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14 of the 28 : 2008
12 of the 21 : 2009
8 of the 17 : 2010

Thus half is the portion of murders committed in Seattle by a group that makes up a very small small portion of Seattle.
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@105, About 20% of black Seattleites are below the poverty line, about 7% of white Seattleites are below the poverty line. About 8% of Seattleites are black, while about 70% are white - blacks are hit by poverty much, much harder than whites, and harder than any other minority apart from Native Americans who comprise less than 1% of Seattleites.

I've already shown you a whole bunch of statistics that show how flimsy your thesis that 'blackness causes crime' is, and more than enough for us to hypothesize that poverty creates crime, I really see no purpose in ferreting out the stats that show how flimsy your belief that 'blackness causes murder' is. For fun, google which countries have the highest rates of homicide, and you'll see that countries in Latin America and Eastern Europe give the ones in Africa a run for their money. You're as likely to be killed in Ciudad Juarez in Mexico as you are in Baghdad. It's not black people that ties all these places together, it's poverty.

Where's the study, controlled for economic inequality, that shows black people are more likely to commit murder than any other group? It doesn't exist. I could show you study after study that show murder and other violent crimes are tied to poverty, and the most you can muster are the murder stats for Seattle. I can also tell you why it's useful to focus on the crime/poverty correlation: if we can lower poverty, we can lower crime. You have yet to tell us why it's useful to focus on any verifiably incidental crime/race correlation. The only function as I see it is to sow discord, distrust, and hate. I'm just going to go ahead and Godwin this thread now, because at this point we're kicking a dead horse, but if we accept your thesis as true and follow it to its natural conclusion, we're either firing up the ovens or reinstating the three-fifths rule.

Arbeit macht frei! motherfucker - and fuck you too, if you can afford an iphone to hide from all the scary people riding the bus.
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Next time you are getting attacked on the bus or the bus stop, just tell yourself it is just because they are poor, then. Maybe try telling them how " down with the struggle" you are and how you voted for Obama. See how effective that is.
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@107:
>implying that inner-city crime is caused primarily by racial tension
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"I blame random dark skinned people"

Not random at all, I can tell the difference between a thug and a respectable person. Here's a tutorial:

youtu.be/gwejDybX8oA
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@107, Fuck yeah, I'm "down with the struggle". It runs in three generations of Greenberg blood and the message of human equality spreads every day. It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than getting my face smashed in to smash my faith in our common humanity and equality. The "struggle" is being won in the Developed world (though it is technically never "won"), and being fought for everywhere else. It's been nearly 50 years since King spoke "I have a dream", and the day that we judge people not by the color of their skin, or any other immutable fact of their creation, but by the content of their character looks not impossibly far away. What have your ideas achieved since that internecine snit back in the 1860s? What's that? A few lynchings? A couple Jim Crow laws? Birth of a Nation? Fa, I laugh at your impotent ideas. Your children's children will see you as the failure you are.
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It is hilarious how all you athiest evolutionists (I'm one too) turn instantly into faith-based creationists when it comes to "equality".
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Isn't it funny how the two most "liberal" cities in the USA, Portland and Seattle, are also the two whitest cities in the USA?
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"by the content of their character looks not impossibly far away"

So you oppose set asides, quotas, affirmative action and its latest rebirth as 'social justice' (as opposed to equal justice)?

You support the 2007 Ballard High School decision by the Supreme Court that forced the SPS to stop using race in school assignments?

Good for you!
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@113, I did a quick check, the poverty rate in El Paso is 22.6%, while in Detroit it's 36.4%. That seems like a pretty significant difference. Also, 8% of El Paso is making half the poverty line income, while 18.5% of Detroit is making half the poverty line income. Not only is poverty in Detroit more widespread, it is fucking intense. I don't think it's unrealistic to suggest that violent crime is tied somehow to the intensity of poverty. Also the population density of Detroit is significantly higher than that of El Paso (5,142/sq mi to 2,446.7/sq mi). The tighter you pack people, the more volatile they can be.
Sources:
http://www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty…
http://www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty…

@112, Ha, creationist? I don't need to resort to faith to justify my position, I can look to science. Genetic research shows that there is about a .1% variation in genetic material between individuals, our differences are superficial. Race is a construct. You have yet to provide anything to justify your feelings about scary black people.
Source:
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11…
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"Race is a construct. You have yet to provide anything to justify your feelings about scary black people."

Its not about race, it's about a culture of drugs, promiscuity, welfare, single parenthood and lack of personal responsibility created, encouraged and financed by the loony left.
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@116, You may have guessed that I have a fondness for the words of Martin Luther King Jr. Why don't we look at what he has to say about affirmative action:

Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree, but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic." -- 1964, Why We Can't Wait.

Although the terms desegregation and integration are used interchangeably, there is a great deal of difference between the two...Desegregation simply removes legal and social prohibitions. Integration is creative...more profound and far reaching than desegregation... Integration...is the welcome participation of Negroes into the total range of human activities...Desegregation is not enough; integration alone is consonant with our national purpose." -- "Ethical Demands for Integration" ,1963 p 118.

Reporter: Do you feel it's fair to request a multi-billion dollar program of preferential treatment for the Negro, or any other minority?

Dr. King: I do indeed...Within common law, we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs. ... America adopted a policy of special treatment for her millions of veterans...They could negotiate loans from banks to launch businesses. They could receive special points to place them ahead in competition for civil service jobs...There was no appreciable resentment of the preferential treatment being given to the special group. -- Interview,1965, p.367
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@118, Citation please.
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Something tells me if we gave out 40 acres and a mule, on top of the trillions in welfare already spent in the past 40 years, it'd be traded for some rims, crack and a 50 Cent pimpin' mix.

Other solution might be to stop using 'acting white' as an epithet.
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@117, you creationist. The article you cited is out of date, 2004, and does not jibe with the latest findings of the Human Genome Project. Look up the article "Turning-point" at The Economist.

"Ten years after the reading of the human genome, humanity is about to confront its true nature"

"Genomics may reveal that humans really are brothers and sisters under the skin. The species is young, so there has been little time for differences to evolve. Politically, that would be good news. It may turn out, however, that some differences both between and within groups are quite marked. If those differences are in sensitive traits like personality or intelligence, real trouble could ensue.

People must be prepared for this possibility, and ready to resist the excesses of racialism, nationalism and eugenics that some are bound to propose in response. That will not be easy. The liberal answer is to respect people as individuals, regardless of the genetic hand that they have been dealt. Genetic knowledge, however awkward, does not change that."
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@Alleged Is the concept of providing some kind of empirical basis for your beliefs alien to you? Where do you come from that feelings are enough to justify anything more than what you have for lunch? "Something tells me" is not a useful metric for determining how to run a country, unless "something" is a reputable study after reputable study.

I repeat: citation please.
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@120 So, did you agree with the 2007 Supreme Court case that the Seattle Public Schools could not use the color of people's skin to determine where they go to school?
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@123 How come you ignore cited data that shows blacks have a propensity towards criminality? Or is only your data valid?
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Haven't you heard? Planning ahead for the future is something that only racist whites do, due to their inherent "whiteness" and because they are "ice people". Didn't you go to Seattle Public Schools?
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@122, The article you cite is not scientific, and does not make any claim that race determines anything about personality or intelligence. Furthermore it warns against the kind of racism you hold so dear should any such determinations ever be made. It also comments that "humans [may] really [be] brothers and sisters under the skin".

You have yet to offer anything useful for your POV.
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@125, Where is your data, which controlling for all other factors, shows blacks have a higher propensity for violence? I haven't cited it because I have never seen it.

@124, I'm a Portlander studying abroad, I have little interest in Seattle politics and beyond the tunnel, nil awareness. I have no knowledge of or opinion on whatever court case you're citing.
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@127 just keep telling yourself that, you creationist. All races are exactly the same! But celebrate diversity anyway! Maybe you can tell that to your black attackers next time and see how far that gets you.
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"You have yet to offer anything useful for your POV"

So you don't believe crime stats? Such as the stats in Seattle that show that blacks, 8% of the population, commit over half the murders every year? Even if blacks have double the poverty rate, that doesn't even come close to explaining how 8% (actually only about 2% of the population if we're talking young black males) commit fully half of the murders in Seattle every year. In Baltimore, they commit 80% of the murders.
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" which controlling for all other factors"

Which is sociologism-speak for 'excuses'.
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I don't understand why, even though you folks recognize this dude is a troll, you have helped him take what was previously a thread about a transgendered woman and handed it to him as a symposium on whether black people are genetically inferior. He's a troll. There is no point you can prove to him. He's not listening, he is only cutting and pasting. Worse, he is the most dreadfully boring troll. I mean, come on.

Feh. Now I'm crabby.
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And how come when I go to the ID (aka 'Chinatown') in Seattle, and see all those poor Vietnamese, Chinese, Filipino immigrants it's the blacks I have to worry about not the Asians?
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@Ken, Baltimore is more comparable to El Paso in terms of poverty, but again, Baltimore is much more dense than El Paso (6,745.8/sq mi to 2,446.7/sq mi). I think this contributes to the difference. I wouldn't claim that poverty is the only contributing factor in crime, rather it is the one of the central factors intersecting to incite crime.

Culture is a big part of it too, but for Alleged, culture is a product of race. The history of blacks in America is far different from the history of any other ethno-racial group, and from the start the roles and manners of black people has been dictated by white people. Even today, the number of ways to be black and acceptable to the wider culture is highly limited. The "culture of drugs, promiscuity, welfare, single parenthood and lack of personal responsibility" Alleged associates with blacks for him is ultimately the Left's enabling of essentially "black" behavior, when in reality it is a product of centuries of oppression and a wider society which determines which roles and manners are acceptable for black people. This isn't to say that other groups don't face similar disenfranchisement, but that the disenfranchisement of blacks is an American institution, of which poverty is only one of the larger pillars.
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@130, Race =/= culture
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Shorter #133: nanny nanny boo boo, I can't hear you!

Gee isn't the Mcdonalds at 3rd and Pine and the surrounding sidewalk such a wonderful place to hang out? It is so awesome how many of the patrons enrich our boring white lives with their amazing vibrant diversity.

I remember a few months ago, on the very same couple of days that whining about Justice Sanders was all the rage here on slog, two blacks shot and killed two other blacks downtown in unrelated murders. Don't confuse "progressives" with facts.
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@135. Gee that's funny, white liberals like you are always going on and on about how wonderful urban density is here on slog.
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"which roles and manners are acceptable for black people"

What, roles like the most powerful man on the Planet? Or secretary of state? Or chairman of the joint chiefs? Or the supreme court?
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If race is "just a social construct" then why are so many modern pharmaceuticals targeted specifically for blacks? Why is race such a huge important factor when it comes to bone-marrow transplants???!?
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@141 the one in my boring, non-"vibrant" whitey white town is perfectly safe, except for the food.
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Can any of you members of the Faith-Based Progressive Orthodox Church answer this question?:

If race is "just a social construct", then why is race such a hugely important factor in bone-marrow transplants?
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Violence on "African American Family Day" at the National Zoo? I am so shocked and completely surprised!

tinyurl.com/6ao5zdu

"16-year old arrested in National Zoo stabbing"

Then just after 3 p.m., chaos and confusion when a fight broke out near the concession area.

"The next thing I know, the altercation jumps out with a little kid, the boy runs behind another one and stabs him. They were fighting. One guy got knocked out," said zoo visitor Regina Jackson.

"The first thing we saw, there was a rush on the 7-Eleven. They pretty much pushed the owner out the door. The next thing you know, they ran across the street and apparently they’re in the zoo. The next thing we saw was a bunch of young people running through the zoo. Police or security are pretty much chasing these people throughout the zoo," said visitor Henry Marcinowski.

The fight caused zoo officials to tell visitors over the loudspeaker to leave the area. Police set up at the front entrance to escort visitors out and no one was allowed back inside.

"They were knocking over strollers and things like that, babies in the stroller," said Donetta Byrd.

"They were getting us out of here swiftly. People started running," said Regina Jackson.

Police say a teenager had been jumped by another group of young people. Witnesses say he was punched and kicked several times before one suspect pulled out a knife and stabbed him several times. Police also say the melee continued after the victim left the zoo.

"At some point, the stabbing victim left the grounds of the zoo and possibly could have encountered the same group where he was possibly stabbed again and then the suspect or suspects fled the scene," said D.C. Police Commander Michael Reese.

....

Easter Monday is traditionally African American Family Day at the National Zoo.  Easter Monday has been a Washington-area multicultural tradition that spans more than 100 years.  In 2000, there was a multiple shooting at the zoo during the same event.

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@144, Wrong.

@145, You are having are hard time understanding what constitutes useful information. I could find you endless articles describing violence perpetrated by whites, and it would be no more proof that whites are inherently violent people than what you have presented here as proof that blacks are violent. All this proves is that you have gone and searched out an example of blacks being violent, and found what you were looking for. Do you really need someone to explain confirmation bias to you, and the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence?
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@146

Search? Just put 'African american' in front of an event and wait for the fight.
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" I could find you endless articles describing violence perpetrated by whites"

Of you can. But if you did a search just in your home town, you'd find out that at least 50% of the crime and murder is committed by 8% of the population. So when you get on the bus in the Rainier Valley and a group of young black men or girls get on board, it would be smart to put your iPhone away. Get on a bus in Ballard and a group of white teens gets on board? No need.

This isn't racism, it's common sense.
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@146.  I didn't have to search at all, it is national news and it just happened two days ago.

You foolish creationist, regarding the race and bone marrow issue - your own link says this... did you even actually read it????  LOL:

"Some patients face a greater challenge in finding a suitable donor or cord blood unit than others. At a detailed level, some HLA types are more common than others. In addition, some types are found more often in some racial and ethnic groups than others. Because HLA types are inherited, your best chance of finding a suitable donor may be with someone of a similar racial or ethnic background. "
-------

Time Magazine says this:
http://tinyurl.com/29qvzzg

Bone Marrow Transplants: When Race Is an Issue

By Christopher Shay Thursday, Jun. 03, 2010

"...Devan would need a marrow transplant. The prospect of going through chemotherapy for a second time and needing a transplant is daunting to anyone, but it's especially harrowing if — like Devan — you're of mixed race. Multiracial patients often have an incredibly hard time finding life-saving marrow matches. When Devan, whose father is Caucasian and mother is part Indian, was first diagnosed with leukemia, his family did a search of the international marrow registry that contains over 14 million donors and came up empty. "

...

"Compared to organ transplants, bone marrow donations need to be even more genetically similar to their recipients. Though there are exceptions, the vast majority of successful matches take place between donors and patients of the same ethnic background. Since all the immune system's cells come from bone marrow, a transplant essentially introduces a new immune system to a person. Without genetic similarity between the donor and the patient, the new white blood cells will attack the host body."

....

Knowing that there weren't enough mixed race donors, Devan's parents did everything they could to raise awareness and get people — especially of mixed race — to sign up for a marrow registry."

You silly creationist!

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Race is just a social construct... except when it comes to medical science.
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Okay, let me make another point- the city sucks all over. Black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods, it's all the same. I've seen white girls gang up on lone McDonald's patrons on 2 separate occassions, very similar to this video. Maybe they drug the food? Anyway, it's a depressing area. I don't think it's just poverty or racial tensions because I've since lived in cities since with both that weren't bad. It's just a bizarre perfect storm for hell. I only mentioned economic status because back home that was really the marker for violent areas ( low income city vs suburbs). I don't think it's true for all or even most areas. I also just thought it was hilarious that this is being called a black thug culture problem. Oh brother, take a trip out there and let me know how it goes. It's across the board in white areas too. It sounds downright naive to say that getting rid of a certain sub population would make the area better when in reality the area is full of vicious white people too. If you break it down by precinct white city neighborhoods have equally bad crime rates. I'm actually kind of pissed off by the suggestion that being in a white neighborhood means you have it better. Nope, it sucks all over.

So... I guess the point of me posting is to "defend" the omnipresent assholery that transcends race and gender there because the whole city is uniformly horrible. Baltimore: where black and white people will violently assault you in equal numbers for no reason. Almost touching if it weren't so screwed up. On a positive note, I'm so happy to see that Polis is fighting back and keeping calm about it. So happy that this media coverage is garnering her support.
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@151 it is so interesting how you have absolutely no evidence to back up your assertions, while the New York Times and the Seattle PI and police reports all back up mine. Guess what blacks really do commit half the murders here in whitey white Seattle and none of your wishful thinking or absurd spin or unfounded assertions can change that.
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@151 Can you find the white teens beating up people video because I can't. I can find dozens for black teens...even more if you search for videos on buses, trains, transit tunnels etc.

Now, I'm sure there are videos of white kids doing this shit, the laws of probability mean it's impossible not to have happened but for some reason, blacks seem to be winning the youtube asshole race.
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Hey, found a video of white kids being assholes:

youtube.com/watch?v=gIdtwizIiMQ
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Once you are awake to reality it is almost impossible to go back to sleep. And you "progressives" call me "ignorant" when you don't have any clue about easily verifiable facts. What a joke LOL. Maybe you can try saying that I'm "derailing", isn't that the tactic that progressives use when they don't have any real FACTS or LOGIC to back up their naive faith-based religious fantasies? Ha ha ha!!!!!
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Why do black men rape so much? According to USDOJ & FBI victim surveys, over 37000 (thirty seven thousand) white women are raped and/or sexually assaulted by black men every year in the USA. The annual white man on black woman rape/sex assault rate is less than 10 (ten). In south Africa, one in three black men admit to committing rape, usually multiple times, usually gang rape. Congo is described by the UN as having "the most horrific sexual violence in the world". Why do blacks commit such an astoundingly extreme amount of rape, wherever they are found in the world? Could it have something to do with their scientifically verified higher levels of testosterone and smaller cranial capacities?
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@148: You're right, white teens just get together to murder beloved street performers.
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Huh? The tuba Man's murderers were all black and they were all given minimum sentences by a progressive lesbian judge.
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I don't get it...I don't get why this is your primary concern when you clearly don't even live in the city limits. if one of us plays devil's advocate and acknowledges your facts will you go away? will you let us in on how you bought a bunch of land and you want our help to round up all the troublemakers at the McDonalds on 3rd and Pine so we can bring them there and dispose of the problem? I am just failing to see an endgame here and it's sad because you are wasting your life, son.

actually, I don't give a shit. you are ratcheting up ad hits for this blog's advertisers in a way no one with any responsibilities could ever dream to, so post away, homes.
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@159

WAAAAAH WAAAH WAAAH your tears are delicious grow the fuck up and face the facts of reality nature and evolution you naive white religious kumbaya Pollyanna DoGooder dipshit. Apologize when your granny and daughter get raped in the turd world future that you did your best to help create.
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HBD HUMAN BIO DIVERSITY
HBD look it up you supposedly open minded naive religious faith based Orwellian so-called progressive white "liberals" who live in one of the whitest cities in the USA in some amazing coincidence for some strange reason you disingenuous hypocritica RELIGIOUS wimps
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sooooooooooo that's a "no" to both of my questions? that would have been sufficient, k thnx!
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The most hilarious part of this whole thread is how you silly naive impotent white Seattle liberals think bolding the word "ALLEGED" makes your silly reality-ignoring naive faith-based Creationist religious "argument" somehow carry more weight in your weak wimpy white minds.
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Hey did anybody else ever notice that reality and nature and the animal and plant kingdoms and evolution are totally racist and hierarchical? Somehow none of that matters to the weak sheltered reality-ignoring wimp white minds of pathetic progressives who are in such sad and transparent and DESPERATE DENIAL.
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@160-161,163-165: Would you like some dressing for your word salad? Thousand Island perhaps? Or maybe some Miracle Whip, which is something I understand White People Like?
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What happened just a couple of days ago, my naive white libtards?

http://seattlecrime.com/2011/04/25/the-w…

http://tinyurl.com/63wpdgb

The Weekend Blotter Part 1: Man Shot At SoDo Nightclub

By Jonah Spangenthal-Lee

SPD:

On April 24th at approximately 1:51 a.m. officers responded to a shooting at a club in the 2900 block of 1st Avenue South.  Preliminary investigation indicates that the adult male suspect had been attacked by a group of adult males outside the club.  Club security subsequently broke up the crowd with pepper spray. 

The suspect returned to his vehicle, a black 1990′s Chevy Caprice, and as he was leaving fired several shots at his attackers, striking one of them in the hip and foot.  The suspect then fled northbound and remains at large.

The shooting victim was loaded into a car and transported to Harborview Medical Center by his friends.  Upon arrival they dumped him at the door of the emergency room and left.  Gang Unit detectives responded to Harborview and interviewed the victim.

The suspect is described as a black male in his early 20′s, 5’9″ to 5’11″, 175 lbs., hair in “cornrows”, and last seen wearing a black t-shirt and jeans.

Later in the morning officers located the suspect’s black Chevy Caprice in the Rainier Valley.  The vehicle was impounded and taken to the evidence garage for processing. 

This remains an active and on-going Gang Unit investigation.

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I don't believe it! It's a setup! All black people are like Oprah and the Cosby show!... After all blacks were the victims of the same kinda violence at one point and time too... Surely they would understand firsthand what it’s like to be targeted for discrimination, violence and socially marginalized! NOT! F'ken human Rottweiler’s!
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@9, Retarded, join the army.
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I presume that in 2061 the same 'slavery has irreparably damaged us' arguments will be trotted out to explain black failure? Can someone please explain why black illegitimacy and crime rates are stratospherically higher today than they were when Jim Crow ended?

Apparently just THINKING about it fifty years later is enough to make them misbehave worse than those who actually lived through it.
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As a white trans person who never pees without wondering if something like this could go down...and who has had their own unfortunate experiences with the religiousity in parts of the black community...I gotta say that the racism some folks have displayed after seeing this is really sad and horrible.

There is no "them"...there's just us, black and queer and other, out at the MickeyD's or otherwise trying to share an ever thinner margin. If we can't discuss something like this without resorting to talking about "them", WTF hope do we have of treating each other decently? Meh...
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This gentleman didn't belong in the ladies restroom and should be arrested for it like any other man using the ladies room in a restaurant might be. The two girls who assaulted him should be charged with whatever law allows, which sounds like felony assault.

'Transgender' people should get the mental help they need to recognize biological reality so that they can live healthy and meaningful lives. We would feel no discomfort telling a person who thought himself a potato or a Lancia to get help. Why a failure to recognize your own gender shouldn't be treated similarly escapes me.

See, reality is easy when you aren't trying to distort it to justify your own perversions Savage.
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I never thought I would say anything like this, but thank you, Seattleblues, for returning this thread to the original topic, as mistaken as you are. Biological "reality" is empirically much more complex than xx/xy, and even where it is expressed as xx/xy, peoples' experience clearly varies widely. It hurts no one for someone to identify as different from their birth-assigned gender, and is no skin off anyone's nose to respect that. As a nation we legally respect an individual's right to change their gender, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to enter the spaces of the gender they identify as.
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@177

Were people expressing only their own rights, you'd be correct. This young man dressing as a woman is entirely his business. The privacy rights of the female patrons of public restrooms arguably present a legitimate point at which his right to self expression stops.

Additionally, if a person dresses or behaves oddly and is treated oddly on account of it, it would seem to be his or her problem, not that of those treating them oddly.
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@178, Except she wasn't violating any privacy rights of any patrons in public restrooms. Legally a woman? You get to legally use the women's restroom. In the eyes of the law, there theoretically is no difference between a trans person and a cis person (though in practice, the law is not evenly applied to trans people). The law allows trans men to marry cis women, and trans women to marry cis men, whatever their birth assigned gender was (though that may soon end in Texas).

If a person behaves oddly and is treated oddly on account of it, well that's life. It's not too much to ask that people don't treat that person like shit, though, for doing something that harms no one. And certainly harmless odd behavior is no reason to deny someone their legal rights (let alone brutally assault someone for exercising those rights).
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@179

He was as a man violating the right to personal privacy of any woman using that restroom. A woman walking into the mens room violates the rights to privacy of the males in the room. And you can call him 'she' all you like. The physical and actual reality is that 'she' is a he. Birth assigned gender has a more simple expression- you're a dude or a gal based on the standard issue plumbing. Period.

If the law calls him she, the law is wrong. Calling my dog a goat don't make her a goat, anymore than calling my wristwatch a speedboat makes it one.

I'm unfamiliar with the expression 'cis,' so can't comment on your statements about it or her or him or whatever.

Nor have I ever, not once, advocated for or excused violence against others on any pretext, whether gender or political or otherwise. But if you walk into a men's room in a little black dress and stand at the urinal, expect some reaction. If you walk into the ladies room and pull out your little friend, expect some irritation. You have the legal right to be eccentric, but not the right for others to approve of your oddness.
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@181

".....why not treat them that way?"

Socially? No reason at all.

But when we legally call a man a female, we set up the conditions for incidents like the one Mr. Savage details here. As with most things, I defer to societal mores unless they conflict with basic justice, particularly as expressed in our constitution. And as with most things, where a person chooses their status I decline to accept that that choice imposes obligations on others.

Again, no one, no matter how odd, is exempt from the protection of the laws regarding their physical safety just because their behavior is odd or socially unacceptable. The young girls who attacked this woman should face whatever the law prescribes for their behavior. The victim isn't the point here, the reprehensible behavior of these girls is.

I'm as unfamiliar with the term 'lady boy' as I am with' cis.' But I'm guessing I'm happier that way, so that's all right. Though I'll meet you halfway and agree that Asian ladies are often very attractive.
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@180, Cis means that your gender identity agrees with your genitals. Someone who has transitioned to male can marry a cis woman, and someone who has transitioned to female can marry a cis man. As far as what physical reality dictates, again, it's not as simple as what xx/xy would seem to suggest, as people come with all sorts of different sets of x and y chromosomes that don't make gender so clear, and even when it is xx or xy, it isn't always so simple as male/female. The definitions of male and female you seem to be working off of do not reflect scientific reality. How exactly letting someone identify as a gender other than the one assigned at birth violates anyone's privacy when they go into the restroom of their identified gender is not clear to me. What threat is there in a man with a vagina and a woman with a penis? There's more to gender than genitals, after all.

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