Film/TV Dec 6, 2010 at 10:04 am

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1
The secrets are all encrypted right now. Only one responsible, non-14 year, non-Julian needs to hold the key to decrypt the secrets. Upon his death that one person releases the secret key and then all of the already distributed insurance documents magically open.
2
Dear Cienna,

If you have little to no knowledge of what a "hacker" is you shouldn't be writing a post about technology because you're too ignorant to ever be able to provide valuable information or background.

WikiLeaks is a big deal and will shape the future of whatever "Net Neutrality" will become and you post about a rumor of an insurance policy? Dude is being chased by multiple governments because of the information he has and refusal to allow them to control it.

Is the Slog fucking with me today, or have I just lost my rose colored glasses?
3
The file is encrypted with a 256 bit key. For all intents and purposes it's unbreakable without the hash.
4
Homing. You mean homing in. Hone is what you do to a razor to get it sharp.
5
Yes, they are likely 14 years old, but they are unlikely to be able to factor a number that is the product of two massive primes, so the secrets are safe until Assange decides they should be released.
6
"homing" in, Cienna, not "honing." Homing - like a homing pigeon.
7
As already posted above, your idea of a hacker is a little naive. Maybe some are 14-year-old virgins, but that doesn't mean they aren't damn smart. Also, the encrypted file is publicly available, so anyone who has Internet access can get it. The file is highly encrypted. The idea is that the "hacker" community (young virgins and others) will post the information all over the place once the private key is released.

Of course, this is real news, and my impression of alt-weekly "reporters" is that they're all pot-smoking four-loco drinkers who write columns to pay the bills while they're "in between books"; so what alt-weekly "reporter" is going to be able to interpret this real news correctly?
8
I'm pretty sure this whole spectacle will be turned into at least one made-for-tv-movie and/or miniseries. But who will play Assuange? Carson Kressley? Anderson Cooper (after a night of heavy drinking)?
9
@4,6, Nope, I didn't mean "homing in" I meant "honing in." But thanks!
10
If he is killed than his insurance is a bit lame.
11
@9, but "honing in" is a mistake, pure and simple.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar…
12
Cienna is obviously a twit.

She'd do better writing about tech if her knowledge didn't come from bullshit Hollywood movies.
13
Also, re: "honing in". It has to be correct, Corky St. Claire said it!
14
@11, your link seems to contradict what you say.

"The few commentators who have noticed hone in consider it to be a mistake for home in. It may have arisen from home in by the weakening of the \m\ sound to \n\ or may perhaps simply be due to the influence of hone. Though it seems to have established itself in American English (and mention in a British usage book suggests it is used in British English too), your use of it especially in writing is likely to be called a mistake. Home in or in figurative use zero in does nicely."
15
welcome to the interwebs cienna. be careful of all the hackers. maybe you should just stick to your typewriter.
16
Is it really so shocking in this day and age that a 14-year-old might be a virgin?

Also, does wikileaks even do any hacking? I thought they just had informants.
17
Fucking Christ. I can't decide whether to cry or smash things after reading this idiotic post.
18
i've seen plenty of posts on slog along the lines of, "hey, i don't know what this is, could readers who might know help me out?"... is this what we call crowdsourcing? anyway, post could have been written in that fashion and everyone might have turned out better informed without the snark and anger.

btw, even someone with my weak grasp of english knows that 'honing in on' is just stupidly wrong. defiance in the name of idiocy is so painful to witness.
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@17: Those are not mutually exclusive actions. I say go for it!
20
@14, how on earth does that contradict what I said? "Hone in" is a mistake, and is likely to be called a mistake.
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It is my understanding that "honing in" is a malaprop as explained here: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagel…
22
Wow, I guess I was the only one who noticed the hyperbole in your hacker joke there.

I liked ONE part of SNL this weekend and it was Bill Hader's last line as Wiki-man:

"Just remember, However I die, It was murder!"
23
Uh, THEY (Wikileaks) distributed the insurance file to the GENERAL PUBLIC. There are torrents of the file that anyone can download right now. The key to decrypt it on the other hand, is what would be distributed. Additionally, it is not necessary that more than a very small handful of people know this key to ensure that it is distributed when necessary. In fact, he may be the only person who knows it, but there is an automated system that will release they key if he is prohibited from having access to it.

Also keep in mind that 256-bit encryption is virtually uncrackable.

For somebody who gets paid to write, you should considering knowing what the fuck you are writing about before writing about it.
24
@7 I somewhat agree, but these "bloggers/posters" also write stories for the actual publication.

If you read Slog, it's really hard to take pieces by a few particular staff members in "The Stranger" seriously. Some just should only stick to making their weekly deadlines and leave the Slog to others.

Bottom line: no matter how great the story is, I'm NOT ever going to read a story with a "Cienna Madrid" byline again and this is directly due to her Slog posts.
25
Wow. Can't anyone be even remotely polite when pointing out that Cienna's impression of hackers doesn't mesh with the current reality?

Seriously @2, @12, @15.

@18, you win.
26
@ 20, I believe @ 14 is talking about the fact that "hone in" is pretty well established in English, as your link states, even though it also explains its origins as a likely mistake for "home in." But English is full of such expressions; if I'm not mistaken, "cut the mustard" is a similar mistake.
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previous was @ 18.

28
Wikileaks has 500+ active live web mirrors as of today. The US government lost this fight as soon as it began, and will only be pouring gasoline on the fire if they have Assange arrested. The two (yeah, there are reportedly two separate ones now) insurance files will go live. Anyone who thinks our country isn't orchestrating--or at a minimum, goading this on--is deluded.

It's a no-win situation for our government and always has been. Even worse: Assange is just the public face of the group and reportedly not even the key member. Take him down, and it won't stop Wikileaks.
29
@3 dotSpec "The file is encrypted with a 256 bit key. For all intents and purposes it's unbreakable without the hash."

Correct.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5723136/…

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comment…
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@28 So true. It's insane that they think that taking down Assange will actually change anything. It shows complete ignorance of technology. What I fear is that this will spur some sort of ridiculous legislation that will grossly limit the rights of journalists.
31
@30 like Lieberman's bill today that says you can't report on state secrets?
32
@30 and I should add, that in general, even in tech news sources, they rarely really delve into the simple facts of how this stuff happens. This battle is completely and utterly lost at this point by all the governments of the West.
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@32 I can see this triggering much more interest in passing some of the loony international copyright treaties in an effort to stuff the genie back into the bottle.
34
Meh, this is all starting to play out like a bad "GI Joe" cartoon storyline, with Assange being (reluctantly) cast in the role of the COBRA Commander.

But, like the animated version, no matter how much money, personnel and fancy ordinance the Joe's throw at their nemesis, I expect COBRA (i.e. WikiLeaks) will just keep bouncing back in one form or another to continue its harassment and mockery of the "good guys" in future episodes.
35
@30: What's insane is the order they made a few days ago, threatening people with state jobs if they accessed Wikileaks on even their personal computers. They've officially taken the position of "The government must be serviced by mindless drones. If, even in your personal life, you show a spark of curiosity/humanity/intellect, you will be removed from the system"

Or, Tea Party wins, whether it was actually trying or not.
36
"So what I want to know is, what hacker—or network of hackers—would sit on that kind of information and not just publish it immediately?"


Come on, two minutes with Google would have given you the answer to this. Maybe one minute if you read fast. It also would have let you know that this isn't a theoretically credible rumour, it's actually the case.

No matter how people use it, "honing in" isn't correct. It's very simple. Look up the definition of "hone". It means to sharpen. If you can explain the way in which locating someone and going to that location is "sharpening", I'll concede the point.

This is just sloppy.
37
"My God, the encryption in the movie Swordfish was 512 bit and that was hacked! This is only 256! Certainly someone can..."

Anyway. Stupid post, OP.

The Reston 5 protocol is unverified and likely a bluff.

The main criticism being that it's just as easy to break the file up into a couple dozen files and uniquely encrypt them which would make them varifiable by releasing the code to one random file for verification.

I sure do hope Reston 5 is everything it should be. That would be freakin' sweet.

Also: The only thing wrong with Fnarf's link re: hone vs. home is that it's to Websters and not Oxford.

Hone is ridiculous.

Might as well defend Sherbert over Sherbet.
38
@26, hone in differs from cut the mustard in that there is a correct, synonymous version available. (And nobody has ever written "cut the muster," according to the OED.)

Similarly (and a really frequent mistake made in the Stranger), "beg the question" in the incorrect sense of "poses the question" or "brings up the question," though the problem is worse there in that there's a correct usage of "begging the question" as a logical flaw that becomes impossible to use.
39
Hackers like Assange was when he was a hacker. Ethical ones. I'm gonna presume Assange, a former hacker, knows who the trustworthy and untrustworthy hackers are.
40
@25 for the true NW passive aggressive smackdown.

as for honing, homing... er what about "Money is no object"?

is object the right word there? how does that make sense?
41
@9: Yeah, I meant hone. I knew it was wrong but I was being, uh, creative. Yeah that's the ticket..."

You're embarrassing yourself here.
42
Those defending the use of hone because a lot of people use it incorreclty so it's "established": A lot of people say "for all intensive purposes" and "irregardless" and "a mute point" but educated people -- and I would think even a Stranger blogger would be considered such -- know that they're wrong.
43
Obviously we need to hone in on virginity.
44
@38 Passive aggressive doesn't mean what you think it means (def. below). I think the attack you want to use on me is "hypocrisy" in that you think my reply was equally rude.

Passive Aggressive: "Of, relating to, or having a personality disorder characterized by habitual passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in occupational or social situations, as by procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, and inefficiency."
45
pardon me @38. Apparently that comment is now @40. My apologies.
46
Assange Accuser Worked with US-Funded, CIA-Tied Anti-Castro Group

http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/201…
48
Did we learn nothing from all those hours wasted watching Lost? Here's how Assange protects himself: He widely distributes encrypted information that is very damaging to those who are after him. Then he sets up his own computer to distribute the encryption key if he doesn't enter some code that only he knows into his computer every hour or day or whatever. Then he tells those who are after him about what he's done so they'll leave him alone because they know if they arrest or kill him (or if he loses his laptop) he won't be entering the code and the encryption key will be distributed.
49
@9 - See Garner's Modern American Usage: Home in, not hone in, is the correct phrase.

One can hone one's estimate of a location (i.e. make sharper) but "hone in" is meaningless, or built on Palinesque logic.
51
What @4, 6, 11, 21 et al said. "Honing in" is wrong and ignorant.

Worse thread-jacking: While we're at it, quit using "gin up." It should be "djinn up" or "jinn up," meaning "to conjure magically" as would a djinn, the Arab mythical spirit, aka genie. Think Barbara Eden, not the distilled beverage.
52
@51 Really? I just assumed the gin in gin up descended from the ginning of a raw material into textile.

Thanks for the info!
53
I can't wait for the movie!
54
College English professor concurs with 11, 12, 21 et al.: Cienna Madrid is a) wrong, and b) an embarrassment for getting publicly butthurt about how wrong she is.
55
@52 I can't actually find a reference for this (not that I've spent very long looking). The OED doesn't have a result for either "gin up" or "jinn/djinn up." The defs for "gin" include "to trap or ensnare" and "crafty," which are not as close to the usual recent usage of "gin up" as "to conjure," so I think it's pretty likely that the Anglicized Arabic word is really the original usage, but I can't cite anything for that.
56
@51: I'd be interested in a citation for this (besides comment #51). Based on an admittedly short web search you seem to be the only one claiming this.
57
@51/55:
And do you also refer to Eli Whitney's noted invention as the "cotton djinn"? It's "gin up," think "gin" as in "n. Any of various tools or mechanical devices," not the distilled beverage.
58
woah.
59
Wouldn't virginity be the norm for 14 year olds? Or was Cienna advanced at that age?
60
@ 57 No, cotton gin obviously comes from the definition of gin meaning "cunning, craft, artifice," which is the 1st def in the OED for nouns, although I doubt most of us ever use it. But the usage "gin up" always seems to mean "to make something out of nothing." That idea's closer to pulling something out of your ass by slight-of-hand than "clever" and I'll bet you a dollar if you could find an original usage, it would be some some Brit from the Cairo office meaning (and probably writing) "jinn up."

I think this is a case of a term that's become trendy without anyone really understanding where it comes from.
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@60:
Sorry! I was a little slow to catch on that your previous posts were intended to be a joke, and thus ruined the effect, but I get it now. I hope @52 was kidding too.
62
@60: cotton gin is short for "cotton engine".
63
Well, it's not exactly original. Shibumi, by Trevanian, had a similar plot point. A character named the Gnome had hacked all kinds of government information, and the main character (an assassin) used that information to blackmail countries so he can do his work -- info in a dead man switch with would be published if anything happened to him.
64
@44 - Even if @40 was using the understood definition of passive aggression, which is basically "deniable hostility" ("Oh - I didn't mean it THAT way"), @25's comment still wouldn't qualify as passive aggressive.
65
@61, I posted 52. I wasn't joking. I'm just wrong about things sometimes.

Do you have an etymology for this "gin up" that can settle this or are you just being awesome?
66
@59:

I believe you meant to say "virdjinnity"...
67
@20 -- #14 here. Looks like this party is over, but what I was trying to say was, it looked like the thing you linked to says "people often say this is a mistake, but it's not." FWIW, which isn't much, I've always said "home in," and even if "hone in" turns out to be correct in some way I don't think I would ever purposely use it.
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60 - OMG it's "sleight of hand."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/s…
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@65:
The etymology is disputed (some think it comes from "ginger up"), but nobody thinks it derives from "djinn." I can't post links so you'll have to Google this yourself, but from something called the Eggcorn Database, 2005:

"The now-opaque expression “gin up” ’stir up, get something going’ (Dictionary of American Regional English) or ‘enliven’ or ‘create, develop’ contains, according to OED2, the “gin” of “cotton gin” (from “engine”). A modest number of people seem to have reinterpreted this expression as involving “djinn”, presumably on the grounds that a djinn(i) can create or fetch things. This version doesn’t seem to have made it into any dictionaries, and the ratio of relevant Google webhits is about 200 to 1 in favor of “gin”." [All the webhits cited of "djinn up" are modern usages. If you wanted to prove it was "djinn up," you'd have to find a usage of "djinn up" that was at least as old as "gin up".]
70
What's interesting is that it's rumored to disclose secrets on BP, Guantanamo, maybe BoA and who else? Yet governments around the world are being threatened with this insurance policy, not any specific corporation. These corporations are that entangled with government then. And it must be a huge enough secret that it could keep his ass alive.

Assange is very smart, I don't think he'd let that many people hold the key, and if it's anyone else besides just himself, it's probably people who are smart, mature, hidden enough to keep a secret in the same way your average power elite secret society could.
71
A quick scan of the comments thread so far doesn't show this, so...

Assange *has been* arrested. Here in the UK, apparently at a voluntary arranged meeting. He's been refused bail despite numerous people stepping up to pay. Sweden is calling for him to be extradited to face four charges of sexual assault against two women there - as far as I can tell those were not concocted for anything to do with the leaks as those reports were made in August. Obviously though, the timing of this arrest is fishy, and as far as I can find out there's some debate even within Sweden about whether it happened at all and, evidence is meagre, and the case has been closed at least once already due to that. The charge was not cooked up for use in this whole business but I'll eat my own head if various authorities don't intend to make good use of it.

Assange is a creepy-looking guy and clearly has led an interesting life, for want of a better turn of phrase, but the fact that some parties in the US are calling for his execution pretty much just shores up my belief in the fact that your administration is batshit crazy. I guess it all just points to the fact that there needs to be some consensus drawn between net neutrality, freedom of information and the fact that sometimes it really is a better idea for the general public not to know absolutely everything. Because in theory information should be free, but in practice, "the general public" is really fucking stupid sometimes. I won't pretend to have a good idea of where that line should be drawn... but clearly it isn't here.
72
Another point: Don't we WANT 14-year-olds to be virgins, at least for a little while longer?
73
@67: What? No, that quote says, clearly, that "hone in" is a mistake.
74
@71: creepy-looking? I find him sexy as hell.
75
@73 - OK, fine then. It's a mistake.
76
Totally a mistake.

Also, I heard that the crime he's been arrested for is basically having consensual sex without a condom. WE SHALL SEE.
77
I would bet the sex charges are made up to move the conversation away from the patently evil things the US and it's corporate overlords are doing. I just thought I'd state the obvious.
78
Hey, wanna get really mad at someone over grammar? I just put an 'it's' where I should have put an 'its'. I mean, what a fucking moron! Am I right?
79
The reason Assange wasn't arrested until today (now yesterday) is because they didn't have a proper warrant yet. Arresting someone in one country (the UK) on a warrant issued in another country (Sweden) is complicated and takes time. As soon as the warrant papers were prepared Assange turned himself in and was arrested. Now the extradition process begins, which should be pretty smooth. In Sweden, he faces four different counts of sexual offenses, one of which is for allegedly having sex without a condom when his partner wanted him to use one; the others are more serious, but Sweden's consensual sex laws are complicated. We'll see what happens.

There is absolutely nothing untoward in what's happening in this case; it's proceeding normally and above-board. It's possible that pressure was applied to escalate the case, including the Interpol warrant, but that has no bearing on what will actually happen at his trial. It's not like he's been bundled away to Guantanamo; he's in British hands, following British procedure for now.
80
The British crimial justice system is quite famous for it's human rights abuses. It's not like the US. Assange is being held on remand. In the UK, you can be held on remand for years without ever being charged. Clearly that's not possible in the US. Also, British prisons are much worse than American ones.
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@80: "The British crimial justice system is quite famous for it's human rights abuses. It's not like the US."

You're kidding, right? Wrongful convictions, capital punishment, executions of minors and the intellectually disabled, Guantanamo Bay... ring any bells?
82
@81- I assumed #80 was being sarcastic, but now you've got me worried.
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@81 and 82. I did mis-speak when I said "you can be held on remand for years without being charged." I meant to say without being tried. No, I'm not being sarcastic. Guantanamo is hardly the typical experience of the US justice system. And yes, I do know people who have been in British prisons and the conditions are far worse than they are here.
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@79 I wonder if we can do a retroactive arrest of George Bush Sr. for the condom breaking when George Bush's parents had sex and extradite them all to Sweden?
85
This is seriously the stupidest thing I've seen from a "tech writer."

As MANY others have pointed out, the files are encrypted by a 256 digit key. Alphanumeric. You do the math.

Oh, and nice one on your bigoted impression of "hackers."

Learn to google. Seriously.

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