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Jesus. He's just digging himself in deeper and deeper.
2
Thanks for this post Paul. My comment on the previous one was worded badly. I loathe telling people what to do. For some reason it felt clever at the time.

@1 r u republican? You sound solemn. What you say should be great news for Borock.
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@1Not really. Conservatives and libertarians have ni problem with his answer. That's what they believe.
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No pre-heart-attack care for that person at the emergency room, though. No way to *prevent* that heart attack from occurring. Nope, gotta wait until their heart explodes out of their chest before we can do anything about it.

I guess Willard's evil twin robot brother Zillard really *did* steal that empathy chip, 'cuz Mitt ain't got one damn bit of it.
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@3 I think many of them believe hospitals shouldn't have to stabilize the indigent. The poor should simply be allowed to die. If you think otherwise, then you have to consider more and less efficient ways to care for poor people. Lots of data shows relying on the ER is about as inefficient as you can get. Really, preventative care is cheapest. If you can afford it. The problem is we want to have a society in which people aren't dying on the floor for lack of money, but we are too short sighted or cruel to just pay for them to see a doctor before it is an emergency. The libertarians get around this by just letting people die on the floor.
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Ok so let me get this straight in Romney world, it makes sense to wait to provide care until it is as expensive to as possible.

Then provide it in the least efficient way as possible.

After which you present the public with the most expensive bill as possible.

Yeah Republicans are fiscally responsible. *rollseyes*

Romney unfit to govern.
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Mitt Romney is a fucking douchebag. Put it on a bumper sticker, bitches.
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When you go to the ER and don't have insurance and can't pay the bills for it, the costs generally come out of tax dollars. That's right, Mitt wants to take your money and give it to moochers!
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Conservatives don't realize that it actually costs them more in the long run by relying on the ER.

They're ignorant of that fact. Even when it's explained to them, they don't believe it.

So don't waste your time.

You have to drag them, kicking and screaming, into a better world. They have to be forced.
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i love how he keeps saying 'in my state' we did this...does he live in Mass anymore? He was governor once there, and lost every other election he's run in. And now he has homes in San Diego, NH, and wherever else.

The biggest problem i have with him is i dont really know what he is. Is he a teaparty, ann ranyd loving champion of the little guy, or a big-money, east coast elitist with 3 mansions, yachts, an Olympic horse.

He seems like a French-speaking John Kerry wannabe.

Somebody tell me please what the real story is, otherwise i have to vote for Gary Johnson!

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So, now we are back to the old "let them use the emergency room" solution.

Mr. Romney is an idiot. What is he thinking? What are his campaign staff thinking?

I am always assumed that Mr. Romney was disinterested and unengaged.

But not stupid.

I was wrong.

He is stupid.
12
Watching this guy go down in flames is the best political coverage I've seen since Clinton/Lewinsky.
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#1 - Great. Keep that hatred between the states going - We don't want to do anything in Tey-ux-sus that they do in Massachusetts! This guy has no limits, no scruples when it comes to what comes out of his mouth. And I just read that Obama's support in rural areas has plunged while King of the Mormons is killin' it in the sticks.

#2 - Also, Mr. Nebulous says states have "ways" of caring for people - providing care for people in immediate need - Yeah...and I've seen how that works. I've seen administrators bent over people on gurneys in agony withholding pain medicine until a repayment plan is settled upon.

One rich, clueless motherfucker. Loves money. Hates people.
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Romney doesn't know that ERs in public hospitals like Harborview rely on taxes to help them stay open. He also doesn't know that unless you're in a "bleeding/breathing" emergency, you wait. Since heart attack symptoms aren't always what you think they'd be, yes, people may die on the floor when they're waiting to see someone. Romney doesn't know any of this because he doesn't care. That's the relevant thing about Romney: he just doesn't care. And it isn't because he's rich; Ted Kennedy was rich and he harassed Congress for years about a national healthcare plan because he cared.
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Imagine, if you will, had Mitt answered by starting with the words between the asterisks below:

Scott Pelley:
Does the government have the responsibility to provide health care to the Americans that don’t have it today?

Romney:
*Yes, at a minimum*, Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance.

That’s what, I think, he was saying. Starting from core government emergency care and working up to other plans. This is the grandfather of Obamacare talking, so I don’t see what all the ruffled feathers are about.

This is essentially a mirror of Obama’s “You didn’t build that” debacle. There was endless pounding of conservatives for not being nuanced enough to understand that Obama meant the roads and the bridges to get to the business. At least you uppity lefties could afford the same courtesy of nuance in this case.
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@15 - "uppity" is too obvious. You've been really lazy with your trolling lately. You're not The Onion; the point is to make people really think you're genuine.
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But don't worry guys! This is the safety net. If it's broken, Romney will fix it. Somehow.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20…
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Whenever he says "back in my state" he sets himself for basically people remembering "RomneyCare", which ObamaCare was modelled after.
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It has nothing to do with "nuance," @15. As several other people have pointed out, you can't walk into an ER with cancer, or MS, or diabetes, and say "Help me!" If you're hemorrhaging or unconscious, they'll patch you up and send you home ASAP with a multi-thousand-dollar bill (including $10 Tylenols and $50 bandages). If you honestly can't pay, you'll be made [more] miserable by collection agencies for the next seven years or so. If you live that long.

Look, people who've been cruising along for years on employer-provided insurance getting MRIs and CAT scans for every little pang and itch, with no feedback as to the economic realities thereof, simply don't get it. I understand that fact; I was in those shoes once. But for godsakes stop trying to apologize for your guy from a position of pig-ignorance.
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It's like being against abortion and then complaining about taxpayers paying the expense of raising an indigent child. It makes zero economic or moral sense.
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Um, George W answered that question the same damn way. That's all Republicans got for health care.
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This shitty expensive care gets paid for, through invisible taxes, cranked up insurance rates, etc. Only the stupidest citizens have not figured this out. You know, the rock-ribbed solid Repuglican base.
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Look on the bright side. With no follow up care he prob wont have to live long with the crushing dispair of his enormous medical debt.
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bur i don't live in an apartment. do romneyublances pick up the 47% of us that live in cardboard boxes under the overpass?
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@15
"At least you uppity lefties could afford the same courtesy of nuance in this case."

So you spend your time attempting to troll here and just end up defending racists and bigots.
Because having strangers on the internet call you an idiot is still better than any of your other options.

Depending upon the emergency room is, as many others have pointed out, the LEAST efficient and MOST expensive method of providing any health care.
You are an idiot.
Other countries do far better for far less money.
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Just go to the ER? Romney is just an ingrained ultra-rich man who has lived no other life and cannot fathom what it means to be poor. He considers himself and his wife above the crowd. He is blind, deaf and dumb when it comes to empathy and understanding that ordinary hard working people have the right to living a decent life He fired thousands to make his millions with no understanding the he was destroying families. It's all just spreadsheets to him...... and Ann wants us to stop picking on him. Perhaps she would like to have us wash his feet.
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As someone who works in healthcare, I can tell you showing up in the ER with insurance is quite a different experience than an uninsured patient faces. If you have insurance, and you break a bone, you will get a surgical ORIF (Setting the bone with plates etc.) from the ortho team. If you are self pay, the ER doctor will do the best he can to set the bones into place, and you'll be put out on the street as soon as possible. Good luck to you. Romney knows nothing about healthcare, or what it's like to be poor, or even middle class.
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@15: So we should listen to what the ideal Willard who exists in your head thinks instead of what the real live one actually spews from his festering gob?

Takeaway: Mitt Romney does not speak for the Mitt Romney campaign.
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Not that my opinion of Rmoney can get any lower, but he's one twirled mustache away from being a cartoon villain.
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@15: And if Romney had wheels, he would be a wagon!

Wait, I can do this too: Imagine, if you will, that Mitt Romney had a clear message, solid answers for our problems, compassionate feelings, diplomatic ability, and empathy for the common American.

My mind has been changed! Romney 2012!
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@30 - that's what GDfR does though, exactly. He tells us not to worry about Rmoney supporting a constitutional amendment banning marriage, because in his head Rmoney won't when he's in office.

Or that he'll manage foreign relations better.

Or that he'll fix our long term budget issues.

And on and on.
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I'm totally distracted by his snookie tan.
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@2 No, I have never been (and never will be) a Republican. That would require a callous disregard for all human life save the unborn and a level of hypocrisy that I could not live with.
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Thanks Dr. Mittens, MPH. Probably wrote his thesis on how well ER care works for diabetes. Gangrenous foot? We can amputate that for you! Good thing you never got a little preventive care.
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Oops. Forgot to add: Fuck Mitt Rmoney gently with a chainsaw.
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after passing romneycare, romney knows this is a BS answer. but he has nothing else he can say, as he's teapartied into an ideological corner.

he has to oppose his own plan on the grounds of federalism. "sure, it worked in Massachusetts, but we need 50 separate solutions for America as a whole, not one." absurd on its face, but that's the way the GOP likes it.
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But but but if we let just ANYBODY go to the doctor, then the doctors would have to work HARDER and might even be able to afford TWO YACHTS this year!!!
38
I kinda like Romney. At least he's honest about policies that normal Republicans lie about.
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@29 Whenever someone says "Mitt Romney", my brain automatically conjures up an image of Dick Dastardly. I can't help it. Brain, STOP IT. Just stop it. I am getting used to it though.
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Ugh, right after I watched this I check Facebook and see that basically everyone in my family outside of my immediate family members have "liked" Mitt Romney. I come from a family of idiots. Thank god I got the sane and intelligent parents and that I'm adopted so not biologically tied to the moron brigade.
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@15.. see ..so now i'm back to wanting to slap shit outta you..
try this for an experiment. feign a cough and a fever and walk into harborview,.which is arguably one of the best trauma hospitals in the country. tell them you think you have the flu, ask for some care and tell them you have no insurance.
*crickets*
no no.. just try it. see where you end up.
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@40 welcome to the club. and worse, they're all in ohio, a key swingstate. and worse yet, none of them can cite actual facts that lead them to their choice.
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@41: Please re-read @15. Romney is not saying "Hey everybody, don't bother getting health insurance. Just waltz on down to your local friendly ER."

This barely making any news in the MSM.

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Don't forget the many situations where someone, in crisis, in an ambulance, is driven from hospital to hospital, rejected by each because they don't have insurance to begin with.

This happened in Omaha in the late 80's, my mom was a nurse and came home one night with this story. I'm sure it's happened before and since.

Needless to say, the person in crisis died.
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@43
"This barely making any news in the MSM."

And your point is?

"Romney is not saying 'Hey everybody, don't bother getting health insurance.'"

Or course not.
But why didn't you quote what he ACTUALLY said?
Here, I'll help you out.

"If someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care."

He is 100% correct IN HIS VERY LIMITED EXAMPLE.
The problem is that doing so is the LEAST efficient and MOST expensive means of doing so AND DOES NOT APPLY TO NON-EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.
You cannot address that because all you can do is defend racists and bigots. That is a very sad life.
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43, No, he's saying that it's an adequate way of providing healthcare to the uninsured. The uninsured do not get the same treatment in the ER as do insured people. It overwhelmes the ER system when people treat it like a doctor's office, plus it cost much more than any government provided plan.
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@43.. so where does romney ( and you) think the nominally sick who are uninsured should go? what do y'all think they should do ?
and your heart attack patients. after they leave er , where can they get the long term care they're going to need ?
romney doesn't deserve any ' benefit from doubts, least of all from liberals, the question remains why you keep giving him that
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I like how Gay Dude offers what he wishes Romney had said/meant, and uses that for his arguments, expecting everyone else to pretend along with him.


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