To Jennifer Morris: My gay friends feel demeaned because you don't think THEY matter. So fuck off.

She feels demeaned huh? Well I'm sure her husband will console her when she gets home.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Don't these jerks have anything better to do?

I'm with @1 on this one.... Fuck off!

I don't know why the above two commenters seem so dismissive! It seems obvious to me that when two bulls try to tear down a skyscraper, they better be wearing one right shoe and one left shoe in order to walk properly. Therefore, marriage equality is clearly just demeaning to us all.

In summary.

So what they’re saying is that we’re all basically interchangeable cogs? As long as one partner has lady bits and the other partner has man bits, that’s all you need to successfully raise children. Wha?

So they’re all for arranged marriage, right? Since any partner with the correct coordinating bits will result in children, the government should be matching us all up just to make sure no one gets missed. And if anyone’s bits are unable to produce a child, the government can re-arrange the coordinating bits so that someone with reproducible bits gets matched with someone else.

@4 Great fucking comment.

I'm glad I'm not an anti gay bigot. I don't have the energy for the required mental gymnastics.

And once again all it comes down to for this people is the fucking. Since they're so concerned, they should know that we've come up with a number of perfectly workable methods which can be seen for free on the internet.

People are not bulls, bolts, fences, skyscrapers or shoes you idiots.

The "demeaned" comment is priceless. Translation: "I've bought the idea that women deserve less than men because, you know, roles, and I'm in a really crappy marriage with a pig, and if marriage equality shows that all that is unneccessary then I'd have to admit that my current situation is really . . . demeaning. So don't do it, so I can feel better about my choices."

@6 FTW!

To Allison Vance (and her offstage father): You said "Trying to make a same-sex family work is like trying to walk with two left shoes."

As you're only 13 years old, I'm going to assume you have little or no experience with same-sex families, but you can rest assured, honey, that my family works just fine.

Hey, gay-marriage-opposing gentlefolk,

You are clueless and your arguments are trash. Here is why:

MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX OR WITH CHILDREN! NOTHING AT ALL! ZERO!

Let me elaborate. Sex is a natural function. It predates marriage by, oh, I dunno, maybe about a billion years. It's part of our natural heritage, and stronger than all of our institutions. People have sex whether they're married or not. Children are born whether or not their parents are married. People can get married regardless of whether or not they intend to have sex. The State does not care whether or not a couple have sex, or bear children. A marriage license is not conditional on these things.

Therefore, empirically (scientifically, logically, and legally), it is impossible to demonstrate a mandatory linkage between marriage and sex or marriage and children.

In our society, here's what marriage actually is: It's a commitment to a next-of-kin. Someone to love you, to care for you in sickness and in health, to share your life and your economic responsibilities, and to bury you when you die.

Everyone should be able to select someone they love and want to live with as their next of kin. That's what marriage is. If they want to have sex, make babies, and raise a family, and they're capable of it, fine, but people can do that (and do do that, all the time) without being married, just as well.

Marriage: It's all about next-of-kin. Get over yourselves and stop thinking about sex all the time, you fucking perverts!

I know Allison Vance is only 13, but man what a little bitch. A homeschooled, insulated little girl with no real world experience or knowledge who thinks her superior fucking opinion on something she doesn't know shit about should be a guide for all the country on the subject of gay marriage.

@16 Hey now. She'll probably grow out of it once she has the opportunity to escape her parents' house/their abitlity to cram words into her mouth. Also, since when does being young (or uninformed - not the same, as some of these old married people don't know shit about marriage either) mean we shouldn't give a shit about someone's opinion? I'll bet you were totally down with pro-gray kids speaking in some public forum - like, say, in high school.

Don't attack kids, dipshit.

Baudy! They seem awfully focused on penises and vaginas and various metaphors thereof.

Agree with comment about marriage not being about sex - ask any married dude. And, I have easily as many married friends not bucking for a calf or a skyscraper as want to become parents.

Let the opponents keep talking. They sound stupider by the second.

I wonder if Hutch thinks Allison's father is "the worst," too?

Is Allison Vance the daughter of Chris Vance?

Eli,

I wish you'd chosen a more accurate title for your article. I was initially hesitant to watch the video because I thought it would be ALL negative presentations. But at least there were some positive arguments made by people who are living under the current discriminatory law.

What @10 said. People get really nervous when you start taking even implied swings at the patriarchy.

Komen loses a boob.

APNewsBreak: Komen exec quits after funding flap


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg…

I love all the metaphors these morons employ because they are so afraid of coming out and just saying that they oppose gay marriage because gay sex is gross. And as has been said a thousand times before, gay people are having sex whether they're married or not so I'm not sure what these people are actually fighting so hard against.

And Allison Vance is right - trying to make a same sex family work is like trying to walk with two left shoes. Both are difficult and sometimes uncomfortable. The difference is that she and other ignorant bigots like her are the only reason same sex families have a hard time. If they would shut the hell up and crawl back in the hole they came from then making a same sex family work would be easy.

Again, opponents of marriage equality get their 'day,' and again, peeling back the religious arguments, all we are left with is a threadbare appeal to tradition.

This faulty reasoning would give me hope when the question comes before the Supreme Court, but Scalia and Thomas' reasoning usually does boil down to, "because always, humpf." How dishonest, how cowardly.

So since it's hard for you to walk with two left shoes, we should require people born with two left feet to still wear matching pairs of shoes?

Men and women will continue to exist after this bill. And those among them who choose to legally adopt the state-approved benefits accompanying committed cohabitation are and will ever be still able to do so.

I gotta say I love "theadbare appeal to tradition." I would add, an even more threadbare appeal to the majority to ignore the concerns of the minority. "You don't have to care about THEM," they say. Bring back slavery! Everyone was happier then. Every one who COUNTs, at least.

@17

Go fuck yourself. This little twit is rallying to deny gay families any rights while smearing them as some sort of abomination to nature and your pissed because I might hurt her fee-fees?

I don't care if she's "only" thirteen. She's a thirteen year old homophobic asshole who took time off from doing her math homework with Mommy to come out and speak in a public forum on something she doesn't know a fuck thing about.

Get your priorities straight dear. If people really grow out of their hate once they get older, than where are all of these adult assholes coming from, huh? This bitch will be the same at 23, 33, 43 etc as she is at 13.

Now, I'm off to my local high school pro-gay rally. Twat.

@28 Why, yes, I do have a twat! How clever of you to point that out.

I don't give a shit about her feelings. It's about the other adults in the room, watching how you treat children and judging your cause by your conduct. Also, recognize the amount of power this kid has: she's a fucking puppet who read a statement her dad wrote. Save your vitriol for kids for when it really matters, like when you see this kid deliberately bashing someone else. It's a little thing called "strategy."

Allison Vance, 13, who said she'd decided to testify on her own, but would be reading testimony “partly written" by her father

In a few years, someone is going to be very pissed at dad for enshrining her on the wrong side of history.

@28 Also, how can you possibly believe that people don't change their minds as they grow up or just grow old? Twenty-five years ago, people were dying of AIDS and had to do totally radical shit to have their humanity recognized at all. Now, we're winning popular votes on civil rights - something that isn't true for race-based civil rights, which had to rely on the courts - because people, dragged kicking and screaming, changed their minds. And the prognosis is only up from here as the die-hard bigots, well, die off.

You need to examine your persecution complex, sweetie. Bless your heart.

@23 wins all the day's threads.

@15: Amen! You need to be down there testifying, because that is a solid and logical argument.

Those poor bozos only got to complain to 7 legislators and a secretary. I'm sure they felt that their concerns were taken seriously <--- sarcasm

hawt

All of these arguments boil down to the following: "This is the way we've always done things. Change is scary. And, THE SEX."

@34 I'm not sure they want to hear from the likes of me, a New York resident. Plus, it's a long haul. However, if you're anywhere near the hearings, I'd be pleased to let you use my words if you haven't got any better ones. (That goes for everyone, by the way.)

Argument from metaphor is a logical fallacy argument from metaphor is a logical fallacy ARGUMENT FROM METAPHOR IS A LOGICAL FALLACY!!!

@23 I think you've just topped every clever headline ever printed on the front page of the New York Post. I stand in awe.

@38, ah! Brooklyn Reader = truth in advertising, then.

Well, I will use it when I get a chance.

@39 I was just about to say the same thing. What kind of idiot does this? It would be like saying that since Morris Dancers are basicly idiots with too much time on their hands so must anyone named Morris be an idiot with too much time on her hands... And why the hell is a 13-year old testifying?

I wouldn't trust a 13yo to pick out my clothes for the day much less let them have a say in the much bigger question of whether religious belief or social equality is the more relevant issue in a modern society.

@36 - Dammit, venomlash. NSFW!

For a homophobe, Jennifer Morris should does know a lot about rubbing nuts together.

@10 - I think you won the Internets for today.

Wow, I've never heard so much anger and cussing over "marriage". Get a life people and keep your sexual preferences to yourselves - ALL of you.

@47 - Fucking dipshit.

I've never heard of so much anger and cussing regarding "marriage" - you people should get a life and keep your sexual preferences to yourselves - ALL of you.

Yes. If you want to make babies, you have to put a penis in a vagina. And if you don't want to make babies (like gay people having sex with each other and living in loving, committed relationships), you don't have to put a penis in a vagina. In fact, it would be silly to do so.

@50 technically, you only have to put sperm in a vagina. No, strike that, technically you only have to put sperm on an egg, and then put the egg in a uterus. (Right? I don't work with mammals but I'm pretty sure on this point.)

If what they say is true, then there would be no gay people, since they all were created by, and the majority raised by heterosexuals.

Or, conversely, if married heterosexuals are natural and perfect, then gay is one natural outcome, hence perfect.

In 13 yr old terms then, it is the bolt and nut that created the bolt in search of a bolt...to paraphrase the 1964 classic: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057808/

Your all idiots. Gay marriage shouldn't exist. Not because I dont want it to, but because its a common mental illness brought on by having trouble liking the opposite sex. Don't be in denial. Every gay person I have met said that they can't stand women and they can't imagine having a relationship with one. Only very few like both, those have another story. And there is no such thing as gay rights. If there is, then I want my own rights to specific things I like. I want to have 4 arms and three penises. I want to be able to marry 10 wives and adopt monkeys as my children. I want to smoke drugs, because it makes me "happy"... It would be natural according to what homosexuals say. Im evolving, so I want to do anything I want. You guys are also forgetting that guy's have a penis, and women have a "hole for the penis", there is a reason for the "hole". And don't say guys also have a hole. lol Thats for your shit, not penises. Its also part of our dna. So there is no evolution happening with gays. And the population will increase slower than the normal rate because of gays and lesbians. Slower population rise, slower rate of technological improvements. I know the technology wouldn't improve much if gays didn't exist, but in the long run it makes a huge difference. I don't hate gays or lesbians. I just don't approve of this spreading to the rest of humanity. You can't just say being gay is a part of evolution. That would mean anything I do is also a part of evolution. Whats normal is defined by what has been normal for a "longer period" of time. Again, not because I set those rules, but because if we continue to change what is normal(without change in our dna), then we really don't know what is normal or moral anymore. So we should all just get 3 penises and maybe a 4 boobies for the heck of it.