Blogs Nov 4, 2010 at 7:45 am

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Lucky kid to have such a great mom.
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Good for her! And what a lucky boy!
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My good friend and neighbor at age 4 was the Methodist minister's son. A few years older than me, Jeff liked nothing better than playing I Dream of Jeannie, as long as he got to be Jeannie. His parents got him (or made him) the best Jeannie outfit ever. This was 1970 in small-town Michigan. He also taught me how to read (thanks, Jeff!) I hope he is having a wonderful life, wherever he is now.
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Even as far back as I could remember--early 80s--I'd see everything from kids to ultra-manly Dudes with an extra exclamatory D in there dressing up as girls for Halloween. It means absolutely nothing beyond, oh, Hallofuckingween.

But then I couldn't resist, and Whois'd her site, and I see "Missouri", and I'm reminded by it that it's "2010", so I guess that means I shouldn't be surprised or something.
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"Thirdly, I am not worried that your son will grow up to be an actual ninja so back off."

Best mom ever!
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The kid looks amazing in the costume! This mom rocks.
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But, but . . . teh ghey, it's contagious, don't you know.
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Wow, any more evidence needed that kids learn bigotry and fear at home? What an appalling flock of harpies those other mother were.

When my youngest was 3, we were at the Disney store, and he was picking out a "treat." He chose a pink glitter purse with the Disney princesses on the front, and a pink feather boa around the opening...why wouldn't he? It was clearly the most fabulous thing in the store! The only people who commented on it were my "liberal" friends...nice.
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This is getting depressing, Dan. Please make the stupid people stop.
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dude, kids that young cross gender lines in dressup ALL THE TIME. till they're about.... 5. it's completely normal. he's just as likely to grow up to be a macho frat boy football player as a nancy dude. besides, daphne is clearly the coolest character on scooby doo.
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@5 Seconded. Great quote!
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Wow, any more evidence needed that kids learn appropriate gender behavior at home? What an appallingly clueless simp that mother was.

oh wait-

in Liberal LaLa Land there ARE no appropriate gender behaviors.....
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When my sister was ten, I took her and her best friend to Build-a-Bear, and the best friend chose a fabulous purple unicorn and got a dirty look from the greasy kid behind the till. He was upset and afraid people would tease him, so my sister just gave him a hug and said if people say he's different, it only means he's special.
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mommy having your back is the way we make real men....
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poor kid doesn't have a chance.

if it's 'no big deal' why is mom making such a fucking big deal out of it?

because it isn't about Boo.*

it's about how enlighten and open-minded mommy is.

"look at mommy!"

"mommy is so much more enlightened than the other mommies!!"

"look! Look!! LOOK!!!"

of course slog laps it up.....

* 'Boo'? 'Squirt'?
mommy is obviously an asshole
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I'm vaguely encouraged that there were only three mothers who gave the blogger grief, in a Christian pre-school no less, out of all the mothers present. The others were all apparently supportive and appreciative of the child. Surely, this is some sign of progress?

In prior years, I think it was worse, but it's still not enough. Today, maybe more than ever, those three deserve a scolding, and one based on their own supposed ethics. While homophobia survives, and gets louder, I think it's getting less wide-spread. I also think there are more Christians who are learning to act, you know, umm... Christian (love thy neighbor, etc.).

Of course, it's always easier to think of a snappy come-back a few days after the event, so I don't fault the Mom for her responses. Still, I would have loved if she had said something like, "This is my wonderful, young and vulnerable son, who I love dearly, and amongst other things, deserves to be happy and wants to make others happy. He can hear and see you, you know, and can't help but be disturbed by your negative attitude. You as a Christian are supposed to be loving and generous in spirit. Why don't you try it on for size? It won't kill you to be sweet, generous and kind to a 5-year-old."
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Holy shit! She earns the "best mom of the month" award at the very least.
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Wow. What an amazing amazing mother. I want to hug her. And I want to hug her son.
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@12, 14, 15 Thank you for reminding me to turn off unregistered comments again. Don't know how I forgot to do that last time I peeked at the them.
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Great demonstration of a terrific parent. Those other mothers could definitely learn something from her! And a great blogger too, the ninja comment was brilliant.
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"Boo doesn’t want to get out of the car. ...."

Boo is smarter than mommy.

Just how much was this Boo's idea, really?

Or was it a chance for mommy to earn some Liberal Street Cred?.....

so what if Boo turns out gay?

wait- what are we saying?

it would be AWESOME for mommy's Liberal Street Cred if Boo turns out gay.....
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What a great mom.

My son was dressed as Cinderella at three, his big sister wanted to dress him up. In truth I think he got that his sister was extremely fragile at the time due to HSP, and at three he wanted to make her happy. Now that she's in remission I don't think he'd be as willing. Darn he was a great sport about it.

As a former Powderpuff football player, and sometimes performer in drag. It was great fun to dress and act differently for awhile. And, it was just as fun dressing my friends in my cheerleading uniforms for those powderpuff games. Life is too short to skip dressing up, in my opinion.
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@12,14,15 Good for you. You sure showed that five year old how real men behave.

Once again, I applaud Slog for the decision to allow people to courageously post the anonymous opinions they wouldn't dare speak aloud outside of their own houses.
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you're welcome.

much better to admire your bare pasty fat ass in the mirror than recognize the fact that you are intellectually naked.

don't run off.

Dan will be sewing a nice new outfit for you any minute now.....
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I don't know where the unregistered comments are coming from but the 1950's mentality is alive and well, unfortunately >.<

I loved this story when I read it & I love this mother's attitude. And (having dealt with cops myself) I'm amazed that she appears to be married to a cop and still has this wonderful approach to her son.
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actually, as we reside in the Real World and not the depraved homoliberal fringe of the 19% (and shrinking...) of Americans who call themselves 'liberal' we have no problem expressing and hearing common sense like this in our town.
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well.

having 'dealt with cops' you surely are an expert on the attitudes of each and every cop on the planet.

prejudices and preconceived notions and bigotry are so much fun.

and so very enlightened and liberal.....
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Actually
'Mothers that have their Son's Back'
are a universal environmental nurturing feature
of every little gay boy's childhood.

Isn't that right, Dan?
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A stronger argument against enrolling your child in a church-based anything would be hard to find.
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Crazy how the other mothers and all the anony-posts here can feel so threatened by something that literally doesn't threaten them in any way whatsoever.
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now slick-
in a few years when we will be counting on Boo to be a productive contributing member of society he instead will be a tortured shell whose mental illnesses and AIDS are being treated at taxpayer expense.
unless, that is, he has the grace to kill himself first....
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The thing that bothered me about this post was that it was clear, if you read the whole thing, that the son tried multiple times to back out of wearing the costume to school and the Mother kept pressuring him to wear. "Boo doesn’t want to get out of the car. He’s afraid of what people will say and do to him. I convince him to go inside. He halts at the door. He’s visibly nervous. I chalk it up to him being a bit of a worrier in general." Do people really consider this supportive - seems to me more like a Mom who doesn't like the fact that her son is a bit of a "worrier" and is trying to force him to be "strong."
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knitpicker @32:

Yes, the child was victimized, but not by his mother. It might behoove you to actually read the full entry she wrote at her blog.
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she is just panicking that boo may spoil her big "Enlightened Liberal Mom" coming out...

What would there be to blog about if the little bastard won't wear the wig, after all?
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27 year old straight male here. When I was 15 I was Monica Lewinsky for Halloween (the year prior I had been Bill Clinton, so it seemed appropriate). My mom was not only encouraging, she helped me make the costume and it turned out awesome and hilarious.

I turned out as straight as a 1 dollar bill. Crossdressing for halloween is such an absolute non-issue that I'm amazed anybody could raise a stink about it.

Now that I think back on it, since I had dressed as Bill Clinton the year before, the night I dressed as Lewinsky I could have theoretically blown myself. God dammit for missed opportunities.
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awesome, the kid looks so cute with his orange hair.

great costume. thanks mom!
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35

it's not too late, 'straight' boy.....
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Yeah I figured you'd jump on that. You know, b/c poor cops are so defenseless compared to young boys. However, married to a cop for almost 10 years? I know the culture. Sure, cops vary (being people, how can they not?), but overall they are or become very conservative, very "us vs them" the longer they are in the force. It was a real breath of fresh air when I got out of that. So I'm delighted to see exceptions to that, and hope that it's more widespread than my experience.

And @30's comment is so on target it's not even funny. *Why* do the actions of a 5 year old bother you so much? "Projection" is a very interesting psychological phenomenon you might wanna read up on.
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#23, the internet is anonymous. My real name isn't Captain (although it IS Tim... but WHICH ONE?)

For me unregistered comments are collapsed by default. Which is fine by me, but

1. I'm not for censorship.
and
2. There are often helpful or good remarks by unregistered users, Just as there is trolling by registered users.
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Reminds me of that kid last year, somewhat older, who went to a neighborhood Halloween block party (in or near Hollywood California as I recall) dressed as Lady Gaga...with dad in tow, appropriately (in more senses then one) costumed as Lady Gaga's body guard. You could wish all kids, gay or straight, had parents like that; less concerned about the kid's sexual orientation then that they're safe and get to have all the fun childhood allows them.

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THAT'S IT!!

THE TROLL IS GAY!!!
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@10: No, that'd be Velma!
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you're not really trying to justify and excuse your prejudices and preconceived notions and bigotry, are you?....
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The kid is 5. Seriously. Who gives a shit what he dresses as? My daughters, 2 and 4 y.o., both pretend to be "Wiggles", calling eachother "Murray" and "Jeff". Only thing I'm worried about is their taste in music.
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So that time Matt Lauer dressed up as J-Lo for Halloween... Never knew it meant he was gay.

And Daphne? Bah. Everyone knows that of all the Scooby gang, Velma was the awesomest. Come on - the plain girl with glasses that no one ever noticed but who had all the answers anyway? What could be more awesome than that?

(Unfortunately, because of Anonymous Asshole, I have a feeling no one will read this. Or 35's cool comment. One of these days I'll break down and register, but for now I'm too lazy.)
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"Then you have the nerve to tell me you think that as a mother I'm not fit.
Well, this is just a little Peyton Place and you're all Harper Valley hypocrites"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOZPBUu7F…
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ironic.

body guard.

as long as mommy and daddy are there to "bodyguard" the budding little homo they so lovingly and proudly nurture and encourage things are just fine.

'don't be afraid, kid', they order as they shove Boo through the door.

what happens when mommy and daddy are no longer there to bodyguard?

Boo has better life skills and instincts than mommy.

but give her a few years, she'll nurture them right out of him.

and send him out into the Real World.

where males don't dress like Daphne.

stay tuned.....
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@39 -- yes, in a larger sense we're all anonymous here. But the difference between registered & unregistered comments tells me that someone's willing to own their comments, build a record under their name. You can follow me back to accounts that go back 5 years even if you never figure out my name.

At the same time, I do appreciate that all comments *can* appear here -- I like to do my share of actual anonymous commentary elsewhere when I can't be arsed to log in. So the way they're weighted here (collapsed or not) works well for me as a compromise between unhindered commentary & unhindered reading...
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what?!

you're name isn't really BEG?
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I should say, "... build a record under their pseudonym" d'oh!
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I would gladly have taken the cue and said for all to hear "I see stupid people"!

More proof that these kids are NOT learning their bigotry from Great Uncle Joe and poor old Aunt Martha.
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Nope. She probably doesn't even have brown eyes.
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Only me and my hairdresser know for sure!

... wait...

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What a fantastic letter - and mother. Simply beautiful...
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Mom A and Mom B will be living in darkness for the rest of their lives. Pity them.
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When I was a kid, I wanted to dress up as my favorite book: Alice in Wonderland. Not even as Alice! As the book (like, the front and back covers on cardboard with me between). But my generally liberal and accepting parents insisted I would be teased, so I had to be Tom Sawyer (the book!) instead. Lame.
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For everyone not reading unregistered comments, check out @35, it's a hoot.
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I haven't read the article as the site is probably being bombarded as we speak. I did get a quick glimpse of the costume and wig before I had to get out of the program and I'm flabbergasted anyone would make such a fuss.

When my 3-1/2 year old nephew goes to his female cousins house, also 3-1/2 and 2, he is only too delighted to dress up in their play wear and put on tiaras and princess slippers and bracelets and necklaces. On the same note, when they go to his house they are only too delighted to play with his train sets and use his Tonka backhoe and skip loader in the pile of dirt in the back yard.

This reminds me of the Clint McCance response. Your kid looks like a homo and I hope they commit suicide. My kid better not even think of coming home in something like this or they'll be locked out of the house permanently. This has to be inbreeding or poisoned water or something. These same parents should be more worried about their obvious stupidity and depravity than about another kids Halloween costume.

Mom, get your kid out of that school and church as fast as you can PLEASE!
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Zamboni @35, PLEASE register. We love you!

Thanks Canuck.
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55, and Fnarf, the chances that A & B's children are gay, are the exact same as this woman's boy. A costume doesn't make you gay.

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That little boy looked AMAZING in his costume. I never tried to discourage my girls from wanting to dress up as Spider Man when they were 4 or 5 and I certainly wouldnt discourage my son if he wanted to bust out in his sisters' "Snow Princess Dress" (although I would have to remind him not to go play in the mud in a white dress....

No one should care what people dress as for Halloween, or any other day for that matter.
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@37. It is too late, I'm afraid. I can't change the way I was made! Stop persecuting me!
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Okay, #59. You win. Happy now?
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Now that's a mama bear.
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Aw @62 it's okay we love you anyway! (And I'm w/Canuck, go register!)
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OMG, Zamboni, anyone who wants "Sit on my my face and tell me you love me" by the practically perfect Pythons played at their funeral is more than welcome here, at least by the twisted Canadian faction...
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@65; your reading comprehension skills are poor. If you had read all comments, you would see that I'm now one of you. BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID. MWUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oops, sorry. Lapsed into "evil me" there for a minute.
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Glad to hear that, Canuck.
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Thanks Zamboni! Welcome to the crazy, wacky virtual family!
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@67 -- poor refresh skills! Evil tendencies duly noted!
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Maybe we should worry that that crappy mom's kid will grow up to be an actual ninja... especially if he perpetuates her crappy views...

Kids are cute and its time do away with all this obsolete gender identity crap. My boyfriend does dishes. I have worked on my car. Big whoop. I like pants better than skirts (and boy do I like a man in a skirt!)
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I think gender identity was the wrong phrase... I can't for the life of me think of the right one... sexual isolation? no. genderfied societal norms? I hope you guys know what I meant!!

(as i have no problem with gender identity - just society telling us what boys have to do/wear and what girls have to do/wear)
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Ooh, I'd love to see this:
Barcelona's Gays And Lesbians To Stage '…
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Awesome story.

My 2 brothers and I used to dress up in mom's old clothes because it was fun.

I was probably already gay at that point, but they turned out "perfectly normal"...if you can call heterosexuality normal.
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Good for this mom!
Parents can be worse than kids. I took so much crap from other kids' moms for having long hair. As a kid though, I didn't realize how know nothing so many adults are, in many ways they're just fully grown children. But kids expect more from adults so this type of bitchy ex-cheerleader behavior comes off as harsher than peer disapproval.
As far as a kid dressing up like Daphne, it could mean anything. He could have a crush on her, he could be gay, straight, or just think she’s fucking neat. He’s a kid for fucks sake, not worth reading into it.
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Back in high school, a competitive academic club I was in held a fund raiser where we bought dresses from Goodwill for like a buck a piece and sold them for ten bucks in the school in the month before prom. They were nice, cheap, and it went over surprisingly well (I had argued that girls would rather buy something new and fancy, since we were a rather well off group, but I admit I was wrong). The biggest thing we were hearing is that people weren't aware of the sale going on and we needed to advertise better. So a few of us guys decided to wear the dresses to class. Now keep in mind, this was high school and some of the more nerdy kids to boot, so we're talking boys who just went through a growth spurt, are gangly and awkward. I, for instance, had grown 4-5 inches over past few months and was 6'5 and weighed 150. I was far from the skinniest guy doing this. So we just put the dresses on over the clothes we wore to school that day, because none of us had the figure to actually hold one up.

We made in 3 or 4 minutes before the principal showed up and made us change because we were "causing a disruption." Apparently, despite openly gay students, a strong GSA program, and being a pretty liberal community, cross-dressing was just a huge problem.

Bah.
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"I didn't realize how know nothing so many adults are, in many ways they're just fully grown children."

OMG Yes! It seems frequently that so-called "adulthood" is just the haunted house version of middle school: just as bitchy and small minded, but they usually can't *actually* touch you. I think the biggest thing that makes it get better is that one has a wider pool of people to choose from for friends as an adult, so we're not going in quite so alone...
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@75 I wonder about that too... If heteronormativity is per our current cultural crazed definition, then I'd have to say it's NOT normal :-/ How many people, even straight, fit that straight jacket (as it were) of hyper feminine and masculine traits??
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@60, I didn't say anything about anybody's chances of being gay. I said Mom A and Mom B will live in darkness for the rest of their lives.

Which they will; anyone who thinks a five year old is committing some kind of transgression by dressing as a girl for Halloween, or that dressing as a girl for Halloween will make you gay, is suffering from the kind of mental darkness that will never lift.
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Cool idea, though, Bojak, glad you got to do it for a few minutes at least, and maybe make some people think in the process!
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@77 cool story, and i have to laugh about the 4-5" growth spurt comment. I vividly remember returning for my junior year in high school and dropping my jaw at *how* *much* you guys grew that summer. We girls went about it much more incrementally!

Too bad they couldn't handle it though. Sheesh.
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@72, I believe "gender expression" was the phrase you were looking for.
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@ 32. It's a judgment call. Moms have to encourage their kids to do things all the time- eat their veggies, do their homework, do their chores, etc. In this case, mom was trying to encourage her son to stay true to himself and not worry about what the other kids will say. One woman's "teaching moment" is another man's pushy bitch helicopter mom. Either way, whether she was right or wrong, her son will learn something from his experience. Maybe he will learn that it's fun to play different characters from tv shows, he'll keep going down that path of creativity, and he will be a screen writer, director or actor someday. Or, maybe he'll learn it's better to think things all the way through before trying them out on a public audience. In any case, it will be part of a learning experience for "boo". This mom sounds like a great lady who is trying to help her son stay true to his own creativity. And she's right- no one else is worried that the other kids are going to grow up to be ninjas or vampires, so back off already.
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@ 82 Maybe it was more incrementally when it came to height, but the level of boob growth that occurred over the summer sophomore year was also jaw dropping. Or, to be more accurate, rather awkward for us guys.
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My grandson was a ninja this year and I think he'll grow up to be a master chef - like his dad. Grandpa, however, dressed up as (drum roll) Miss Oklahoma, Anita Bryant, back in the 1960s.

The upside is that I didn't grow up to be a homophobe, but I can still sing "Get Me To The Church On Time" with the best of Broadway.
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""Thirdly, I am not worried that your son will grow up to be an actual ninja so back off."

Best punch line EVER!!!
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For the love of all the forgotten Gods, can someone please get the goats to stop blowing up the fucking bridges? At least temporarily, please? ?
The profusion of trolls is getting extremely annoying.
It's managed to get me a Governor elect in Georgia that'll be luckier than all hell to make it to his inauguration without a Grand Jury indictment.
And if this continues, it's going to get us a President who can see Russia from her house.
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Who hasn't cross-dressed for Halloween or a costume party at least once? I went as a Monty Python "Pepperpot" woman one year, with a muu muu and old purse from Goodwill, and support hose (how women stand those is beyond me). I also remember a college "BLT" (black tie, lingerie, toga) party I went to--the college boys wearing lingerie far outnumbered the women.

Good for this mom for sticking for her kid and not mincing any words. Stupid needs to be called stupid!
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FTA: "If my daughter had dressed as Batman, no one would have thought twice about it. No one."

Woman's lib just didn't go far enough.
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What the fuck is wrong with people? It breaks my heart that a 5 year old know the biggotry and smallmindedness that people are capable of. This mom is my new hero.

And of course this smart little boy would want to be Daphne--she had killer boots.
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Wow, Alleged sure seems a little hot under the collar tonight...
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So the "goes without saying" double standard is that of course daughters get to dress up as Harry Potter without anyone batting an eyelash but this...

And if he were truly gay he would dress up as Velma. That's what boys like!
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Moms DO have to encourage their kids to do things all the time- eat their veggies, do their homework, do their chores, etc.
If mom let Boo eat a diet of candy and no veggies because she wanted him to 'be true to himself' we would agree she was irresponsible.
If mom lets Boo play video games instead of ever doing any schoolwork she would likewise be cheating him.

Learning appropriate gender behavior is another critical life skill.
Granted it is not one that the homoliberal fringe recognize any need for at all but then that is a demographic with greatly elevated mental illness issues and it really isn't productive to extrapolate their values onto the wider society.

Mom's like Boo's poorly prepare their children for the challenges of adulthood.

Kids like Boo pay the price.

We read about them on Slog
and Dan rants about the
DamnChristianHomophobicBigotedHaters™
but that widely misses the reality.

No one thinks a five year old is committing some kind of transgression by dressing as a girl for Halloween.
Or a committing some kind of transgression by eating candy or playing video games.

But a parent who doesn't guide their 5 year old into healthy behaviors is.

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Holy shit, his costume is awesome! And so is his mom! :-D

Hiya Zamboni: I'm the hardcore social Libertarian radical Leftist postmodern-feminist Queer Theorist with WAY too many trans-/interdisciplinary courses on postmodern analytical frameworks under my belt. I might be anywhere between crazy and reasonable, given the day and one's perspective. I like doing theory a lot more than practice. I'm on a kick about privileged discourse right now, particularly institutionalized systems of privilege. Welcome to Slog.
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I'm sad that the one kid isn't going to grow up to be a ninja.
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I have an uncle who is now in his late 70s or early 80s. When he was a kid growing up on a farm in northwestern Iowa, he would wear his older sister's dresses (my mom's) to work in the fields because they were cooler and more comfortable to work in. I never knew this until a few years ago. His siblings called him Sally when he did this, but probably no one else teased him since their nearest neighbors lived miles away. He grew up to be straight (as far as I know), married and has kids. He shared the story because his name is Jack, and his brothers called him Sally, and I now have stepkids named Jack and Sally.

Guys have been dressing as women for centuries for comedy. If you're old enough, you surely remember the many stars on television who did this on a regular basis (Jonathan Winters and Flip Wilson, for example).
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at the troll @94 - this comment "Learning appropriate gender behavior is another critical life skill."

What kind of "appropriate gender behavior" are you talking about? Is it the kind that says that women have to stay home with the kids and clean house and cook all day? Is it the kind that says that women can't be doctors, and men can't be nurses? It it the kind that says that men are in charge of everything and women are their submissive properties???

Arggh... I shouldn't even be saying this stuff because it is giving the troll what it wants - a reaction. It feeds off of this sort of energy like some sort of twisted up vampire thing.
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Ha! My mother and sister would dress male me in girl garb most years when I was, about, younger than 8. One year, little prepubescent boy in a red one-piece girl's bathing suit and a rubber swimcap -- oh, the compliments I got! The next year, I was a Spanish woman in a long dress and a black wig, the comb and the veil, very pretty. Now, this was way back in the 1950s when none of us even knew gay people existed, at least I didn't.

You know how they used to say that gay men had dominant mothers and weak fathers? One smarty suggested that once that parents could feel that the child was gay, the father moved away from the child and the mother stepped in with more attention to take up the slack. Cart, horse: interesting theory. I think my mother and sister were onto something -- I'm gay and I was gay at 7 and they could feel it, even if they didn't understand it.
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Here's my question: why are the homophobes reading Dan Savage--is it his exquisite wit or rock-solid common sense?...Or are they just here to pick fights on the internet? That seems even lonelier than surfing the dating sites looking for love. Truly--why? No one's mind is going to get changed like that.
This story pissed me right off. Shame is a super destructive experience for a child--and if it happens at the right time and in the right situation, a little can go a long way towards shaping that kid's sense of self. Those ABC moms are fucked up. I can't believe they would be so unaware as to bring it up in front of Boo.

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