/10582…
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Downtown shooting perp = "Kenneth Leroy J Taylor".

BA: 210036567. Booked today for Attempted Murder 2 at 4:11 pm.

Cause No: 101092214.

Total Bail = $500,000. Thanks King County Jail Inmate Lookup Service!

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Do you ever think that Mayor McPothead should stop getting blowjobs from The Stranger writers and jacking off all over his bicycle fantasies and happy horseshit green initiatives, and maybe actually do something to get downtown under control, or at least the rectangle area formed by 1st, Pine, 3rd, & Pike?
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In other news...

http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/26/more-…

posted 10/26/10 03:02 PM

More Details On Shooting At MLK and Graham

By Jonah Spangenthal-Lee

A police report released this week gives a few more details on a shooting in broad daylight at a busy intersection in South Seattle.

Just before 5:00pm on October 19th, police received reports of gunfire at Martin Luther King Jr Way S and S Graham St.

Witnesses told police a 17-year-old boy had walked out into the middle of Graham street and fired five shots at a red Cadillac. He then fled eastbound on Graham.

The victim also drove off southbound.

Police found broken glass at the scene, but no shell casings or victims.

Officers let all hospitals in the area know to be on the lookout for any incoming gunshot victims.

About three hours after the shooting, gang unit detectives spotted the 17-year-old suspect in the 48th Ave S and S Kenyon St.

After a brief foot chase, police found the teen hiding in a shed in the backyard of a home. Officers also recovered a revolver nearby.

The 17-year-old was booked into the Youth Service Center. (!)

We haven't heard anything about police locating a victim in the shooting, but we'll check around this afternoon and see if we can find out a bit more about this incident.
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A relevant tidbit from seattlecrime's story about today's shooting downtown:

http://seattlecrime.com/2010/10/26/shoot…

"According to court records, the man arrested in the shooting has a long rap sheet going back to 1999, when he was a juvenile. Court records indicate the man has convictions for theft, assault (three times), resisting arrest, drug and unlawful weapons possession, burglary, and unlawful imprisonment.?
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One of my links in # 56 went to the wrong photo. Here is the link I meant it to go to:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/10582…
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OK, a little correction is in order. Apparently "Kenneth Leroy J Taylor" isn't the suspect for today's murder downtown at 2nd and Pike.

"Kenneth Leroy J Taylor" is just SOME OTHER BLACK GUY who was ALSO booked into jail today for SOME OTHER attempted murder.

The black guy who apparently murdered the man downtown today is named "Tomas Afeworki", at least according to the updated KOMO story:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/10582…

Man shot in head in downtown Seattle dies in hospital

SEATTLE -- A man was fatally shot in the head in downtown Seattle late Tuesday afternoon.

The incident unfolded at the northwest corner of Second Avenue and Pike Street at approximately 4:41 p.m.

It is not known what prompted the shooting, but police spokesman Jeff Kappel said the 31-year-old man was found lying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound. He was taken to Harborview Medical Center where he later died from his injuries.

Police have detained Tomas Afeworki, 27, who is suspected in the shooting. They've also recovered a handgun at the scene.

Relevant photos here:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/10582…
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/10582…
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Another great photo of the black guy who murdered a man in downtown Seattle yesterday:

http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20101026…
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http://www.seattlepi.com/local/429093_sh…

"Police said the suspect, who turned 27 last month, listed a Lynnwood address and has a violent history. Court documents show his previous convictions include cocaine possession, violating a domestic violence no-contact order, second-degree assault, resisting arrest, fourth-degree assault and first-degree theft."
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I think NWLSP is actually Jamie Marsters.
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It does not matter who I am. All that matters is that you can't prove me wrong. The facts of Science and Reality are on my side. All the libtards have on their side are the measly words "fuck" and "racist".

All your insults are making me laugh my ass off, too. Keep them up, religious fanatics!
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Blacks aren't more prone to commit crime just like East Asians don't have higher IQ's than those in the islands and just like Western Europeans aren't more sophisticated than Eastern Europeans.
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http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Sc…

Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

Study conducted by researchers at UCSD, Harvard

By ERIC S. PAGE

First Published: Oct 27, 2010 5:04 PM PDT
Updated 5:16 PM PDT, Wed, Oct 27, 2010

Source: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene' | NBC San Diego

Researchers have determined that genetics could matter when it comes to some adults' political leanings.

According to scientists at UC San Diego and Harvard University, "ideology is affected not just by social factors, but also by a dopamine receptor gene called DRD4." That and how many friends you had during high school.

The study was led by UCSD's James Fowler and focused on 2,000 subjects from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Scientists matched the subjects' genetic information with "maps" of their social networks. According to researchers, they determined that people "with a specific variant of the DRD4 gene were more likely to be liberal as adults." However, the, subjects were only more likely to have leanings to the left if they were also socially active during adolescence.

"It is the crucial interaction of two factors -- the genetic predisposition and the environmental condition of having many friends in adolescence -- that is associated with being more liberal,” according to the study.

"These findings suggest that political affiliation is not based solely on the kind of social environment people experience,” said Fowler, who is a professor of political science and medical genetics.

The researchers also said their findings held true no matter what the ethnicity, culture, sex or age of the subjects were.

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http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Sc…

Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

Study conducted by researchers at UCSD, Harvard

By ERIC S. PAGE

First Published: Oct 27, 2010 5:04 PM PDT
Updated 5:16 PM PDT, Wed, Oct 27, 2010

Source: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene' | NBC San Diego

Researchers have determined that genetics could matter when it comes to some adults' political leanings.

According to scientists at UC San Diego and Harvard University, "ideology is affected not just by social factors, but also by a dopamine receptor gene called DRD4." That and how many friends you had during high school.

The study was led by UCSD's James Fowler and focused on 2,000 subjects from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Scientists matched the subjects' genetic information with "maps" of their social networks. According to researchers, they determined that people "with a specific variant of the DRD4 gene were more likely to be liberal as adults." However, the, subjects were only more likely to have leanings to the left if they were also socially active during adolescence.

"It is the crucial interaction of two factors -- the genetic predisposition and the environmental condition of having many friends in adolescence -- that is associated with being more liberal,” according to the study.

"These findings suggest that political affiliation is not based solely on the kind of social environment people experience,” said Fowler, who is a professor of political science and medical genetics.

The researchers also said their findings held true no matter what the ethnicity, culture, sex or age of the subjects were.

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sorry for the double post

got a server error
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Maybe what Seattle needs is more black people. It is only 8% black, after all.

Dallas, Texas provides a good example:

http://www.dallascityhall.com/committee_…

Race of Suspect - 2008:
White - 9 = 6%
Black - 72 = 47%
Hispanic - 24 = 16%
Unknown - 49 = 32%

To really put it in the proper perspective:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Dallas-Tex…

Dallas Population Racial Data:

Hispanic - 547,781 (44.6%)
White - 355,922 (29.0%)
Black - 274,087 (22.3%)

Therefore, even if the every single one of the 49 "unknown" murderers were whites, the black murderers would still outnumber them!!!!!
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You all need to watch Americas funniest black comedy, "The First 48".

Tonights show: 17 year old Dewan Davis Jackson III, father of 3 working on his GED is shot dead in front of 100 witnesses. Unable to find a witness ready to talk, cops are able to find the killer because he left his wallet and mobile phone at the crime scene and was found two blocks away playing Playstation at his grandma's house with the victim's car parked out front. Video at the closest convenience store shows him trying to use the victim's ATM cards, stolen from someone else.

The gun was in his pants. Taken in for questioning, suspect starts crying like a baby, asks for his mama and wants to know if he can go home for the night

Man, I was in tears, that shit is funny!

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