Blogs Sep 26, 2011 at 1:04 pm

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The College Republicans did the same thing when I was an undergrad at UW. Just another publicity stunt designed to ruffle feathers on a very liberal campus. Nothing to see here.
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Oh, god, just ignore these twats and stop giving them ink for this lame, lame stunt they've pulled many times over.
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Man, life sure is sweet for Native American women.
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Oh, see, I thought it was actually kind of cute way to draw attention to wage disparities. But I guess that's not what they're doing.
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they're trying to get punched so they can believe they're victims of liberal intolerance.
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Yeah, does that mean Native American women get free cupcakes? I'd head over to their table and just walk away with the trays if I qualified. Awesome.
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so people that statistically don't have as much get charged less? OH THE HORROR
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OLD College Republican trick. They did it at Whitworth one time in 91 or 92. I jacked half of their cookies (they didn't do cupcakes) while they weren't looking. Seeing as I'm a white male I figured I was entitled to the cookies for free.
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The counterprotest seems obvious .. a bunch of verifiable Native Americans should totally go there and buy out the stock for a quarter apiece. Cupcakes, yum.
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@10 - You expect the GOP to endorse new ideas?

Anyway, I'm sure as long as they didn't know you were gay, there's no way they'd be mad at you for taking what you wanted, like a good objectivist.
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Aren't Asians the majority at UC Berkeley?
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@12, well....I did take them to one of the shelters downtown...

But that probably would have really pissed them off if I told them
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This shit again? Multiple student groups pulled the same damn thing when I was at UT and it wasn't clever then either.
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Charles,
Yep, a silly prank to be sure that's not original.

However, as @16 indicated Affirmative Action hasn't been around at the U of C for awhile now. At least, that's my understanding. I recall U of C Board of Regents member (President?), Ward Connerly being very much against Affirmative Action in the 90s. What's your take Charles? Do you favor Affirmative Action at American institutions of higher education or even in general for that matter say, the workplace?
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Wow, this is only the eleven-hundreth time some race-baiting morons from Schmuckatelly University or wherever put on this never-been-clever clown show.
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I honestly had no idea it was so common.
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Maybe we can just throw all the white people out of America. Then it can resemble that utopia called "Zimbabwe".
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@20

You're right on, bro!

Of course, what this all draws attention to is that never, in the entire history of the United States, has there *ever* been a policy that provided a disproportionate benefit to white men over people who were non-white and/or female.

Government sanction of slavery? Clearly the people of color were the beneficiaries.

Government land grants that gave free land to people willing to work it/ranch it/farm it? As I recall, the Native Americans got dibs on all that free land.

Sufferage? For years only blacks and women got to vote, until the white guys finally got a shot at that in 1920.

Reduction in tax rates on dividend income and capital gains income? Hispanic women reap the benefit of that one.

The income tax deduction on home mortgages? I don't think there's a white man in history who ever caught a break on that one.

I tell you, there oughta be a law.

White guys unite!

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@21

1865, slavery ends with the 13th Amendment.

Land grants? Are you serious? What in the world do you call Reservations? Apart from an idiotically stupid idea, that is. When you lose wars, you lose. You don't get a consolation prize for coming in second in military conflicts. We'd have done far better to force native populations to assimilate, like every other nation in history.

1920, women belatedly get the right to vote with the 19th Amendment. Later than anyone else, but still nearly a century ago.

1870, black people get the right to vote with the 15th Amendment. Some structural blocks persist, like poll taxes and literacy tests, but these are ruled out in the 1960's. In reality most never stopped someone who wanted to vote from voting, they just made it more difficult, so the real date is 1870.

As for taxation, that's a dead horse you're beating there, cowboy. Make money and you'll pay taxes. Don't and you won't. This is true for blacks, whites, women, whatever. Taxation overwhelming favors the poor, of whatever minority status or not. Bad idea for you to bring this up, really.

Point is, a century has passed for all those issues, more for most of them. When is my bill for the sins of my great great grandfathers marked paid? 2 centuries? More? Just give me an idea, so that I know what to expect.

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@22: So, not only do you think it justified for the United States to wage wars of aggression against Amerindian nations and take their land, the US was being generous by establishing reservations for the displaced peoples. Maybe you don't know this, but the USA drew up territory treaties with many Native American tribes, and then proceeded to break them as soon as it was convenient.
I suppose we should have let Hitler's Germany annex whatever countries they defeated, right? Does might really make right?

What you gloss over is that while the unjust and discriminatory policies themselves have been abolished (mostly), their effects linger on. Racial minorities are still disproportionately poor and incarcerated, women still earn less than men, and minority voting rights are still under attack at the local level.
If I take out a loan, the bank will still want me to pay it back even if fifty years pass in the mean time. Minorities and women are still disenfranchised in this country in many ways. So, the bill will be marked paid when it is paid in full.
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"Let's hold a racial reality bake sale:

Native American people are holding cupcakes in a room.

White people enter the room, and each get to take a cupcake from a Native person. Then, they kill the Native Americans, and corral the remaining empty-handed Native Americans into a corner.

Then, they go into another room and force black people into the white (formerly Native) room. They make the black people bake more cupcakes, but they can’t eat any of them. They are also not paid wages for baking the cupcakes. Further, they are not allowed to buy any cupcakes for themselves.

After some time, the black people are allowed to receive payment for the cupcakes they bake, but only a little, and first they have to request a loan to acquire the necessary ingredients and to use the ovens owned by the white people. Thus, in reality, black people are now paying to bake the cupcakes, which they still cannot eat.

Meanwhile, some Asian people ask to enter the room, but the white people don’t want to let them in, so they only allow a small number. If any of them succeed in purchasing cupcakes, the white people resent them.

As time passes, the black people gradually acquire increased freedom in their cupcake-making decisions. Some of them make enough money to buy a cupcake, but many do not. Within a very short time, the white people start asking the black people why they don’t have more cupcakes of their own. They don’t understand why black people don’t have as many cupcakes as them. After all, everyone now has the equal opportunity to purchase cupcakes.

Then, some Latino/as come into the room, and the white people agree to let them sweep up the cupcake crumbs for low wages.

Some white people think maybe the price of cupcakes should be lowered for the black, asian, latino, and native american groups, but the other whites complain that this isn’t fair, and that cupcakes should cost everyone $1. They worry that someone will steal their cupcakes. And if any non-white people manage to purchase cupcakes, they feel deeply that this must represent an injustice."

-http://tsg2011.tumblr.com/post/106952185…
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@22 I know - It sucks that Japanese people still get to live in Japan. That was a ridiculous concession.
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@23 & 24
So I suppose you are going to give all your property back to the poor oppressed natives. Everything you have earned upon this stolen land.

The domination of others by whoever is better equipped is the unfortunately natural order of things. See: lion vs gazelle

Like if aliens showed up I would expect nothing for them to wipe us out and take whatever resources they needed.

As Vonnegut said, "So it goes."
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@22 and 25

The United States, or Spain, or Brittain or France were going to take over the North American continent, whoever happened to live there. This is historical fact, whatever you might want to believe.

Either from the perspective of the unintended consequences of infectious disease killing perhaps 90% or more of the indigenous populations or from sheer greed, it would have happened.

Why we turned this inevitable into an apology is beyond me, given the political realities of the time.

And fyi- We defended ourselves with regard to the Axis powers in WW2. It wasn't a war of aggression, at least on our parts.

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@22 and 25

The United States, or Spain, or Brittain or France were going to take over the North American continent, whoever happened to live there. This is historical fact, whatever you might want to believe.

Either from the perspective of the unintended consequences of infectious disease killing perhaps 90% or more of the indigenous populations or from sheer greed, it would have happened.

Why we turned this inevitable into an apology is beyond me, given the political realities of the time.

And fyi- We defended ourselves with regard to the Axis powers in WW2. It wasn't a war of aggression, at least on our parts.

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Apologize for the double post. I don't know why you're all being twice blessed.
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@27: Manifest destiny, eh? It was inevitable that the nations of Western Europe would claim the New World for their own? That doesn't make what they did RIGHT. You could say that Southern secession was inevitable, or that the rise of the Nazis was, given the sociopolitical climates of the times. That doesn't justify what either of them did.
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@ 27,

Why we turned this inevitable into an apology is beyond me...


Because that's the Christian thing to do. Why is that so hard for so many self-professed Christians to understand?
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@22 you wrote: When is my bill for the sins of my great great grandfathers marked paid? 2 centuries? More? Just give me an idea, so that I know what to expect.

In many ways, I don't know that you have a debt to pay. To pick a couple of examples, some of my ancestors probably owned slaves, and some of my ancestors probably liked and/or supported Jim Crow laws, but since I wasn't around at that time, I don't have any personal guilt about that.

At the same time, many current laws still on the books (e.g. the home mortgage tax deduction, the business entertainment deduction and the reduced tax rates for capital gains and dividend income) clearly still give a disproportionate benefit to the white middle and upper classes. So it comes off as whiny when someone (like the person who posted #20) complains about how everyone is pushing the white guys around. And to the extent that affirmative action programs for college admission (to take one random example) provide an "unfair advantage" to minority applicants, that advantage often dissappears when and if the applicant cannot afford to go the college once he or she has been accepted.

So I hereby absolve you from the crimes of your white forebears. But just because some past injustices have been corrected, it doesn't follow that the playing field doesn't still provide a disproportionate number of breaks to white guys, of which I am one.
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Christ, I hope none of these kids were business or econ majors. No special prices for mulattoes, quadroons, octaroons, etc. And arayans and slavs are grouped as 'white?!' I tell you, racial hierarchies used to mean something. Think of all the lost revenue!
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How come when people fan their frustration for unfair treatment, they are judged to be racist if they are not colored. What they show is an analogy, a metaphor to show how different race is being treated in campus enrollment. Yes, admissions quota is racist! Not that I want to get special treatment just because I'm minority. But, any Asian students who are advanced academically knows that many ivy league schools nowadays have maximum quota for # of Asians. They claimed too many successful Asians, gotta stop too many of them coming in. So what they are actually minority! THAT CLEARLY is a racist policy. These students simply show everyone about that with a humorous fashion. If you get offended just because of that, you know why.

to clayon, "...clearly still give a disproportionate benefit to the white middle and upper classes...." if they are the one who is making the $, so they are the one making tax payment. A lot of them are middle class small business owner, including white and black. So, it has nothing to do discrimination against colored people. Twisted logic to fit your own agenda.. .just like most politicians do, including the right and the left.. just the radical ones make me sick . Most radicals are from the liberals, or democrats do nowadays.
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How come when people fan their frustration for unfair treatment, they are judged to be racist if they are not colored. What they show is an analogy, a metaphor to show how different race is being treated in campus admission. Yes, admissions quota is racist! Not that I want to get special treatment just because I'm minority, an Asian. But, any Asian student who is advanced academically knows that many ivy league schools nowadays have maximum quota for # of Asians. That's is like saying too many successful Asians, gotta stop that... too many of them coming in. So what they are actually minority! THAT CLEARLY is a racist policy. These students simply show everyone about that with a humorous fashion. If you get offended just because of that, it is only because there's a level of truth to it.

to clayon, "...clearly still give a disproportionate benefit to the white middle and upper classes...." WHAT!? If they are the one who is making the $, so they are the one making tax payment. A lot of them are middle class small business owner, including white and black. Tax deduction is necessary to encourage people to keep making the $. What's wrong with that!? A lot of these people who would get up 4am in the morning and worked their butt off til 12 at night. Tax deduction is to encourage people to make their dreams come true when they work hard. So, it has nothing to do discrimination against colored people. Twisted logic to fit your own agenda.. .just like most politicians do, including the right and the left.. just the radical ones make me sick . Most radicals are from the liberals, or democrats do nowadays.

Another real-life example to exemplify the liberals and democrats's twisted logic and self-entitlement attitude. I worked almost 70+ hours a week to climb the corporate ladder as a senior software engineer. I met 2 people who dared to tell me this... "you should not work so hard. There should be a union established to stop that to level out the field for others who do not need to work so hard but still can get ahead. " I went HUH!. What the heck the logic of that. These attitude will condemn a wealth nation to hell. These people do not like prosperity unless it happens to land in their own pocket!!!!

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