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1
"that five-month time line for a permanent site is too long to wait"

I guess beggars can be choosers.

2
So will Nickelsville's maitre d', Leo Rhodes finally get out of the tent he's been living in for 20 years? Scott Murrow wants to know!
3
"...they will simply move to a different permanent site this weekend (one of their own choosing) where they will stay until the officials provide them with a city-sanctioned permanent site..."

What do they think 'permanent' means in this context?
4
That location is Sodo, not Georgetown.
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@3, they're refusing to continue their three-month cycle of moving from place to place.

@4, Georgetown residents don't seem to think so.
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Yeah Cienna, you have a point. I mean, I am a Georgetown resident but I know the freaked-out ones in the neighborhood consider the Sunny Jim site close enough to call it Georgetown. Traditionally the train tracks have been the dividing line, but when you're whipping your neighbors into a NIMBY-frenzy what's a little geography?

This location, next to train tracks and a freeway, it sucks. It's really unfortunate. But as someone that wants to see Sodo zoning change to allow some housing, maybe this is the first needed step.
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Perfect location but they'll say no. Why? Because they want a location that causes conflict, not resolution to their problem. Hidden away and forgotten in the middle of nowhere, this traveling political circus has no mojo. If they can't stick their fingers in the eye of middle glass tax payers, Nickelsville losses its purpose.

So expect McSchwinnville to reject it. Until they get Kinnear park, this traveling hobo circus will never rest.
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Interesting watching the homeless begin to achieve a little political clout in this town.... From way back when then-mayor Rice gave them that hotel on Aurora to call their own, to now, when we have ultimatums (ultimatos?) issued to city government, I find this all very interesting.

Seattle has a chance here to move to the head of the pack and really take a stand by providing this segment of its population with a safe place to live. We've done a lot (Urban Rest Stops, permanent housing for chronic street alcoholics) but we can do more.

And BTW, the NIMBY attitudes of the nouveau Georgetowners I find pretty sickening. As a former 13 year resident of G'town, I was there when there were no hip bars, eateries or festivals, only cheap housing, lots of druggies, and noise from trains, cars 'n' airplanes. That the 'hood would be revitalized by a bunch of grunge-lite whining NIMBY-types is, well, a mixed blessing, I suppose.

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To be fair, on the Georgetown message board it's been a good mix of "everyone needs a place to live, we need to try to help these folks" types and the whiny worriers you get in any seattle neighborhood.
10
Too bad they can't spend half the time and effort they do for organizing and lobbying to squat on other people's property to actually find permanent housing.
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@10
I had the same thought.
12
i have nothing constructive to contribute to this discussion.
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I'm glad Georgetowners are happy to have it, it means the rest of us don't have to deal with this joke if a political circus.

But don't worry, Nickelsville will say no. The last thing that advances their agenda is being unnoticed. Here’s a suggestion..Why doesn’t Scott Morrow let these people go back to his Tent City 3 & Tent City 4 where the majority came from in the first place.

Nickelsville is a publicity stunt and it’s doing nothing but using these people as pawns and parading them from location to location every few days.

The “operators” of Nickelsville are SHARE/WHEEL, the same people that operate Tent City 3 & 4. Scott Morrow is their founder. Leo Rhodes is their “treasurer”. Anitra Freeman is their president. This is not some random group of people off the streets.

The majority of the Nickelsville residents are made up of people brought over from SHARE/WHEEL’s two tent cities in order for them to force their agenda to have a Portland style Dignity Village.Scott thought that he was going to get that back in May 2004, but the Brickyard Park and Ride site didn’t work out so well for him and thus Tent City 4 began rotating through Eastside churches every 90 days.

Scott Morrow and his associates at SHARE/WHEEL are trying desperately to disassociate with being behind “Nickelsville” as a way to get around the 2002 Consent Decree. (King County Superior Court Cast #01-2-10396-2SEA.) Anitra Freeman and Scott Morrow are attempting to hide behind the Veteran’s for Peace organization as a way to get around the 2002 consent decree they have with the City of Seattle, but the facts are accurate and can be proven with the IRS Tax records of SHARE/WHEEL.

SHARE/WHEEL’s attempts to intimidate and make threats in order to extort public land are wearing thin. SHARE/WHEEL and Scott Morrow used these tactics over the Safe Harbors issue two years ago. They used it back in May 2004 as a way of forming Tent City 4. It’s always “give us/or we will open mulitiple tent cities.”

Now, SHARE/WHEEL and Scott Morrow are taking advantage of the economic crisis and using it as an excuse when the fact remains the majority of the residents of Nickelsville came from other SHARE/WHEEL shelters.
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Cienna: there is no outcry in georgetown. only the voices of one, maybe two people. They do not represent the neighborhood. that you are on the end of a mimi campaign doesn't make it so. You are being used as a tool for the outrage of one household. get a clue
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I live in Georgetown and am not super crazy about a tent city moving within a mile of my neighborhood. Does that make me a "whiny worrier" or "grunge-lite NIMBY" who doesn't appreciate how awesome GT used to be before hip bars, eateries and festivals ruined the aesthetic brought on by cheap housing and plentiful druggies? Possibly. It also makes me someone concerned about the fact that a permanent tent city won’t actually get one single person off the street at night.

Throwing 100-150 tents into an area might make it marginally safer for a fraction of the city’s homeless, but it won’t do much to really help homelessness and actually makes the areas around them less safe. The city of Nashville actually found that in an area around their tent city, crime rose 21 percent, while it decreased 18 percent in the rest of the precinct over that period of time. What is the mayor's plan for making sure that doesn't happen here? What happens to the problem people drawn to a tent city that are turned away due to past rule violations? Do they just find a piece of grass nearby?

It just makes me wonder how a mayor can make a decision like that without a single bit of community outreach or transparency into the decision making process.
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Not sure how being against the permanent installation of 100+ winos in tents next door to you makes you a NIMBY. Sure when they sing "Sho Fly" and other hobo songs they are a lot of fun but then comes the vomit. And I mean a lot of vomit. You were having so much fun up until then too.

Shouldn't you be allowed to voice an opinion about what is going on in your own neighborhood? And just because some idiot that doesn't live there disagrees with you, so, it is ok for them to place a negative label on you.
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I grew up near San Francisco in the 80s and early 90s when the homeless had political clout, read: no one had the balls to say no to any of their "advocates." Civic Center was a de facto homeless camp, and, no, it didn't do one fucking thing to solve homelessness or get those people off the streets. I'd argue the only benefit to it was freaking out the richey-riches on their way to the opera or ballet.

In the mid '90s, the city had finally had enough and committed the most unpardonable of sins -- forcing homeless people to accept the housing that they had been offered. The city is cleaner now than I ever thought possible.

I hope my fears that Nickelsville is going to create the same sort of mess are unfounded but I really doubt it. One reason the Tent Cities work is their commitment to working with the neighborhoods that host them, a commitment that's reinforced by the temporariness of the entire enterprise. No goodwill or good behavior means no one will offer to host them.

Once Nickelsville is permanent, what, if anything, is the city going to do if the residents don't show the same goodwill? Since the city doesn't give much of a shit about SODO/Georgetown, I'm guessing absolutely nothing.
18
I find their sense of entitlement about a permanent place to live upsetting. Can I also send an ultimatum to the city requesting permanent residence on a piece of public property? I'm sick of paying rent and then being displaced when my landlord sells the property or rents go up. Why do they feel that the city owes them land? Just because it's a lot of work to keep moving around?
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@15:
Of course, the Sunny Jim site is about THREE TIMES as far away from the residental heart of Georgetown as the first Nichelsville site on West Marginal was -- and there was no noticable change in "homeless crime" in Georgetown back when it was located signifigantly closer to G-Town.

And keep in mind, Clint, the REAL story here is that it's the "concerned neighbors" (i.e.: the NIMBY asses) similar to you -- but with higher property values -- living in Magnolia, Queen Anne and West Seattle that have gotten the NUMBER FOUR site picked over much better sites in THEIR back yards.

If G-Town/SODO has to pull the weight for the well-to-do Seattleites who talk a good game about poverty, equality and human rights, but don't want to actually SEE the poor on their way to buy organic, free-trade produce at Whole Foods, well... what else is new, really?!?

Hardly shocked-
-A non-NIMBY G-Towner

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If you REALLY cared Tim, you'd just let them live with you. Then they wouldn't be homeless anymore and you could feel even more fantastic about yourself. A true win/win.
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Having worked with people in Tent City 3, Tent City 4, and Nickelsville and I know that they all want permanent housing inside. The just isn't any. A lot of these people get up every morning and go to work. Their code of conduct at the camps are harder than you think. They do a good job at policing themselves and weeding out the bad apples, just like the rest of us do in society and one of the big pluses about these camps filled with homeless people are that they are screened before they move in. Not like your neighbors, so you know that there are no sex offenders in the camps. You know that there is no one there with warrants out on them. Wish I could say the same for the people that move in to the house down the street or the apartments behind me.
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THE ONLY GOOD HOMELESS PERSON IS ONE IN JAIL FOR PERMANENT HOUSING.

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