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Panic in Seatroit, I asked for an autograph
The fuck's going on?
Jumping immediately to conclusions without other info is not only a waste of effort but usually looks real stupid once more details emerge.
"Male in 8th and Seneca shooting described as a white male, 35 yoa, blonde crew cut, driving a black Mercedes SUV. Armed with a gun."
Great. Two nutjobs with guns and willing to use them out & about.
At least both the shooters have been Caucasian, so we are spared the bulk of the racist comments that usually accompany the news articles.
Condolences to the victims and their families. : (
My opinion will change if it turns out these shooters really were on a rampage shooting whomever their paths crossed. Otherwise, the boys in blue have just figured out how to use Twitter to ratchet up fear city wide, for highly localized crime. Convenient.
Unless they are half hispanic.
@28 Convenient or a conspiracy!
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick, why do we let all of these people have guns?
What’s going on in the city? Sigh.
I know there's not a lot of love for the SPD here (or, it seems in Seattle in general. I live in NYC so I can't speak with any authority about it) but you're being an asshole. The right, reasonable and responsible thing to do when something like this happens is to let people know about it. If I lived, worked or hung out in these neighborhoods I'd want to know. Shooting rampages are NOT isolated incidents. And anyone and everyone in the vicinity is at risk.
And maybe, the shooters are actually the police themselves! I have no evidence for this, but I want it to be true, so it is!
I bet the police kidnapped the Lindbergh baby too, and the Area 51 UFO crash was the police, who also filmed the fake moon landing.
Oh wait, yours was funnier because it wasn't true.
So count your blessings.
Perhaps your police do those things, and perhaps there is evidence for it, but that is a wholly other issue.
See, since his point was conspiracy theory bullshit, I was responding with other conspiracy theory bullshit that is just as supported as his claims.
You can certainly read words, but perhaps a bit of comprehension would help too. Great job in realizing that my conspiracy statements were not true though!
And your evidence for that is where? Maybe hiding up your ass?
"maybe they actively harass and abuse members minority races"
DOJ said they don't.
Enjoy your police-free dystopia as it turns on you.
Not surprisingly, I was shocked at just how toxic the relationship was between the SPD and her residents when I first moved here. I'm not a law and order guy by any stretch, but the folks here just seemed to hate the cops. At first I thought it was disrespectful and over the line. After 5 years in this city I began to realize that the hatred wasn't completely unwarranted. The SPD is pretty jacked up (just ask the DOJ). More to the point, the SPD hates the residents of Seattle every bit as much as the city hates them. Take a look at that SPOG blog now and then and you'll see just how screwed up their attitude is.
Where this toxic attitude started I could not say. But it's here. And you're being a bit presumptuous to throw around accusations when you clearly have no idea what we're dealing with in Seattle.
Are you serious? Making it harder to get guns makes it safer not because of your ridiculous logic that you project on the opposing viewpoint.
Let us take your example though of him having a knife I guarantee you he would not have been able to stab 5 people without someone taking him down.
Also, the difference between the protection a car door provides to a knife attack as opposed to a gun shot is phenomenal.
And lastly just shut up, the argument against more gun control is just bologna. It's not worth trying to spew either because it's a waste of words, which there already are too many of.
Seeing this department as not being a political entity with an agenda is moronic. Just because your brain can't handle the fine detail, and big picture doesn't mean I'm a moron.
And actually, you are so busy being an hysteric, you don't even get the fine detail right. If there is a shooter in a neighborhood, you know a really good way of keeping people out of the area and alerting locals? A police cordon and local announcement (whether by loudspeaker or other means). That's how it's been done since times before Twitter. I'm willing to bet it was done today too. Sure, I suppose using Twitter to alert a wider audience is fine, but it doesn't protect anyone that the police cordon SPD more than likely put up today did. But it might be hard to think of that when you are too busy laundering your peed pants and calling other people assholes.
The right, reasonable, and responsible thing to do when faced with a police department desperate to be loved after failing at their job...particularly in the thick of the public debate and PR campaign over that failure...is to question why they are saying what they are saying in that context. Unlike you I don't preclude their being any public safety value to their message, but you, in your child-like state, are completely disregarding if not disdaining the wider context.
Might I be wrong about SPD's motives, sure. But in Danny Westneat's column about the shooting of the Madrona dad on Cherry street, he specifically mentioned getting letters from officers that the reason shootings like this are happening is because the DOJ has tied their hands. You know because doing effective policing means having to be able to deny people their rights or summarily beat them for being brown. Not do things like hiring some people that aren't white and don't live in Issaquah to walk beats and do some community policing.
Thanks to people like you we got the Iraq War, Gitmo, and eroded civil rights at home. Open your eyes and use your brain. Thanks, asshole.
If you want to be a smartass, it's helpful to note the prefix is "smart" and try to be that. Otherwise you hazard looking like a dumbass. A perch not so easy to claim snark points from.
should they NOT tell us? what an absurd idea.
thank you 33.
Could one of the Stranger Writers please seek to clarify if these are separate incidents, related incidents, or we don't know. Because the shit-ass reporting here makes it impossible to tell.
As a rule I hate police departments. And the SPD is certainly fucked up. That doesn't mean they were doing anything wrong in this case. And I was only talking about this case.
Yeah, it is a real mark of intelligence to claim far reaching conspiracies you have no evidence for. Take off the tinfoil hat, it is constricting the flow to your brain.
Your point was that since this "feels" like the police are fanning fear, that it must be true. Are you saying the shootings are fake, or that the police should not share this with the public? Have any proof at all?
But what you say is true, because it "feels" that way to you. You know, I heard the gub'mint puts fluoride in the drinking water as a form of mind control. It feels like it might be true so it is!
Sadness, all around. :'(
Interesting. Most of us would be accused of terrorism for making such threats.
I dug up the quote. On May 26, 2012, in "Shooting victim a dad just like me," Danny Westneat wrote, "A police officer wrote to say to expect more violence as long as the force has one arm tied behind its back by the feds and the media."
Most likely it's a car-owning white person angry at cyclists, with a gun.
Obviously, whether or not this turns out to be the guy, this is a terrible tragedy for everyone that is close to this community, and my heart goes out to anyone personally affected by this. Please keep it civil and compassionate y'all.
I'm not sure what argument you're actually trying to make - you keep saying you might be wrong - but the fact that you keep referring to those arguing against it as some kind of pants-wetting ninnies kind of demonstrates the level of debate you're trying to have.
tl;dr: You're full of shit.
I write for the Seattle Schools Community Forum blog and live right by RHS so I went over to check. There is a police presence continuing around the school.
Higher taxes will stop crazy people from shooting you! I swear it's true! This never happened before 2008!
What if he simply refused his meds, can we blame him then?
Oh lordy, he come the 'blame every but the person responsible' crowd, tails between their asses, testicles in a jar at home hidden by their women.
I'm three blocks away from the Racer Cafe, and we have the doors locked. But we're not cowering in fear saying "please protect us with a brutal police state!" There are no peed pants. We're just hoping this ends soon, and glad to know about the situation and able to make informed choices about restricting entry to the building and going out or not.
Yeah, some of the police act shitty. But sometimes there's situations where the police department comes in handy--like, say, looking for a murder suspect.
No, seriously, fuck you.
There are people reading this who have lost their friends. Take your trolling somewhere else today. Please.
55: We should be encouraging government to share more information via multiple outlets, not less. Less information invariably leads to unfounded speculation, which we see just in this thread...
@90 This is a public forum, not a private memorial.
Where did you see that? Every figure I've ever seen shows between 1/3 and 1/2 as many guns per capita in Canada when compared to the US.