Under I-502, Pot Stores Banned Almost Everywhere in Seattle

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1
You know, I seem to recall you deriding the opponents of I-502 as the worst sort of human beings with some pretty strong rhetoric about why we needed to pass this immediately. Do you perhaps see why some pot-loving Washingtonians actually thought this was a bad fucking law?
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That's good news for your friendly neighborhood medical dispensary.
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Welcome to Georgetown -- your new Pot Store Shopping District!
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@1 even if it takes longer to open the stores, the decriminalization part was worth it... I don't believe anyone has been busted for any kind of possession by any authority since Dec 6.
5
As a resident of the central district, I have mixed feelings. Pot nearby would be neat but I hope crime doesn't rise. Will dispensaries need bank-style vaults?
6
Looks fair to me.

Ballard, Fremont, Georgetown, SLU for the 4/20 win!

Sucks to be you, Capitol Hill.
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(btw -- is there anything in this law preventing a store from being located in an allowed zone but still offer "delivery services" for customers living outside that zone?)
8
Delivery, now there's an idea!
9
"shall not issue a license for any premises within one thousand feet of the perimeter of the grounds"

This opens up two possibilities:
1. You could open up in the center of a very, very large school.
2. Like @7 said, delivery. I propose pot delivery drones.
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@4 Yup. Plus you only need two thirds for two years. Since it is already going to be a year before we have the rules. We are only really talking a year before it can be fixed with just a majority vote.

The hardest part was getting to this point where we have general agreement in the state that it should be legal. Sorting out the details will not be that big of a deal.
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Potcopters.
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welcome to the eastside, bitches!
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There's quite a large area inside UW that's more than 1,000 feet from it's perimeter. Same with Woodland Park, Greenlake, Discovery Park, and Sand Point.
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dom, weed will be very easy get in seattle. it will still be close by or whatever. the people out in bumfuck i think are gonna need help with 502 density too i think. they have to travel farther with no bus service to speak of. just saying. we can't leave them out. even if each of their stores carry less or whatever. maybe just mini stores or something i haven't figured it out yet.
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There is no 2 year wait period for city zoning. Just state zoning.

That said, a lot of city zoning is due to schools. Most parents don't want MJ stores that close to school. You'll get major push back on that one, even if it's a high school because MJ IS ILLEGAL FOR KIDS (and on state college and university campus grounds).

Why do you think certain bars are located where they are? Distance from schools or colleges. Later on we relaxed it, but when alcohol became legal there weren't bars near schools, they had to be 1 or 2 miles (not feet, MILES) away.

Exception: Medical MJ has different zoning. Cause making sick people hike a few miles is mean. Especially since we don't let them drive stoned.
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@14 still illegal in all state universities and colleges. Including the UW, NSCC, SCCC, and SSCC campus and buildings.

Sorry, that's how it works.
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Given my current lifestyle (a parent, working at a company that drug-tests), I'm unlikely to ever need the services of a pot store. But I voted for this on the expectation it would be more easily available. I suspect most people did.

Delivery is a great idea, though I suppose insurance could be a problem, with the fear that drivers would use the product while on delivery, contrary to state law. I guess that means I'm in favor of pot-bearing drones, particularly if they are programmed to also bring beer.
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@17 I believe you. Probably illegal to sell drugs in our parks too (though I guess I'm not sure about this). I was just going off the language in the inititive.
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As a person who lives in Portland I was really bummed that we didn't pass a similar law down here that was on the ballots to your I-502. But after reading these articles a bit and checking in every couple weeks on developments I'm glad we waited this one out. Our initiative was even more loosely defined than yours so our headaches would have been like triple fold. Thanks for working out the kinks! Looks like an arduous process.
22
And I suspect that little yellow chunk there by the Re-Bar/Orion Center is going to become rife with pot shops next year too...
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@19 depends. Selling drugs, yes.

But the state or county or city could open a kiosk in a state, county, or city park.

Probably not with window service.
25
23rd and Union is an easy 1/2 mile walk from Garfield High School. While that might make those teens happy, I can't see why that's okay and many other locations wouldn't be. This is all very silly.
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@23 I think that WSLCB former stores may be exempted and still be viable for MJ use, but that was in the text, so someone would have to verify that.
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what i was saying before dom is that if the feds are gonna keep an eye on the total amount of ganja the state grows then distro becomes important to hammer out now before the big pharma corporations come in like inslee is already doing. so im saying some more locations in rural wa may be needed, but they would be slicing up the same limited pool of legal state grown weed, so they each would be carrying less, but there would be more of them to cover the total geographic area (and more jobs too as a bonus)

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Huh. Wedgwood.
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HEY YOU GUYS.

Remember when it wasn't even legal to buy in THOSE areas? YOU KNOW, LIKE A FEW MONTHS AGO?

Fucking chill; we're pioneering this shit.
30
I'd look forward to a shop at the 23rd and Union yellow patch that I spy on that map.
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23rd & union? what a coincidence - that's already where i buy my weed.
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Wait, 23rd & E Union is a viable location to open a Cannabis store?

Woo Hoo! Two Block Walk!
33
What happens in Ballard stays in Ballard.
34
I believe you could set up a barge in Elliott Bay for recreational sales ...ferries could even make a quick stop for weed pickups.
35
I can handle going to SoDo once a month. No big whoop.
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Oh. Progressive statists who so love "planning" everyone's land use are boo-hooing because the same bureaucrats who they worship are now "planning" their pot use?

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.
37
Broadview? More like Budview.
38
They need to hurry the fuck up cos the weed I am smoking now pretty much sucks..
39
You're missing the point of I-502.

if you had written the law in any other way, it would never have passed. People are still scared of drugs. The voters who approved 502 did so because heavy handed tactics such as incarceration don't stop drug abuse and only result in destroying the lives of people who would otherwise fit neatly into society. This does not mean that most of them love drug culture, though. They don't.

In fact, 502 was partly written in a way that undermines the more noxious aspects of drug culture. Sketchy street corner dealers who talk like idiots and don't bathe were to be replaced by clean, safe stores. Still, people realize that while the store clerk will be clean-scrubbed and well dressed and polite, some of the customers will still talk like idiots and refuse to bathe. And it's those guys everyone doesn't like. I-502 had to pass as it was written-it had to be safe enough (read: keep the meth heads the fuck away from my kids) to appeal to enough voters to win.

Once pot becomes mainstream, the crusty tweeker people generally associate with pot now will be replaced by the respectable soccer mom who likes to munch on a brownie after dropping off the kids at school in her minivan. Then you will see the laws regarding where pot stores can be placed relaxed.
40
The solution is obvious. Burn down schools, libraries and community centers.
41
The cash situation sounds like a job for bitcoin.
42
Looks like you can open a shop at ... wait for it ... Stone Way.

Seriously, though, this is much ado about nothing. Yes, some neighborhoods will be inconvenienced. Boo Hoo. This won't be Amsterdam. There won't be "coffee shops". Any weed that is bought will be smoked elsewhere. Which means, basically, people will buy weed once a month, more or less. It will be about as convenient as buying liquor was a couple years ago (not very). You might buy in smaller quantities if you live close to a shop, but otherwise, you will probably buy an ounce (or a shade less than an ounce) at a time. It won't be the end of the world. We all live with such inconveniences. If you live in Fremont right now you can walk to five Thai restaurants, but can't get a prescription filled or get hardware without a major schlep. Again, boo hoo.

In a couple years they will probably amend the law so that we will have more convenience and more competition (which is a good thing). Until then, I'm sure we can tough it out.
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arcades? Damn that sucks. :(
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42 is right i read it again and this shit just sounds way over the top. dom please stop all this meinert bullshit, tell him i said to go fuck himself, and straighten up and fly right son. goddamn it.
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Please keep in mind that 1000 feet is about 3 long city blocks, whereas you can buy liquor at Safeway across the street from the YMCA.
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@36 i don't worship bureaucrats, i just fuck them.
47
This is funny! Poor stoners!
48
What about getting the zoning laws changed for all those blocks of "single-family" houses?
49
ha ha ha.....
50
This map shows that marijuana retail storefronts can be sold in most every major retail corridor in the city. I don't understand what the problem is. Just because it's not illegal in a large swath of unoccupied land doesn't mean anything about the other area. All of Northgate is in. All of Downtown, Belltown, Cascades is in. Broadway is in. 15th Ave E is in. Fremont is in. 45th is in. What more do you really want?
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I thought the yellow zone was actually 23rd and MLK, not 23rd and Union. Not the best location either way.

I'd love to see a pot store as the anchor for a little dining-and-night-life district at 23rd and Union, or MLK, either one; but unless we can really change perceptions of pot, I don't see "proximity to pot store" as something that's going to encourage development on those vacant lots.

The one benefit that I've argued comes from putting liquor in grocery stores has been integrating folks buying liquor with people going about their other daily business. Making buying liquor a normal thing, rather than a vaguely shady thing, puts subtle societal pressure on people buying liquor to act like normal people. If we ghettoize pot, then we keep the perception of buying pot as shady, and it will continue to attract people who like acting shady and repel those who don't; and concentrations of shady people snowball into shady behavior. Which will scare off both the developers and the normal, non-shady folks who currently patronize Med Mix, for example.
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Relax, Dominic--after Iran successfully locates pot stores near their schools, Washingtonians will see the light and loosen up here, too:
http://dailycurrant.com/2012/12/14/iran-…
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@50) I think you're looking at the blue parts of the map. Those are strictly for medical marijuana. The yellow zones are the only locations allowing retail outlets for adult recreational pot, per I-502, and those are few and far between, mostly industrial land.
54
Get ready for the Sodo marijuana ghetto! Not that I'm complaining. I agree with whoever said it earlier: I can deal with getting down to Sodo once a month for my marijuana needs.

Also: What is this business of 'individual collective gardens'?
55
I wonder what will happen when the "dispensaries" start undercutting the state's prices.
56
Where I live at the moment, the easiest way to get my medical mjj is by delivery. Otherwise I'd have to drive 30 minutes both ways to get to a walk-in dispensary. So get a diesel car, fill up with cooking oil and head out for the days deliveries.
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@1: Apparently they're/you're still stupid. It's not a great law. It's the law that (unlike your attempts) was able to pass.
58
A modest proposal: Make the cops sell weed.
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@39: if you had written the law in any other way, it would never have passed.

That was the thinking when this initiative was written, and it wasn't unreasonable. However, the huge margin by which I-502 ultimately passed suggests this reasoning was overly pessimistic. It certainly would have passed without the zero tolerance clause for teen drivers - i.e., automatic DUI for trace levels of active THC.
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wahhh, poor Cap Hill. Lake Shitty will become Pot City by this map -- works for me.
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@59: "It certainly would have passed without the zero tolerance clause for teen drivers - i.e., automatic DUI for trace levels of active THC."

Why would teens have different standards for pot than they do alcohol?
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More business for me!
63
There's a reason why we Fremonsters call it Stoned Way.
64
Wow, how can anyone be mad at this bill? It was illegal to buy weed before, bill passes, illegal avenues to buy weed still exist. How can any part of the bill effect you if you just bypass it? Why are so many complaining on a hypothetical problem?
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Given how far people have shown they are willing to drive to save a few bucks on booze, thanks to the Costco Ripoff, I think people who want weed won't mind trading convenience for savings.
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Regret supporting this dumb law Dom? Can't you see this I-502 is the Marihuana Tax Act of 2012? Maybe you'll start to figure it out as this stuff is revealed about the implementation (or lack of) the retail market.
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so where can i get bud as of today?
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Now its almost the end of october. A pot grower can't find a zoned place to grow, to buy or lease. and yes there a lot of people in government trying to screw it up. NOTICE THE YELLOW ON THE MAP, IT'S BY THE FERRY, TRAVEL BOATS AND EVEN SEA TAC. Who said EXPORT. The state wants the producer taxes and will look the other way as travelers take it out of the state. By I-5 quick get away right. If you got a pot store 1,000 feet from the ferry's and cruse lines (if you could avoid all the other no no's) you could make a whole lot of money. That's what it is to the state not user friendly.
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