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A more important question: When is Phoenix Jones going to be arrested for his unprovoked attack on Baconcat?
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"...and then get back to the business of ignoring them."

But first I have to blog about them for my paycheck. Yeah, I have ideals and shit, but there's no fucking way I'm getting a job in a cubicle like the losers who generate ad impressions from my Slog posts about how media attention for vandals just encourages them.
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Not that I'm keeping score...but how many of these violent criminals were African American?

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Well, I for one am glad they used rocks if they were going to vandalize McGinn's house. No matter how cavalier he is at trampling the Constitution, the police obviously can't confiscate all the rocks.
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Who is the real coward here? The slog and ultimately the Stranger always hide behind establishment values and ridicule those with the balls to take a stand. No people were the target of these acts of aggression; vandalism is property damage, and thus a legitimate target in the fighting dialogue of defense against power. You, the lofty writer are nothing more than a critic, never one to leave the safety of your edited responses, and so just as easily ignorable.
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Idiot children. Did they catch the morons who broke out the windows in black hoodies, then changed clothes in front of a video camera?
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Thank you, Cienna.

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Alex Garland, one of the arrested, was a photographer for the event. He was not involved in any of the property damage, nor is he the type of person to "grab an officer." He was, however, dressed in all black. So was Bobbi DiTrani. I am almost positive that this has more to do with their arrests than any of their actions yesterday.
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@2, Zing!
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@5 - Throwing things through people's windows in the middle of the night isn't just property damage. It's harassment and terrorism. I said it before when they were protesting down the hill from his house the other week - a person's home is off-fucking-limits.

No one gets to terrorize a person's family and dismiss it as "taking a stand". I can't believe you're implicitly defending such an act. Are you high?

Or maybe you're talking about the damage during the protests? Well, equally cowardly, hiding in a group of peaceful protesters, co-opting their cause for your own infantile "smash the state" message. As was stated in Kiley's post earlier repeatedly - the people working in these shops don't know that you're just breaking a window like a douchebag and moving on. For all they know, you're running inside next and beating them with a sharpened stick. Or chain. Or a 4" knife.

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@5 Hey Godzilla, apparently not so easy for you to ignore, eh?
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I could kiss you for writing this Cienna. Well done.
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Also, wasn't Cienna the one who was talking about declaring Jan Brewer dead? Such a high horse for someone tossing out violent rhetoric against a governor.
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So when will the ACLU win their cases?

Meanwhile, non-Seattle Black Bloc Anarchists for the epic fail.

Even with the now guaranteed approval for unconstitutional Spy Drones over Seattle by the City Council, Seattle still loves our Mayor.
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@10: I don’t care what you believe or not, there is a time and a place for vandalism, and if money can be a form of speech, then so can vandalism. I was not there, but I do not believe any people were targeted (I hope not). Your (and the Slog’s) quick need to silence legitimate protesting voices and actions are questionable and belies your hypocrisy for justice.
@11 as she says: "...and then get back to the business of ignoring them."
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When a thug starts hurting you and your family and you say 'hey stop that!' but they keep hurting you. So you say, 'no I really mean it, STOP!' but they keep hurting you. Then you say, 'I'm gonna call the cops!' but the look they give you says, in so many words, 'like I don't already OWN the cops,' and then proceed to keep hurting you. What do you do then?

So Cienna wants us all to be polite to the thugs that are hurting us and our families, the thugs polluting our planet, shitting on our communities, impoverishing us and leading us into a kind of corporate/fascist state. We say, 'hey stop that!' but they keep doing it and they've bought off our government. So what do we do? Good thing Cienna is here to say it is ok to be a passive victim because we all know that thugs really do have our best interests at heart. Too bad she wasn't around to give such sage advice to the Boston Tea Partiers, or to Abraham Lincoln, or to FDR. Because the world would be so much better if our ancestors had only been passive victims back when we were dealing with corrupt monarchies, or slavery, or German fascists. Because you know, a rock doesn't say anything. Or whatever.
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“the people working in these shops don't know that you're just breaking a window like a douchebag and moving on. For all they know, you're running inside next and beating them with a sharpened stick. Or chain. Or a 4" knife.”

Exactly. And anyone familiar with rioting history has heard of mob mentality. A group of angry young men start vandalizing institutions they want to target and soon the violence turns to personal property (sound familiar, apologists?) and then quickly – frighteningly quickly – turns to physical attacks of an authority figure, then onto anyone nearby who might represent an authority figure, and then the violence breeds more violence and becomes random.
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I love you Cienna, for calling bullshit on these jerks. I love you anyway.
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Does anyone care that those arrested for these actions are NOT the people who participated in these actions?
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ONE arrest for property damage. What happened to all that video supposedly showing the hooligans changing their clothes and heading into the Occupy crowd? Bang up job, SPD.
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We need to start a 98% movement, not here for the 1% on either side. Go to the hippie-dippy marches and when the assholes start using the protest as cover, we start using the assholes for non-combative takedown practice. I would have loved to see the occupiers hold down those vandals, zip tie their hands and feet and let the police collect them after the march moves on. That would give more positive spin to the movement that the goddamn puppet shows they have been doing for the past 15 years.
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I don't disagree that vandalism can be a legitimate form of speech (e.g., the ploughshare nuns that break into missile silos and pour out their blood to damage weaponry), but attacking people's homes at night is harassment/intimidation.
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Is than an antenna sticking out of that cops head?
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wow that is your definition of intellectual backflips?

you are not a very smart person or a good reader.
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@18 Are you seriously calling yesterday's events a "riot"? I have a flair for the dramatic sometimes, but boy, you've got me beat. You should be working at KIRO -- you might help them pull in some better ratings with those histrionics. Would've been a real asset for them yesterday.
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Vandalism is totally counter-productive when trying to build a broad mass movement for grass-root democracy. There are many possible acts of civil disobedience that would make the corporate media take note of grievances, so it's poor logic to invoke the visibility of smashing windows to get media coverage.
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@26 Are you seriously incapable of reading comprehension?

You seem to be a jackass. Can you understand that or do you need it explained?
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Terrific!
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As Dr. Martin Luther King said " The greatest purveyor of violence is my own government". The government and the economic system it represents is responsible for poverty,war,evnvironmental destruction, racism,sexism,etc.. These make window breaking pale into insignificance. However, the real problem with Black Bloc tactics is that they don't help to grow and strengthen a mass movement that can really challenge the system. In fact they are counter-productive , driving people away and taking up resources on unnecessary court cases. Serious movement activists should oppose Black Block tactics not because they are immoral or hurt capitalist property , but because they are ultimately ineffective at really challenging capitalism.
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@26: your logic sounds like this, "If you don't change your position, I will damage your property/livelihood." You sound somewhere between a mobster and a terrorist.
Or maybe just a troll.
For those claiming defense-- against what, exactly? those evil baristas at Starbucks? the "1%" salespeople at Niketown? Gimme a break
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@28 I'm seriously capable of reading comprehension when what is written is comprehensible and not ridiculous, outlandish, and melodramatic. Yesterday was not a riot, there was no real mob mentality that I observed AT ALL. There were disparate actions by a one group that resulted in vandalism.

For all you know, the attack on the mayor's house is completely unrelated. Why don't you go write your freshman sociology paper somewhere else?
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@31 what position? whose position? what the fuck are you talking about?
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@30, Word. Black Bloc or whoever they are should ponder why their tactics are virtually indistinguishable from those of agent provocateurs.
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well said, Cienna.
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@32 Fucking hell, you are obnoxious, but here goes:

Window breaking has been described as harmless to regular folk; it’s just about the corporations. But there are real, live, minimum-wage-earning PEOPLE behind that glass who are being terrorized by these glass-breaking thugs. They do not know, they cannot know, that the thugs will stop with glass-breaking.

We can look at riots throughout history. We can follow past progression. Riots typically start with one person throwing a stone through a window and end… well, let’s look at LA.

No, idiot, this was not a riot, but the people behind the glass had no fucking way of knowing that as they were being terrorized.

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@4 ("pffffter") Give it a rest, you're not living in a fucking orwell novel.
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@37 Fuck you. I'll give it a rest when I'm good and ready.
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Violence (or "vandalism," if I must) is always counter-productive to the cause. The most despicable groups throughout history used/use scare tactics to get their way; no one admires them for it but reactionary mouth-breathers.
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@36 Really? They couldn't possibly have known about the anarchists coming to town and the possibility that they might break some windows even though it's been in the media for weeks before the protest? Terrorized? Sheesh. I'm so glad all those minimum wage workers have you standing up for them. Maybe you should stop by there and serve them some nice relaxing chamomille tea and xanax to calm them down since you're so concerned for their welfare.
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So, hold on.

John T. Williams turns around with a folded whittling blade in his hand, and gets shot point blank without ever having committed a single crime.

Yet, hundreds of weapons were carried in by black clad terrorists who took over the streets of Seattle and caused massive destruction, yet not one bullet was fired.

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@1 for the Jail Time For Actual Crimes Time follow-up-not-quite-the-win.
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@41 they were white.

Duhhhhh.
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@ #8. Exactly. Why was Mr. Garland arrested? Oh yes, because the cops didn't want him taking more pictures of their violent thuggery which turned the streets of Seattle into a volatile situation yesterday.
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@33: I know it's a complicated world and you don't get it, but don't get too worked up about it. Just relax and leave the thinking to the grown ups. You can go back to making silly faces in pictures now.
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All modern anarchists are is petty troublemakers that couldn't even survive in a stateless society. I hope that these people will read some actual literature while they spend their time in jail. I will gladly volunteer to buy them a copy of Saul Alinsky's works. All property is the property of the worker, made by a worker's hands and a worker's will. It is just temporarily in the hands of the monied elite, but even the elite cannot withstand the power of a mobilized democracy that seizes control of the state apparatus.
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I was very pleasantly surprised at the high level of discourse surrounding the May Day protests and some of the more theatric elements of it in Eli and Brendan's articles. I really appreciated the sentiments they both expressed and I thought both articles were very well written and thought out. I was especially appreciative that the question of the political nature and message conveyed or meant to be conveyed by the actions taken against Nike, American Apparel, the banks, and a few other nasty and unfortunate corporate tenants downtown was actually taken seriously. All in all, I was starting to think that maybe The Stranger was coming around a bit or at least respecting the legitimacy of some of the anger people demonstrated yesterday and attempting to engage with it thoughtfully.

Then I read this piece...
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How exactly does tens of thousands of dollars in damage to businesses imply a "well orchestrated police response?" LOL police lost big time on May Day.
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@48

I'm going to assume here that your understanding of microeconomics is minimal, so I apologize if this seems insulting, but:

Tens of thousands of dollars in damage, spread across even just a half a dozen businesses able to pay downtown rents, doesn't merit anything more than "a slightly slow Tuesday, bad weather" in the office log.

I'm entirely open to Actions that heavily impact megacorporate business, but this didn't even come close. The Seattle Action would have had at least five times the economic impact if it had simply started at 6am, and disrupted the flow of labor to the corporate overlords, instead of starting at 5pm, when the official daily 9-5 corporate servitude had already been extracted from the laborer.
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Proves that people don't need guns to fight with the established government. Just going around breaking windows infuriates the control-freaks in society. Imagine if they instead had crossbows with burning arrows that they shot into his home. Then it would be on fire! These guys clearly have one up on the militia nuts.
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...yet the people who defaced property in the Boston Tea Party are looked on as heros, not as cowards.
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'... in the end, what the fuck does a rock say? Nothing. Rocks don't make points or change policy. A rock thrown at McGinn's house could mean, "McGinn, I disagree with how you let SPD police our citizens" just as easily as it could mean, "I'm a shill for the powerful window-glass industry! Broken windows are our bread and butter™!"'

Then why the fuck assume it was by "anarchists" in the first place?

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