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Thanks for noticing about the movie. You're the only person to point this out. If people aren't aware of what's called "Predictive Programming," they should be.
Why? It's just a subhuman lump of cells, after all
What does your story have to do with what the article is reporting on?
I know her personally. She was indeed pregnant, and now is not.
In addition, she went to the hospital the night she was pepper sprayed and so if there is any documentation about whether she was kicked, sprayed, etc. it is in her medical records. Those will come out eventually, whether in the media or in court (if it goes that route).
My story was a response to #74: "19 year old homeless girl? Yeah, I'll take my grain of salt now thank you very much."
Because using baseless demographic stereotypes to call someone's credibility into question detracts from the discussion. It's also nasty, ignorant, and uncalled for.
Thanks for asking.
And all those who say "She shouldn't have been there", that's an ignorant statement. If it were your wife and child, your sister, your daughter, you'd be sick with rage. A policeman should NEVER of hit and abused a woman.
Because you protest it's okay if someone kills your child.
The police should not have been using such extraneous force. A protest is protected under Constitutional rights and regardless if the city holds illogically opposite views, they shouldn't be allowed to order their forces around from their offices and the police shouldn't powertrip and get so damn overbearing, dominating and sadistic in their means. One would hope the individual policemen valued freedoms over a job and could empathize, but I guess that's just tribute to how wrong things have developed. The blame is in no way on this poor woman but the police and city who demanded they do such a hideous thing.
The city and force should pay dearly for this, and even if they do, they will never make up for the loss nor the guilt that they've created. They took a life. I pity the men who have to live with knowing that. My dearest condolences to this poor young woman and my hopes that the people who are blaming her and sympathizing with an entire /city council/ over a /lawsuit/ like that's equivalent to the loss of a child-- my hopes that they get a clue.
Wow--talk about blaming the victim! I really don't think that is the point. Nobody goes to a peaceful protest thinking they are going to be injured by the police. Only in this day and age of Fascist, military police! They didn't need to keep coming at her when she kept telling them she was pregnant. I will guarantee these policemen are, also, "pro-life!"
Because you protest it's okay if someone kills your child.
The police should not have been using such extraneous force. A protest is protected under Constitutional rights and regardless if the city holds illogically opposite views, they shouldn't be allowed to order their forces around from their offices and the police shouldn't powertrip and get so damn overbearing, dominating and sadistic in their means. One would hope the individual policemen valued freedoms over a job and could empathize, but I guess that's just tribute to how wrong things have developed. The blame is in no way on this poor woman but the police and city who demanded they do such a hideous thing.
The city and force should pay dearly for this, and even if they do, they will never make up for the loss nor the guilt that they've created. They took a life. I pity the men who have to live with knowing that. My dearest condolences to this poor young woman and my hopes that the people who are blaming her and sympathizing with an entire /city council/ over a /lawsuit/ like that's equivalent to the loss of a child-- my hopes that they get a clue.
Pepper spray is not to be used on pregnant women.
Pregnant women should not be pepper sprayed.... period
don't be assumptive and ignorant about something you don't know.
Regardless.
What matters is she was attacked during a peaceful protest by police officers. What matters is she was assaulted. What matters is she was pregnant before the assault, and now is not. What matters is that her doctor has confirmed this, and has told her the miscarriage is likely due to the abuse she suffered at the hands of the SPD.
There is nothing else to take from this story other than that the police used excessive force in violation of our right to peacefully assemble and speak freely. The SPD are very likely responsible for the loss of this child, which amounts in the eyes of many to murder. Some won't see it as a death unless the child was born, but to this mother, that three month old fetus had a name. And we will respect that loss.
This child is the first casualty we know of as a result of the police brutality against OWS. It's a little different when people are dying way over there in Egypt as police use violence to attempt quell their protests, but when it happens over here under the dear old red white and blue, well, that's a little close to home. Nobody wants to believe it's possible an authority we are supposed to trust is responsible-- or even capable-- of something as heinous as pepper spraying a pregnant, peaceful protester. But it happened. Look at it. And if you can look Ms. Fox in the face and tell her she deserved it then you are a product of the corruption we will change here in America.
Actually 3 of 13.
http://www.seattlepi.com/mediaManager/?c…
This was a fetus in its first trimester. If the cops are murderers, then so is every woman who has chosen to have an abortion.
I'll add that as someone who has two children and has also experienced one first trimester miscarriage, there is simply no comparison between a miscarriage and the utter devastation that would come with the loss of a child.
It scares the hell out of me that anybody could actually see this as somehow the victim's fault, as if people who were violating the law did and should lose all their basic human rights and dignities -- even if they're committing the crime in DEFENSE of those rights and dignities. That's Orwellian, un-American, and damn creepy to see coming out of the mouths of other people.
just because someone walks down a dangerous part of the neighborhood doesn't mean they deserve to be raped or robbed - people do it everyday - there were a lot of people at wall st. who were not part of the march who got hurt - this is completely the cops fault because they shouldn't have been using force on peaceful protesters.
Interesting that Slog selectively left this out of OS coverage.
No sense in letting public safety and real news get in the way of a political purity campaign:
http://today.seattletimes.com/2011/11/po…
Yup. Apparently the same family that's taking care of her
Who would argue it wasent her own fault cuz she was protesting getting my dinner. I'm stocking up on pepper spray cuz I can't get in trubble for assault. Woo hoo what a riot! Zip ties and all. Burn your eyes out. Think I'll combine water boarding with pepper spray. It's ok if your sister stops breathing cuz I know CPR. Were cool right? All leagle?
I got to know Jennifer while camping at Occupy Seattle. She is always positive and cheerful and she makes everyone she comes in contact with feel good just with her radiant presence. Tirelessly energetic and outgoing she was the driving force that got Occupy Seattle's kitchen organized, up and running. I remember she sat up and waved to us as they were about to load her gurney into the ambulance last Thursday night, after being pepper sprayed.
From a friend that I will call Devin: "pretty savage. and people who think she was taking a risk by going to protest should ponder the fact that protesting is now apparently an acknowledged risk to your health."
c'mon! where are your brains, people? you are zombies looking for public brains to eat. focus on the problem...it's not the people. my god. i am so ashamed of people who are like, "oh man. wtf was she thinking?" It is goddamn america! AMERICA! remember us? the freedom people? the people with actual rights? supposedly.
don't call yourself an american if you can't stand up for your partners, people and fellow citizens.
ugh.
(e.g., going limp, offering no active physical resistance). It further cautions that if possible,
pepper spray should not be used against persons who appear to be in frail health, young children, women believed to be pregnant, or persons with known respiratory conditions." I wonder if the manual for SPD read the same.
Also, for all you trolls claiming there's no way to know if pepper spray caused the miscarriage, bear in mind that experiments on pregnant women likely have not been done. The fact that the effects are unknown make it unsafe to use. However, one common brand (page 4 of the document in #124's link) of pepper spray: features a 10% solution of oleoresin capsicum, carried in a solution principally composed of water, antifreeze, and denatured alcohol." Wait a minute. Antifreeze. That stuff is toxic. Now imagine it's been aerosolized and shot into the lungs of a pregnant woman. The levels of antifreeze are probably not toxic to healthy adults, but it doesn't take much imagination to realize what it will probably do to a fetus.
(e.g., going limp, offering no active physical resistance). It further cautions that if possible,
pepper spray should not be used against persons who appear to be in frail health, young children, women believed to be pregnant, or persons with known respiratory conditions." I wonder if the manual for SPD read the same.
Also, for all you trolls claiming there's no way to know if pepper spray caused the miscarriage, bear in mind that experiments on pregnant women likely have not been done. The fact that the effects are unknown make it unsafe to use. However, one common brand (page 4 of the document in #124's link) of pepper spray: features a 10% solution of oleoresin capsicum, carried in a solution principally composed of water, antifreeze, and denatured alcohol." Wait a minute. Antifreeze. That stuff is toxic. Now imagine it's been aerosolized and shot into the lungs of a pregnant woman. The levels of antifreeze are probably not toxic to healthy adults, but it doesn't take much imagination to realize what it will probably do to a fetus.
First off everybody saying she was participating in a peaceful protest, have you ever heard of a protest that planned to be violent no because that's not a protest anymore, secondly protests have been proven to be dangerous there is always some dumbass whether they are police or a protester that screws everything up for the people who are there to protest peacefully. Now to address the statement where Ms. Fox claims that she yelled "I'm pregnant I'm pregnant I'm trying to get out" I don't know if that is a correct quotation,but nonetheless i highly doubt any police officer thought i should kick this woman in the stomach and then pepper spray her because she is pregnant. Now before you get angry I'm no doctor so I'm not gonna argue the miscarriage may have been caused by the supposed beating and mace if you will. Let the people who obviously have M.D.s discuss this, yes I'm talking to you on both sides of the argument. To claim that people are blaming the victims is just sad honestly, nobody who commented here that isn't an obvious troll (ex. somebody who likes to see people get mad, not complete definition but works for this discussion) claims that the woman is at fault she didn't know she was going to be beaten, they are just questioning whether it was the best decision to go to place notorious for becoming violent as a pregnant women. YES she has the right to go, YES she can want a better world for her child, YES she can... fill in the blank with whatever you may say its still dangerous at protests and everybody knows this its not secret. Now I'm trying to address too many points so i will leave with this, this is an atrocity in many ways and no I'm not going to say my heart goes out to her because lets face it, it doesn't i don't know the joy of know a child is on the way nor do i know the joy of having a child honestly I'm just going to stick with what we pick up from the facts and will follow this story closely. I will say this is obviously a major loss for Ms. Fox I do hope she can recover from this tragedy. I may have made mistakes or worded something improperly so feel free to ask for clarifications, or just to argue a point.
Never mind the breaches in protocol and defiling of constitutional rights.
Obviously this pregnant woman was a poor hippie who didn't know better.
Move along Citizen.
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1. There is a huge difference between an abortion and a miscarriage.
2. It was a peaceful protest. There should never have been any risk for her to be there.
3. When it became apparent there was a risk, and she had the good sense to get the fuck out of dodge, she should've been allowed to leave.
4. The police shouldn't have used such unnecessary force. The government shouldn't be training the cops to get off on such violence - violence should ONLY be used against civilians if the civilians are endangering the lives of other civilians. ANY OTHER SITUATION where the police use violence is unacceptable and evil.
My heart goes out to this poor woman. She is a victim here - first a victim of our economy, and then a victim of POLICE BRUTALITY, and deserves nothing but kind words and support from the american people. We shouldn't be blaming her! We should be rising up against the corruption, sadism and evil that has obviously infected our once-noble police system.
Of course, those of you who are blaming her probably don't have the balls to stand up for what you believe in, to make this a better world for your children, or to take a face-full of pepper spray just for exercising your rights as an American citizen.
The point isn't whether the suspect is "part of" (subjective) Occupy.
It happened IN an Occupy tent, ON the grounds of the Occupy camp, DURING the day, witnessed BY an Occupy participant.
And yet – Slog – which covers all things Occupy, doesn't appear to have covered what was reported to be a significant sexual assault. What would motivate their decision to hide a sexual assault from readers?
Considering her age and living situation, losing that baby was probably the best thing that could have happened to her.
It happened IN Seattle, ON the grounds of a Seattle institution, DURING the day, witnessed BY a Seattle resident! Seattle is clearly dangerous and should be removed.
I conclude that if the placenta is an extension of the skin in mammals - then its irritation may cause miscarriage, and the young homeless woman in Seattle is right about it. Capsaicin pepper is a South American plant - an anthropologist could tell us if it was used to cause a wanted miscarriage in the past. Indigenous women of the Americas were very knowledgeable about the ways in order to space small babies about one every 4 years. This knowledge help prevent infanticide.
So I think a preventive remedy for Occupiers would be to use and have available any anti-allergic products that contain antihistamine H1 and H2 . The latter are used in some newer stomach anti-acid tablets. Read your labels and contents, you will find them in a pharmacy OTC. I am not optimistic about the use of force by the police in the future.
I am very very sorry Ms. Fox you lost your Miracle. Try for another. Be strong and do not get depressed. Fight for your case and win it. Get an intelligent lawyer. Bless you. I lived in Seattle many years and left some part of my heart there forever.
http://www.youtube.com/user/IowaBoyDave?…
All the clips are there.
A media only interested in content that serves to reinforce the predisposed beliefs of its majority viewer/reader.
Oh wait... isn't that what we accuse Fox News of doing?
Nice.
You know absolutely nothing about anything and this is clear from your useless and uninformed comments. It is obvious that you have no first hand account of the issue at hand. You are NOT an expert on making right choices. Whether or not the miscarriage was caused by police (and I don't think it was) Who the fuck died and made you some high, mighty and superior judge of people. Go to hell slut.
You know absolutely nothing about anything and this is clear from your useless and uninformed comments. It is obvious that you have no first hand account of the issue at hand. You are NOT an expert on making right choices. Whether or not the miscarriage was caused by police (and I don't think it was) Who the fuck died and made you some high, mighty and superior judge of people. Go to hell slut.
Happened as a sub plot in the film, Battle For Seattle...
Yes, the woman had a right to protest, pregnant and all. Geez, this is not the Victorian age where women are on bedrest from the time they find out to the time they give birth,
What she and other Seattle occupiers didn't have the right to do was disrupt everybody else's day by protesting IN THE STREET and defying lawful police orders to move to the sidewalk.
Occupiers think that every Constitutional right applies everywhere (expect at Tea Parties), which puts them exactly on par with the ignorance on display via the Tea Party; they didn't understand the Constitution either. You can peaceably assemble and you can protest, but you can't do it anywhere you want, and you can't impinge on the rights of others to freely move about when you do it.
Finally, both sides need to quit exploiting women to make their points. OWS only seems to care about women when they can use them to make a case in the context of their larger protest; in short, when they can be construed as victims. Otherwise, it's all, "Let them be raped." Fuck all that noise.
Yes, the woman had a right to protest, pregnant and all. Geez, this is not the Victorian age where women are on bedrest from the time they find out to the time they give birth,
What she and other Seattle occupiers didn't have the right to do was disrupt everybody else's day by protesting IN THE STREET and defying lawful police orders to move to the sidewalk.
Occupiers think that every Constitutional right applies everywhere (expect at Tea Parties), which puts them exactly on par with the ignorance on display via the Tea Party; they didn't understand the Constitution either. You can peaceably assemble and you can protest, but you can't do it anywhere you want, and you can't impinge on the rights of others to freely move about when you do it.
Finally, both sides need to quit exploiting women to make their points. OWS only seems to care about women when they can use them to make a case in the context of their larger protest; in short, when they can be construed as victims. Otherwise, it's all, "Let them be raped." Fuck all that noise.
However it is quite sad for her if it's true, and such force should never have been used by the police. It is unlawful and a disgrace to the name of the United States.
Only time you use pepper spray is if the demonstrations are violent like destroying property, vehicles, throwing Molotov cocktails and rocks at police, etc...
Also, saying that a pregnant woman going to a protest is the same as a pregnant woman drinking and smoking is a false analogy. In the latter case, the woman is potentially harming the baby *herself*. In the former case, *other people* are doing the harm.
I see no reason that the police should be using so much violence.
That said, we really don't need anymore humans in this world. Overpopulation is a problem as it is. Why do people feel that they need to have kids? Completely pointless. The least they could do is adopt one.
http://www.demotix.com/news/926678/occup…
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It's pretty clear that tense cops just see a mob; the elderly, the pregnant, the former poet laureate of the USA, all get treated wrongly. This needs to stop right now!
And is The Stranger the same media outlet that, when caught in publicizing this lie, couldn't bring itself to apologize?
This woman obviously did not think that she was putting herself or her child at risk.
And BLAMING THE VICTIM is completely WRONG anyway.
Wake up people.
Why are you reality-ignoring naive white-guilt Libtards at Slog still ignoring the gay-bashing / racist hate crime that was committed against hair stylist Danny Vega? He was almost killed.
I guess it just doesnt fit your "progressive advocacy journalism" agenda to report on racist anti-gay attacks committed by packs of blacks.