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1
In both of her previous campaigns, she was caught exaggerating her credentials.
2
Has she moved? How is this any less than district shopping? Why is she so adamantly against serving in the state legislature to gain some legitimate elected experience? Why isn't she running for governor?
3
Yeah, but Goldstein has this schoolboy crush on her. He thinks that if he pretends she's a serious candidate she'll go out with him or something.

Kind of cute in a way, really.
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@1 - She really, really wasn't. She was *accused* of exaggerating her credentials, and the media ran with that throughline.

Her choice of wording could have been more precise, but it was hardly intentional deceit.
5
@ SB, I noticed that you can't be bothered to answer questions about your landlord practices. Is it because you talked yourself into a corner there?
6
dear lord, how many times does this woman have to lose a race?! i supported her in 2006 and 2008, but really now?
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@2: You can pose that same question to all of the candidates. The district is moving. Burner was always near the northern end of the eighth, and will most likely be redistricted into the 1st.
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Shouldn't she get a real job, instead of repeatedly demonstrating her ability to win primaries and lose general elections? I mean, it's impressive that she can connect to a nationwide community of progressives, but it's more important that she can't connect to a majority of voters in her Washington district. She's got the profile to ensure the nomination, and the track record to ensure the loss in November. Her running is not good news.
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@ 7, you're supposed to be in an editorial meeting...
10
It seems as if Dave Reichert has a stronghold on the 8th people really admire the work he did as sheriff. But with no incumbent in the 1st and an open race why can't Darcy win?
11
I am a liberal Democrat, but now I would never contribute again nor vote for Darcy after hearing from several friends about her leadership style (autocratic, abusive, and ineffective) during her previous campaigns and in her subsequent career. Ask around -- it's not hard to confirm. The Democrats in the 1st District would be better off with another nominee.
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@10 Let's just call it Darcy Burner fatigue.
13
My understanding is that you do not need to live in a particular congressional district to run there. You just need to live in the state.
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@12 I wonder by how many points she's going to lose this time? She's become the modern Adli Stevenson or the Dino Rossi of the Dems.
15
Uh - last time i checked, there were a few progressive candidates in the race who a) live in the district b) don't have a track record of losing c) have experience holding elected office.
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@3, HEY YOU!! I talked to my landlord last night about those property taxes that us renters "don't pay". Guess what? He told me that honestly to pay his all of his property taxes on the house for the year he saves up three of my rent checks and pays it out of that.

Yep Seattleblues.....I'm paying my landlords property taxes...ALL of his property taxes. The bill just comes in his name.

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@5

My landlord practices having to do with the proverbial price of tea in China how exactly?

Sorry, I don't own a Trump style real estate portfolio, as you so clearly do. You should give seminars on good investment practices in rental real estate, really. Me, I just do what I can with what I have.

@7

So Goldstein, has your simpering little piece about Burner gotten her people to call your people to set up a nice candlelit dinner somewhere yet?

No? Chin up, old buddy, just a matter of time.
18
Welcome back to Washington State! Darcy already has a residence in DC, so it will be a smooth transition for her to fold into the existing political machine. Which is exactly what we DO NOT need. We need to shake things up, not elect a DC insider.
19
I pretty much agree with everybody who said, "Why try again?" It totally reminds me of creepy Dino. Why can't she build something or run for attorney general?
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@16

Your landlord is confused, as are you.

You pay for the conditional right to inhabit the house or apartment he or she owns with rent. That's all. Period.

What he or she does with the rental money really isn't your business, whether that's pay property tax or vacation in Hawaii. Or do you think you board the plane with your landlord on their vacations as well, if that money happens to come from rental income?
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@18 Yeah, Darcy's been working hard to sublimate/diffuse progressive discontent.
22
I really dislike this woman on general principal. She has run multiple campaigns and doesn't seem to have a regular career and claims to be a good rep of the people?

She is basically a career politician that cant get elected. visions of trust fund kids and limo liberals dance in my head.
23

Crazy Lady Dumpster Dives for Districts
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@5,

The motherfucker claims to not be able to make a profit on rental real estate in Seattle. He's lying. Ignore the idiot troll, please.
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@ 17, just commenting on your disingenuous nature, which is on full display in your comment here, as well as on the other thread. You know that your faith commands you not to bear false witness, don't you?

Go back to that thread and face the questions asked, or do the honorable thing and quit posting here. If you're not up to answering challenges, you're not up to SLOG.
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@20, Do you even realize how much of a right wing troll you are? And you're claiming I'm confused? Did you read your last post before posting it? It sounds like an 8th grader having a fit because he/sh/it couldn't get their way.
27
as a conservatives we are thrilled to see this cunt in the race.
work your ass off goldy to get her in the general election.
thankx.
28
And to the point at hand, Burner has never struck me as someone who can get shit done in Congress, which is something I was willing to tolerate to get Sheriff Hairspray out of office.

But do we really need *another* do-nothing liberal Congressperson representing this region? Since McDermott can't be arsed, Inslee is the only one who's been bringing home the bacon.
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@24-26

None of which has to anything whatever to do with Ms. Burner, but...

Whether I make a profit or not isn't anyones business but mine, on my business or in rentals. How I spend that profit, if I make one, isn't anyones business but mine.

This whole idiotic argument that tenants pay property tax via rental payments is similar to the silly notion liberals like to float that a business owner can only survive with his or her employees. That's patent nonsense. I value my employees and would hate to lose any of them. But at the end of the day it's my ideas and my customer base and my initiative that make my business possible. The employees are a tool, a very important one, in building and maintaining my business, but they are expendable however much I may value whatever unique skills they bring. Without someone creating the demand for their skillsets, without the business owner, they would be unemployed. Without the employee the business would go on, usually, if on a smaller scale.

And don't bother with the tired accusations of lying. You can't sustain them, and I can't see you fooling even yourself with them.
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@28

Baghdad Jim? Nah. He's too busy grandstanding to his deluded constituency to actually do anything.

For most of you there simply is not a viable American candidate far enough left for you. For most of you nothing short of outright state ownership of everything with a begrudging living allowance for citizen-taxpayers will meet your desires. Americans are too smart for that con though, so you're stuck whining about how little your leftist mouthpieces accomplish if they somehow con themselves into office.
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SB, you accidentally used the word "tired" when you meant "true."

Fact: Landlords pay property tax from rents collected (at least if they're doing it right).

Fact: You said that you don't do that.

Fact: That's a lie.

For someone who likes to imply that others bring up irrelevant nonsense, your comment @ 29 is full of it. Nobody said a word about your profit (which is left over after you pay tax with money collect from your tenants) or your employees (without whom you'd have no business - see, you just told another lie).

Hmmm. Maybe this inability to focus explains why maybe your properties aren't yet profitable?
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Um, SB? Without the money your employees make, there would be no customers for your business.

Supply-side economics is a complete and utter failure. If you bankrupt the working class, you bankrupt consumers. Business doesn't expand in a demand vacuum. Period.
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@32

Whatever. Your misconceptions about how business works are too comprehensive to bother arguing.

Speaking of focus, anything to say about Ms. Burnout? I mean, from Denver where you don't vote for her or likely know much about her? But then, ignorance hasn't stopped you talking about the rental market or business theory, so please weigh in!
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@ 34, translation: I surrender, but I'll keep lying to save face. I pay for my rental property taxes out of my own pocket, even when the rents cover it! Whee!

On this thread, you're my focus. Even when I lived in Seattle, District 1 and 9 issues weren't my business.
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Must every thread lately devolve into beloved commenters lining up to force-feed their rhetorical dicks to Seattleblues? It seeems like some of you really get off on ramming your meaty logic down his throat.

And it's clear he sure does. When you don't feed SB he does go away, you know. Every time. He disappears to go interfere with his supposed children or whatever. It's starting to look like many of you want him to keep showing up in every thread for you to toy with. I'm not judging, I'm just saying.
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@ 36, he also disappears when he keeps getting called on his bullshit, especially when even his phony logic can't support his claims. Now, THAT is satisfying for me.
38
She's talking the talk, but so have a lot of other disappointments before they got into office and forgot everything they said while campaigning.

I'm pretty burnt out on Democrats right now, honestly.

(And yeah, seriously, stop feeding the troll, y'all. If "the money you pay for rent being used to pay the property taxes on the place you live doesn't mean you're paying property taxes on the place you live" is actually a thing that a person says, that person is either trolling or schizophrenic and engaging is only going to make it worse.)
39
Where is this poll Goldy? Can we see it? Or are we only getting what the Burnout campaign wants us to see.
40
Seattle Blues works hard for his money by posting for hours on SLOG.
41
Typical discussion with Matt from Denver-

Sane person- The sky is blue today.

Matt- No, it isn't. And you're a liar.

Sane person- Okay, I see where you're going. Really the appearance is of blue though what you're really seeing is light refracted through the atmosphere and so on. But most of us agree that we see the color blue and just call it blue.

Matt- You're bearing false witness and you're not a good christian. And you lied 5 months ago on something where I claimed you lied and you never responded.

Sane person- Okay, whatever. It's too much work when basic assumptions everyone else just agrees to are too much for you.

Matt- I win!

Actually, come to think of it, you could insert a lot of regular posters names in for Matt. Hm.
42
I don't understand the criticism of Burner here. Many successful elected officials didn't get into office on the first try. The climate was significantly different when Burner ran and failed in the 8th district that never elected a Democrat.
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@ 41, LOL. Yeah, buddy, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better.

If you're being honest, though, I suppose you could explain how my statement that you need employees to have your business is a "misconception." I mean, unless your business is making crafts to sell on etsy.
44
I like Darcy Burner well enough. Her political ideology lines up with mine for the most part.

But come on. She lost, twice, to one of the dimmest bulbs in the house. In a swing district. She couldn't even win on Obama's coattails. Reichert should have been an easy pick-off in 2008.

I don't know what she's doing wrong, but she just isn't connecting with voters.
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@36

Ah. I see the confusion.

I'm blessed with a job in which a few hours a day or a few days in a row are hectic, and the rest routine paperwork or sales or whatever. And you folks are like playing one of those pre-loaded games Windows comes with for some reason- mindless distractions that occasionally free my mind up to solve real problems at home or work. Takes a tiny amount of mental energy a moments typing to refute nearly anything said on this blog, really.

See, when I disappear to care for my kids or walk my dogs or conduct my business or spend time with my wife or friends, that's called living. Or didn't you know that real life exists outside the internet, not within it?
46
The 8th district could have elected another blue dog (even one claiming to be something else) but what good would it do for us?
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@ 45, waiting for you to answer @ 43. (For the record, I'm home with my daughter today. She's playing and keeping herself occupied.)
48
On topic,

I actually hope Burnout gets the nomination for the dems. The good people of that district need a good Republican in that seat.
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@47

Nope. Sorry. Tired of playing written ping pong with you today. It's kind of devolved into a silly repetition of the same points over and over again on both sides anyway, points on which you won't agree with me or I with you.

Have a nice day. Hope you have fun with your daughter.
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Sorry, Goldy, but she's not a good candidate. Policy wonk, yes. Her mis-steps (and they were ALL her own; don't try to blame The Seattle Times) cost her the election both times. Someone else would be better for the 1st and the state.
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@ 49, no, the point about whether it's possible to have a business like yours without employees is new. Nothing's been repeated there at all, and it's a matter of fact - either it is, or it isn't. It's not something subject to change based on personal philosophy.
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My band played this fundraiser for Burner in 2006…

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/live-…

Tractor Tavern—Darcy Burner Benefit: the Starlings , Dudley Manlove, Colin Spring, K-Pop & the Coalition of the Willing, Radio Nationals (7 pm), $15 donation …

It was a success. Promoted by AM 1090 and nearly if not sold out. However, Burner was a NO SHOW.

When the front man for the Headliner (the Starlings -i think) got on stage. He began a mad rant about how RUDE/ UNGRATEFUL she was to not show up or even send a surrogate to thank us and speak. The crowd turned on her and started shouted "fuck that bitch" etc…
She lost a lot of voters that night.
53
I'm worried a bit about her electability but really, you can't compare the 8th District with any likely version of the 1st. The 8th contains huge swaths of conservative rural King and Pierce counties. Burner is a bad match for those people. But she's a good match for the 1st as it is likely to be constituted, with basically no rural voters at all, and lots of left-leaning suburbanites with ties to the tech industry.

She's not carpetbagging, either. The 1st will be her district barring some kind of coup by the Republican members of the commission that enables them to completely write the CD map.

It really comes down to whether you think experience is worth more than saying the right things. I like what Darcy Burner has to say and I like her personally but Marko Liias, Roger Goodman, and Laura Ruderman have actually won elections. Too bad we can't have all four of them in Congress.
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First of all, it was Reichert who exaggerated his credentials by claiming that he could do the job.

But Darcy is Teh Awesome. I supported both her runs (I'm in the 8th and might end up in the 1st), and would love to do so again. Just as she did as a campaigner, she'll make Reichert look like a clueless fool when they'te both in Congress.
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To all those of you who are so pissed at Darcy for running twice and losing to a Republican incumbent in a district that has never elected a Democrat, let me pose a question: What Democratic primary opponent did Darcy beat out for the opportunity to go head to head with Reichert?

None, that's who. Nobody else had the balls to take on Reichert, or the stamina to make it all the way to the primary. If not for Darcy, Reichert would have run virtually unopposed, and the NRCC wouldn't have had to pump millions into these races to prop him up... millions they could've spent defending vulnerable Republicans elsewhere.

Yes, she lost twice. But she ran strong, well-funded campaigns that were a critical part of the 50-state strategy that helped Democrats retake the House in 2006, and expand their margin in 2008. She forced Republicans to spend big in a district that under Jennifer Dunn had been a net donor to other districts.

Personally, I'm more critical of all those supposedly better candidates who never even tried, than of Darcy for trying and losing.
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Sadly, Goldy's right, the 8th is fucked, and the rest of you should just move back to Russia.
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@55 Goldy, you can also look at Darcy's lack of a primary challenge as a negative. She never had to define herself as a Dem as much as simply contrast herself against Reichert. It really smacked of, "Look at me! I'm running for Congress!". When she kept pushing her plan for ending the Iraq War, she just amplified her amateur status.
Since you seem to know her, Goldy, maybe you can answer the big question: Why does Darcy Burner just gotta gotta gotta be in Congress? Why can't she make a difference on a city or county council, or in the state legislature? Without some bona fides in actual governing, her campaigns feel like so much vanity.
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What makes her the automatic front runner? Name recognition? Money? Ego?
Burner does not have the experience that would indicate she deserves such a glowing title.

Goldy, what is your fanboy treatment of Burner due to? Lefty blogger solidarity? The rest of this contingent has plenty of applicable professional chops. I'm concerned that the Snohomish Co. candidates like Hobbes or even Liias or the dude from Bothell. You would do well to keep from blindly endorsing someone for such an important role while ignoring their lacking qualifications.
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SeattleBlues: nice to see you here daily indulging your old compulsions.
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Goldy:
Personally, I'm more critical of all those supposedly better candidates who never even tried, than of Darcy for trying and losing.
That's crap. When someone with some 8th District chops like Chris Hurst suggested maybe she should step aside in 2007 in favor of Rodney Tom, you raked him over the coals and assured us that Burner's "tactical" mistakes in 2006 wouldn't be repeated. Well, they were. So why should anyone not expect her to be as tone deaf again?
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@60: Hurst never had the balls to challenge Darcy, and Tom dropped out after what... a month? If your primary strategy is your opponent stepping aside to make room for you, that doesn't say much about your qualifications as a candidate.

As for me raking politicians over the coals, please... I was just some blogger. Again, if they can't take criticism from a blogger, they have no place running or office.

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